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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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The only bombs NJBear is dropping are deuces after a gallon of prune juice.
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Apparently, mofos on /pol/ are pumping out videos of the supposed mistreatment of Russian POW's by Ukrainians, but it's actually from Russian/Chechen war
Just something I've read, not sure how true that is.
Showed the kneecapping video to my friend from Ukraine, he also found it suspect that they speak clear Russian throughout the whole thing, and swear a lot as they do. Lack of insignia on some uniforms as well as fabric armbands on one hand instead of blue tape on both as Ukrainians tend to do (at least one had none whatsoever). Some sus radio talk and callsigns, but it's hard to discern due to noise.
 
Sean Penn couldn't resist to post his grain of salt about Ukraine from what I saw on that article.


Btw, I have a feeling then the Oscars ratings will be more lower than last year.
Sean Penn is such a huge fucking drama queen. I think he even went off on Trey Parker once for his portrayal in Team America: World Police...and then ended up doing the "Iraq was once a country of sunshine and rainbows before the US came" without a hint of irony.
 
Yeah, Zelensky is absolutely not some kind of saint. While Ukraine is in the right here to defend their home and Zelensky deserves SOME praise for staying behind in Ukraine and not immediately fucking off to Germany or Israel, I remember there was a political scandal about Zelensky and Poroshenko that got completely buried by this war. It's one of the reasons why even if Ukraine does completely win this, I don't think they are going to be able to unfuck themselves even with NATO and EU money.
 
True. Them giving up their nukes was their worst mistake.
Those nukes were worthless to Ukraine:

1. They didn't have the money or resources to maintain a stockpile that big.
2. They didn't even have the launch codes for them; the Russians did.

That's why Ukraine agreed to give them up, in exchange for guarantees of their sovereignty by the U.S. and Russia. Ukraine's mistake is that that agreement was not a treaty voted on by congress, thus the U.S. was not legally obligated by it to come to Ukraine's aid in the event of a violation of their territory. If that had been the case, the initial invasion of Crimea would never have happened, let alone the later invasion by Russia.
 
even if Ukraine does completely win this, I don't think they are going to be able to unfuck themselves even with NATO and EU money.
Ukrainians proved themselves brave and strongwilled, I'm sure they'll restore their country. They managed to step against Russian puppet as a president and didn't run when the war started.
It's a shame they have to go through this.
 
It's literally the third sentence in the Geneva Convention on the treatment of POWs:

In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peacetime, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.
Yes, and? The Russians have already demonstrated their unwillingness to adhere to said Conventions, and generally speaking when one side is in blatant violation of an agreement its considered non-binding on the other party. Both the deliberate shelling of civilians and their forced deportation are massive violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

EDIT: Not to say that they've been completely thrown out, but unless the Ukrainians just start ordering war crimes en masse smaller stuff like this will probably be swept under the rug so long as Ukraine looks like they're at least trying to adhere to the spirit of things, if not the letter.
 
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$35 million is chump change. Big corporations can throw around billions of dollars as if they're tossing around popcorn.

Apparently, mofos on /pol/ are pumping out videos of the supposed mistreatment of Russian POW's by Ukrainians, but it's actually from Russian/Chechen war
Just something I've read, not sure how true that is.
Showed the kneecapping video to my friend from Ukraine, he also found it suspect that they speak clear Russian throughout the whole thing, and swear a lot as they do. Lack of insignia on some uniforms as well as fabric armbands on one hand instead of blue tape on both as Ukrainians tend to do (at least one had none whatsoever). Some sus radio talk and callsigns, but it's hard to discern due to noise.
It seems plausible, after all. If nations and media corporations are capable of pumping out fake news to support their side, what's to stop online trolls from doing the same thing? Especially ones simping for a dictator that they see as the last hope for Europe?

Yes, and? The Russians have already demonstrated their unwillingness to adhere to said Conventions, and generally speaking when one side is in blatant violation of an agreement its considered non-binding on the other party. Both the deliberate shelling of civilians and their forced deportation are massive violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Again, this goes to show how hypocritical these shills are. When Russian bombs land on civilian targets, it's NATO's fault. When Ukrainians fight back and cause misery to their invaders, it's Ukraine's fault. They have to blame everyone else but their big daddy Putin and his army of sex slaves and punching bags. They have to keep up the fight against "GLOBOHOMO", even though the side they're shilling for conscripts Russian men into an army where they get sexually abused and tortured.
 
You know, I just remembered something because I was talking about Russian propaganda with someone else (and how necrophiliac and Warhammer-like they are). Back in Syria, a deserter from Assad's forces was caught by the Wagner. He was then proceeded to be tortured with hammer and saw, and had his head cut off. There are pictures of it as well

I know Wagner is mercenaries, but considering how close they are to Kremlin, and how integral they are to the current Russian forces in Ukraine, it should be an interesting thing to know when you think about POWs treatment in this war
 
Yes, and? The Russians have already demonstrated their unwillingness to adhere to said Conventions, and generally speaking when one side is in blatant violation of an agreement its considered non-binding on the other party.
No, you don't get a free pass to commit war crimes just because you have alleged someone else has committed a war crime. International humanitarian law doesn't work that way. If you want to torture and murder POWs, you first have to denounce the Convention (two or three by my count), and that doesn't take effect for one year or until the conflict ends. And then Ukraine would have to rewrite their IHL manual, which forbids maltreatment of prisoners--I imagine this has the status of a general order and a violation is a criminal act, but I'm not going to dig too deeply into it. Then you'd have to convince the rest of the world customary international law doesn't exist, or it doesn't include humane treatment of POWs. No one is going to buy that.
 
No, you don't get a free pass to commit war crimes just because you have alleged someone else has committed a war crime. International humanitarian law doesn't work that way. If you want to torture and murder POWs, you first have to denounce the Convention (two or three by my count), and that doesn't take effect for one year or until the conflict ends. And then Ukraine would have to rewrite their IHL manual, which forbids maltreatment of prisoners--I imagine this has the status of a general order and a violation is a criminal act, but I'm not going to dig too deeply into it. Then you'd have to convince the rest of the world customary international law doesn't exist, or it doesn't include humane treatment of POWs. No one is going to buy that.
That's a lot of words that have little resemblance to reality. The world will look at what Russia did to Ukrainian civilians and decide that maybe a few artillerymen getting shot in the legs a few times, tourniqueted, and then left for their own side to find really isn't that big of an issue.
 
No, you don't get a free pass to commit war crimes just because you have alleged someone else has committed a war crime. International humanitarian law doesn't work that way. If you want to torture and murder POWs, you first have to denounce the Convention (two or three by my count), and that doesn't take effect for one year or until the conflict ends. And then Ukraine would have to rewrite their IHL manual, which forbids maltreatment of prisoners--I imagine this has the status of a general order and a violation is a criminal act, but I'm not going to dig too deeply into it. Then you'd have to convince the rest of the world customary international law doesn't exist, or it doesn't include humane treatment of POWs. No one is going to buy that.

Note how you don't even accept the fact that Russia committed war crimes, yet you cry a river over some civvie-killing artillerymen getting the mafia treatment. That's some really epic double-standards, man. Bombing innocent women and children is only an "alleged" warcrime that isn't even as bad as blowing out someone's kneecaps?

Give me a fucking break.
 
Then you'd have to convince the rest of the world customary international law doesn't exist, or it doesn't include humane treatment of POWs. No one is going to buy that.
International laws do nothing because no one can really enforce them. With international laws on asylum you're supposed to claim it in the first safe country you enter, yet you get loads of NGOs and people ignoring that because they find it inconvenient to drop their pets in a country they don't consider the best of the best. How often do those NGOs get prosecuted for violating international law? Never, because no one gives a shit about enforcing these imaginary laws.

The Geneva conventions on their own are mostly a way for people losing wars to cry about how it wasn't a fair loss because the other side broke the rules. We've had people in this thread whining that those poor Russians shelling civilians need to be treated more kindly by those dastardly Ukrainians selfishly wanting to defend their homes/neighbors, which looks mentally ill. I do not believe for a second that most of those crying this Russian getting shot in the leg were going to make half as much over Ukrainians being kidnapped and sent off to camps in Russia where they're sent off to other places deep in there. Because there is a double standard at play which is very easy for anyone with half a brain to see.

Most of those complaining about Ukraine's "war crimes" do not give a shit about "war crimes" and people can trot out one example after another of Russia being 10x worse yet this isn't causing the anti-Ukraine people to turn around and demand consequences for Russia in any way shape or form, because they don't give a shit about war crimes. I'm sure there will be people that will cry and say they're neutral and just calling out wrongs where they see them, yet for obvious reasons they shut the fuck up when it comes to Russia's wrongs.

There is going to be no convincing of anyone on this topic and all it will do is shit up the thread even more than it already has been because it'll just be a back and forth for ages where those wanting to slobber all over Putin's cock whine about why Russia must be the real victim while others point out the evil shit Russia has been up to.
 
Some vlog from a Ukrainian soldier, among notable things is strong wind that prevents shelling and allows them to push back Russians, as well as captured WWII Nazi uniform among Russian stuff for some reason (probably to claim that it belongs to Ukrainians in some staged shit, dunno)

Here he tells the story about Chernobayevka where Russians kept coming back repeatedly to the base after Ukrainian artillery shelled it, for some inexplicable reason, it's hilarious. I found out about it from the post in this thread few pages back first, didn't hear about it otherwise and it sure as hell deserves attention

LMAO he says Russians are digging trenches in radioactive soil of Chernobyl, that's hilarious if true
 
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"Nooo you can't harm defenseless people! Only Russia can do that!"

How much are you getting paid to post this shit?


Perhaps the saddest part about people shilling for Russia is that I don't even believe most of them are getting paid at all. Why the fuck would Russian state apparatus waste resources on something like the 'farms? These people spreading Russian bullshit are just retarded, spineless shitfaces, living in their moms basement and siding with the Russians in this one because "globohomo BAAADDDD!". Sad, so SAD.
 
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