Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Spicey McHaggis]

what exceptions? if i recall correctly, only germans and austrians and their collaborators were tried at nurembers. likewise at the american trials in japan, only japanese and their collaborators were tried.

We executed several soldiers for rape and murder during the war. We didn't really have a post war trial for them, just on the spot court martials.

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[The best and greatest]

Ukraine should have just recognized their independence bro./sneed

Tbh they probably should have.

 

[IamnottheNSA]

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Russia's secondary mission of genociding all journalists operating in Ukraine seems to be progressing nicely.

kinda blessed ngl

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I still can't believe we ended up in the timeline when Sinfest became based.

 

[The Man With No Name]

And now there's this

https://nypost.com/2022/03/26/hunter-biden-played-role-in-funding-us-bio-labs-contractor-in-ukraine-e-mails/

So not only was the presidents son being paid oodles of money as bribes but he helped fundraise money for a defense contractor(not actual USA fed scientists) to "analyize killer viruses and bioweapons.

The USA are not the good guys. And I'm not just referring to this current conflict. If you're a burger keep in mind you are not your goverment. Accept it and act accordingly. Idgaf about Russia, or Putin, I can't fault them for taking their preemptive shot at what the US president has now made clear is an existential defensive war for them.


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Big shock, The Feds are fucking horrible ghouls, damn. I wonder if they'd ever Ruby Ridge Waco.

 

[Aidan]

Yeah I noticed that too, the cultures between the two threads being very different, this one having a more diverse spectrum of viewpoints surrounding the war but also more shitflinging between posters generally. I kinda like the idea of having two different happening threads tbh.

One for shitflinging and commenting, and the other devoted to news, developments, and media(pictures vids ect)

I see this thread as the shitflinging and media thread. I exclusively lurk this one autistically because of the media posted in it. The other one is mostly just "Russians bad" which I attribute to them just taking the news at face value which is ironic considering A&N is otherwise almost exclusively journo-hate.

 

[Übertroon]

Still amuses me that "cope cage" is being used in official presentations

You are clearly making a strawman argument here, but anyhow.
The question of "should one side concede and agree to all demands" seems out of the window for now. Aka no instant-win for Ukraine nor a Russian withdrawal.

This means that both sides should be acting, like, you know, they are in a war.

There is no reason to deny civilian evacuations in my opinion, even if it is the "evil ruskis" who are proposing them.
And there is also no reason to leave them as is, expecting Russia to withdraw this instant.
In a war you should act accordingly.

You seem to completely miss the evacuation parts, focusing only on big words such as "surrender" and "withdraw".
We are currently stuck in the middle between those two, so I presume countries should focus on that middle-ground a bit more, no?

How easy do you think negotiating a civilian evacuation in a siege is? There's barely any historical precedence for it as the sides won't agree to terms. For example negotiations for evacuating civilians from Mariupol almost instantly broke down because the Russians demanded authority and opportunity to screen all the civilians and detain any individual they wanted. Nobody wants to agree to an evacuation where you risk being detained because you belong to the wrong political party or you happen to be a veteran of the 2014 conflict.

 

[kuuu]

Some pictures from a reported Ukrainian advance in Sumy oblast, north east of the country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NikEdKNT4CE

This guy reported yesterday that Russian Army left the Sumy oblast to reinforce encirclement at Donbass.
Just saying.

 

[DryRaisin]

How easy do you think negotiating a civilian evacuation in a siege is? There's barely any historical precedence for it as the sides won't agree to terms. For example negotiations for evacuating civilians from Mariupol almost instantly broke down because the Russians demanded authority and opportunity to screen all the civilians and detain any individual they wanted. Nobody wants to agree to an evacuation where you risk being detained because you belong to the wrong political party or you happen to be a veteran of the 2014 conflict.

Beats not having any and getting blasted with artillery imo.

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They seem to have agreed on something in the end. Dunno how credible the sources are or how much evacuation will actually be done, but hey, looks like siege evacuations are a thing in the end.

 

[Sammich]

You’re making an anodyne observation about human will that unfortunately comes up against inescapable truths about hierarchy and human socialization.

On the eve of their kamikaze attacks, the uyoku dantai would drink, weep for their mothers, and curse their wretched lot in life, but the next morning they all went to their deaths. Some went out of fear of shame, others out of a sense of duty, but they all went. The “choice” is not really there for most soldiers.

You’ve never had to face that situation. You probably never will either. Torture doesn’t advance the war effort. Torturing young men for being put in an awful situation that pitted them against you after they’ve already been neutralized is twisted. Cheering it on from the sidelines is pathetic and makes you look like a mean-spirited little sperg.

Dead on, and much more eloquent that I could be. Those kamikaze pilots had a sort of honor that most cannot imagine, a lot of folks just can't fathom that sort of duty.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Dead on, and much more eloquent that I could be. Those kamikaze pilots had a sort of honor that most cannot imagine, a lot of folks just can't fathom that sort of duty.

There's not really any system left that really drives home that level of duty from birth anymore. I mean sure we have fanatics and all, but still, imperial Japan was a whole different level from that.

 

[St.Davis]

Withdrawing also ends the conflict, only with less deaths.

So does surrendering, neither of these things are happening any time soon. I'm not seeing how that excuses the Ukrainian government/military from apparently deliberately trying to get civilians killed. I genuinely do not understand why you want to just ignore that part. The Russians invading your country doesn't mean that painting targets on civilians is justified, quite the opposite; the Ukrainians are ostensibly fighting an "existential war" to prevent their people being [Insert whatever the Russians are supposed to be doing to them here]. How does getting them liquefied prevent that?

nigga, are you for real? Some of us came here to shitpost. Stop hanging all this spiritual baggage on others. It is pure projection, saint. Scoop your own advice.

Sure, but there's a difference between funny shitposting (I.E @hooboy ) and people just salivating over corpses.

[britfag spotted through spelling of behavior]

This isnt secret information.

what exceptions? if i recall correctly, only germans and austrians and their collaborators were tried at nurembers. likewise at the american trials in japan, only japanese and their collaborators were tried.

I don't know, but because I don't know for sure if any Allied personnel were tried for warcrimes in or around Nuremberg I don't want to definitively say that they were not. It's in the interest of intellectual honesty.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

So does surrendering, neither of these things are happening any time soon. I'm not seeing how that excuses the Ukrainian government/military from apparently deliberately trying to get civilians killed. I genuinely do not understand why you want to just ignore that part. The Russians invading your country doesn't mean that painting targets on civilians is justified, quite the opposite; the Ukrainians are ostensibly fighting an "existential war" to prevent their people being [Insert whatever the Russians are supposed to be doing to them here]. How does getting them liquefied prevent that?



Sure, but there's a difference between funny shitposting (I.E @hooboy ) and people just salivating over corpses.



This isnt secret information.



I don't know, but because I don't know for sure if any Allied personnel were tried for warcrimes in or around Nuremberg I don't want to definitively say that they were not. It's in the interest of intellectual honesty.

Surrendering means the establishment of a puppet regime that will certainly be opposed and attacked, forcing Russia to occupy to keep things “stable” and trigger an insurgency that will kill even more people.

 

[Simpadoo]

They seem to be keeping the COVID stuff on maintenance, so if this all somehow wraps up soon, and another crisis cannot be created, it, there can be variants forever, although only the old and the stupid give it heed.

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Dunno if posted. Doesn't matter. Lord Nool has insulated me from being hit by clocks here.

Some pictures from a reported Ukrainian advance in Sumy oblast, north east of the country. The map showing the area clear isn't too large, but whatever helps a bit towards getting that Commie manlet* out is good. Russia leads the world in HIV and abortion, both of which are marks of despair, the former being a downstream effect of drug abuse, and the economy is overly dependent on exporting unprocessed resources like its high cost oil which is so vulnerable to OPEC or US price fuckery, plus gas which the Germans still buy. It is a source of important goods like nitrogen fertiliser, but that and some other things, are nowhere near enough to raise living standards in a secure way that families form, stay and have children.

*Communism is the same as Christianity according to Putin (interesting blocked everywhere in Europe on Bitchute for Holocaust denial, which is weird, the Russian Pres is talking calmly enough, but I think Bitchute simp for Putin, like they simp for alleged date raper Ethan Ralph, and it just shows that the le based Putin idea is a nonsense. Putin is philo-semitic, leaving aside the unclear or weak evidence that he is possibly Jewish by descent.)

Still I give this this more credibility than the supposedly 'special forces' Kadyrovtsy firing into ruins in Mariupol. If some Avozite or the 36th Naval Infantry Brigade started firing back, or even some babushka with a shotgun, they'd retreat and order a detachment of Russian soldiers to the front or face a whipping.

Yeah they're usually pretty good at the finer details. They probably pushed all Russians back within a 70km radius around Kiyv in an epic push and the Russians abandoned all their gear and shot themselves in the leg to avoid fighting.


Sounds too great a distance. If a zero was shaved off, it would be match what seems to be incremental Ukie advances on a few fronts. Journos are lazy scum who cog off each other, news at 11.

I dunno, the SEALS lost their jab lawsuit appeal and the turnip is not dropping it, in spite of all the servicemen harmed by it, so it is definitely something they intend to resurrect.

 

[Aidan]

How easy do you think negotiating a civilian evacuation in a siege is? There's barely any historical precedence for it as the sides won't agree to terms. For example negotiations for evacuating civilians from Mariupol almost instantly broke down because the Russians demanded authority and opportunity to screen all the civilians and detain any individual they wanted. Nobody wants to agree to an evacuation where you risk being detained because you belong to the wrong political party or you happen to be a veteran of the 2014 conflict.

No precedence? It was used all the time in Syria to the point Wikipedia even mentions it specifically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_corridor

Read any article about the "Russian cauldrons" or "Russian humanitarian corridors" in Syria and they will say it's a thing. Mariupol is the exception to the Russian rule which is also mentioned funnily enough on that same wiki page.

Siege of Mariupol March 2022, shut down twice by attacks

Beats not having any and getting blasted with artillery imo.

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They seem to have agreed on something in the end. Dunno how credible the sources are or how much evacuation will actually be done, but hey, looks like siege evacuations are a thing in the end.

inb4 they claim Russia shelled it again.
I think the issue is Russia uses these humanitarian corridors to herd people where they want, and in this case they want them to go to Russia from what I've read. Ukraine obviously doesn't want that.
So I can see if Russians see them not abiding by the prescribed corridor they resume the shelling or I can see Ukraine officials being upset with this and not letting people leave then lying about Russians shelling to hopefully get more support. They've been asking for support in Mariupol for nearly a month now.

 

[St.Davis]

Surrendering means the establishment of a puppet regime that will certainly be opposed and attacked, forcing Russia to occupy to keep things “stable” and trigger an insurgency that will kill even more people.

And Russia withdrawing means that The Ukraine will keep on shelling the Donbass region, and/or keeping Crimea dry.

This is all secondary to the main point regarding civilians though. The theoretical post-war situation really isnt relevant to the idea that maybe The Ukraine should try and move civilians out of an area before they start using it as a festung.

 

[DryRaisin]

Surrendering means the establishment of a puppet regime that will certainly be opposed and attacked, forcing Russia to occupy to keep things “stable” and trigger an insurgency that will kill even more people.

I mean, all-out war seem far more bloody than any insurgency I've heard of. It usually doesn't involve shelling entire cities ( maybe small towns and not to such an extent, thats for sure).

 

[cistendered]

Surrendering means the establishment of a puppet regime that will certainly be opposed and attacked, forcing Russia to occupy to keep things “stable” and trigger an insurgency that will kill even more people.

Ukrainian soldiers in Mariupol surrendering because their situation is hopeless does not mean that the Zelenskyiy government is deposed. It just means that fewer civilians will be put in harms way and fewer buildings will be destroyed. If Azov battalion and the AFU regiment that was stationed there actually cared about the people and the city of Mariupol they would have surrendered 2 weeks ago.

 

[Mukhrani]

Withdrawing also ends the conflict, only with less deaths.

To view it this way is just retarded. When you're negotiating a ceasefire or planning to maneuver your opponent into one, you have to take their point of view into account. To not do so is literally insane, and it astounds me that people can't grasp what should be a pretty elemental concept. Russia invaded to accomplish certain goals. The Ukrainians at the time wished that they wouldn't invade, and they now wish that the Russians would go home, but what Ukraine or 'the West' thinks doesn't really enter into the Russian calculus unless it has a real impact - NATO getting involved directly. If it did, this war wouldn't be happening. The Russians aren't going to withdraw until they've accomplished what they want (they've already decided that the losses that they will incur are worth it, and have already invested too much into the invasion to call it wash), and the West isn't going to do much, aside from fattening up their arms contractors by flooding Ukraine with weapons and slapping a bunch of sanctions on Russia. So just having Putin randomly turn his tail and withdraw without concessions isn't even an option that's on the table right now. Any restraint that the Russians are demonstrating right now isn't being done out of the goodness of their hearts, but because a negotiated peace is less costly for both parties. If that possibility isn't on the horizon then the war will just get much more brutal, and NATO still won't get directly involved.

 

[kuuu]

Now this is much better than copypasted "Слава Россие"(Glory to Russia) or "Ахмат Сила"(Akhmat Strong).
"Слава Украине в составе России" - Glory to Ukraine as part of Russia. It rhymes in Russian.

And yes, there was a verbal threat that they'll get beat up if they don't comply.