Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Spicey McHaggis]

It worked out fine as long as they kept them ruthlessly under the yoke; Muslims understand and respect strength. The Soviet failure in Afghanistan was due to trying to win the hearts and minds of Pashtun tribesmen, rather than simply exterminating them.

They absolutely did engage in ruthlessly brutal conduct over there. It still didn't work.

 

[Shittus Maximus]

For sure, but it doesn't need to be a major handicap if they're used correctly (i.e. don't do what Russia did in its initial invasion).

Western military dominance is based on relatively small numbers of technologically sophisticated weapons platforms, sometimes so technologically sophisticated and therefore expensive the production run ends prematurely (F-22) or there's serious doubts about the sustainment budget and the affordability of giving pilots adequate flying hours to stay sharp (F-35). The Chinks don't need to have the best planes, tanks and ships in the world, they just need to be close enough to be competitive and have enough of them to absorb attrition. They're getting there, especially in naval and missile forces.

So, pretty sure the J-20 is inferior in every way to the F-22 and F-35. But can it absolutely ruin your day if you're in an armed conflict with China? Yes. It's not exactly Leon Trotsky's quote about quantity over quality, but if your homies bring a couple of gold-plated, laser-guided baseball bats to the fight and the other guys have forty cheap wooden bats between them, they're probably gonna deliver the beat down.

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The f-22 and f-35 are shitty boondoggles that have most likely hurt our air forces than helped them. The f-22 has been in development for almost 25 years and has several glaring problems they haven't fixed yet. The f-35 continued those troubles by adding VTOL to a shitty build.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Psh, they should have learned it long before that. The soviets had a large Muslim population, and look how well things there worked out....

Muslims were responsible for the Soviet Union breaking down? Huh, there's another one for my "special takes" folder.

 

[Josterman]

Guys, I have a bad feeling about the future.
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The seals are opening

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Since when are they to be expected? Idk, seems like it'd be easier to not torture POWs.

Yes and no. War always brings out the worst in everybody, and after seeing a few of your buddies turned into chunks of meat and burning flesh, it gets very tempting to inflict some retribution on those you perceive as responsible. It only gets worse as time goes on and you've seen more and more brutality. After all, what's a little extra brutality when there's already so much? Doesn't make it right, it's just the way it is.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Guys, I have a bad feeling about the future.
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Might as well post this old classic from the Russian chans today while we at it.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Muslims were responsible for the Soviet Union breaking down? Huh, there's another one for my "special takes" folder.

That's not at all what I said. They did have problems with them throughout the entire existence of the soviet union though. The second they couldn't fully suppress them, the Muslims areas broke out in violence.

 

[UVB-76]

The f-22 and f-35 are shitty boondoggles that have most likely hurt our air forces than helped them. The f-22 has been in development for almost 25 years and has several glaring problems they haven't fixed yet. The f-35 continued those troubles by adding VTOL to a shitty build.

The F-22 production run ended almost a decade ago.
Only the B variant of the F-35 has STOVL capabilities.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

it’s generally accepted that The Afghan War’s failure is responsible for the USSR’s breakdown yeah.

That was a part of it, but only one part. There was a lot more to it.

 

[Retink]

“famine” should be an Asian or African tbh, most of the West are food exporters.

fortunately, there’s a new miracle food known as the “banan” everyone rejoice!
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world hunger is solved!

Biden did promise to disseminate food shortages, so it being an old white guy who looks retarded is rather apt.

Is it just me or is ChimPutin starting to make Putin look better as opposed to insulting him?

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

That's not at all what I said. They did have problems with them throughout the entire existence of the soviet union though. The second they couldn't fully suppress them, the Muslims areas broke out in violence.

Yeah that wasn't exclusive to Muslim areas. Even the fucking Buddhists got in on the action.

it’s generally accepted that The Afghan War’s failure is a major factor in the USSR’s breakdown yeah.

Accepted by brainlets, yes. The USSR was on death's doorstep by the mid-70s.

 

[White_N]

The seals are opening

And you don't have a fish to feed them.

 

[Derka Derka]

it’s generally accepted that The Afghan War’s failure is a major factor in the USSR’s breakdown yeah.

Hmmm ... doesn't this mean the U.S. will follow suit.

 

[Retink]

Might as well post this old classic from the Russian chans today while we at it.

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Conquest isn't as cool as Pestilence though, and confuses people as he's too similar to War.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

They absolutely did engage in ruthlessly brutal conduct over there. It still didn't work.

I never said they didn't engage in it. They simply didn't do enough of it, and they wasted a lot of resources trying to educate the sons of the Pashtuns into being good Communists.

 

[Fougaro]

That was a part of it, but only one part. There was a lot more to it.

To keep a long story reasonably short: The Soviets made similarly retarded decisions like the Americans decades later, had piss poor planning, no answer to the hit-and-run tactics by the Mujahideen, misunderstood the culture of the local Afghan tribes and many other things.

They tried tried at some point appearing "less alien" to the Afghans by sending more soldiers from the Muslim SSRs, in particular Uzbeks and Tajiks. It backfired. Horribly.

 

[Hell on Earth]

The righteousness of a conflict cannot be determined solely by the number of casualties (or a lack thereof) that a population has endured. And while yes, ethnicity is a large component of the Tigray War, it's ultimately Tigray's single-minded perseverance against its much more nefarious Ethiopian oppressors that makes their war "nobler" than Ukraine's own struggle.

There's of-course humane elements in every conflict, but some conflicts are fought for better causes and with more promising results. Few would dare claim that Hitler waged war for the good of humanity, for example.

Tigray isn't innocent in all of this.

They were the rulers of Ethiopia until recently and then they wanted to be de facto independent because they weren't the bosses anymore. It's true that the Abbyi gov shouldn't have invaded Tigray

However, the Tigrayans also tried to depose the Ethiopian goverment in an offensive towards Addis Ababa. As I said this war is more nuanced than what meets the eye.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

To keep a long story reasonably short: The Soviets made similarly retarded decisions like the Americans decades later, had piss poor planning, no answer to the hit-and-run tactics by the Mujahideen, misunderstood the culture of the local Afghan tribes and many other things.

They tried tried at some point appearing "less alien" to the Afghans by sending more soldiers from the Muslim SSRs, in particular Uzbeks and Tajiks. It backfired. Horribly.

I was specifically referring to the collapse of the soviet union with my post, but that's a good summary of the soviet fuck up in goatfuckistan. Non tribal societies just can't enact any permanent change on tribal societies.

 

[Meat Target]

Where's those chemical attacks I was promised?

 

[No. 7 cat]

It worked out fine as long as they kept them ruthlessly under the yoke; Muslims understand and respect strength. The Soviet failure in Afghanistan was due to trying to win the hearts and minds of Pashtun tribesmen, rather than simply exterminating them.

The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan survived Soviet withdrawal with just some Soviet aid and after the Soviet aid lasted lasted for rather longer than the US replacement did without US troops (that's a bit pointless comparison, for that was barely weeks, while the old Soviet supported state clung on for a year when aid had ceased, and a good years after withdrawal). These Russian troops don't seem to remotely compare to the Afghansty. The initial Soviet clockwork intervention was a model that Putin can only dream about emulating. Najibullah had managed to work out a quite effective modus operandi and were it not for Boris Yeltsin cutting off aid, we wouldn't be talking failure, but a state aspiring to civilization surviving in the midst of barbarism.