General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Avokado]

Some update on Mikeneko's activity

https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/tj72ek/comment/i2awk6s

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I'm pretty sure we have talked about Kson x Mikeneko potential collab, but has someone posted the clip?
Just in case:

 

[kukkia]

The discussion on Quality is something I don't have to address as you already touched on it but Quantity is a genuine problem Nijisanji has and I wished they would slow down for at least a year. Main issue with Niji's shotgun approach of spamming waves is that it's guaranteed to leave tens of livers in the dust as the debuts burry their coworkers into obscurity unless they somehow get lucky and blow up in popularity. The smallest viewed Hololive Channels at least get a year or a little over half a year to cultivate some form of loyal audience but theirs a lot of unfortunate cases in Niji JP and ID where livers get buried into the 2view shadow realm.

Niji JP slowed down by 2020. They had one wave all of last year. They've only had one this year so far, and a small one - 3 members - at that. ID also slowed down to a halt, lol. Having too frequent waves is not their issue.

EN is like JP 2018-2019, albeit to a far lesser degree, with the frequent waves. That being said it hasn't really hurt their numbers so far, with the best months for many of their livers being more recent. And now we won't have a new wave until the mid-late summer, most likely.

Niji IN and Niji KR......

Fair, I should have said "any." IN and KR got screwed over, as I've talked about here many times. My point more is that if their policy was to not give a fuck about talents, then clearly they've abandoned that policy as the more recent waves - Eden, Ranunculus, and all of EN - have had more money spent on them.

It's not so much only "a few are relevant" and more so a few only got discovered internationally. Since the whole purpose of their strategy is to have someone streaming at any time of the day (barring you know the language if you're not JP ofc lol) but they all seem to have their own little comfy fan base with some actually breaking out. I don't think Niji has any outright failures so to speak, but I haven't watched the CN branch in awhile, so I'm not sure how they've been doing comparatively.

VR (the China branch) inclined in 2021, I haven't really checked how 2022 has been for them. They also have a fair amount of drama and whatnot though. VR is not managed by Anycolor, it's more or less a Bilibili project with Niji tech and branding, which is why they are usually left out of these discussions. The branch is likely majority owned by Bilibili and has its own projects - VR Link and VR Stars - that are unaffiliated with Nijisanji.

 

[Defnot0]

Something about Haachama NTRing her, and not appearing on Matsuri and 2nd gen lives. I just realized I actually forgot the details as well

If I remember right, it was over birthday appearances. Told Matsuri she couldn't join her for the 3d live due to school (?) but was in Rushia's birthday 3d live during supposed busy time.

Now that Rushia is gone, Matsuri can now proceed to being ntr'd by Miko/Koyori/Everyone else.

 

[DALKurumiTokisaki]

Fair, I should have said "any." IN and KR got screwed over, as I've talked about here many times. My point more is that if their policy was to not give a fuck about talents, then clearly they've abandoned that policy as the more recent waves - Eden, Ranunculus, and all of EN - have had more money spent on them.

What happened to IN admittedly left a really bad taste in my mouth and KR is relatively recent tbh. KR was a case of them being too hands off and not providing support while IN was them not supporting and having no idea what even do with the branch.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

Froot had a lukewarm as hell anime take but the people sperging about it both there and the quote tweets are funny https://twitter.com/LichVtuber/status/1507803354528985094 (https://archive.ph/ctbnI)

Spoiler: assorted quote tweets

 

[Rratcatcher]

Froot had a lukewarm as hell anime take but the people sperging about it both there and the quote tweets are funny https://twitter.com/LichVtuber/status/1507803354528985094 (https://archive.ph/ctbnI)

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Not only is that a shit take on the series, but holy shit those replies are gold.

 

[Renmai]

The YT Algorithm is going it's thing and now thinks I want advice on passing vtuber auditions from someone who runs a small JP vtuber agency (NeoPorte). Some interesting info that can apply to job interviews in general I think.

tl;dr from the video description:

summarized tips Don't just talk the talk. Put your money where your mouth is and provide evidence of your strengths/skills/talents in your application.

If you have no experience, increase your chances of passing the first round by making a fantastic, mind-blowing audition video.

Even if you have no track record of streaming or content creation, make a channel and create videos (unlisted even) to demonstrate your skills to include in your application, which is separate from your audition video.

Start your audition video with a bang. Aim to be impactful and memorable in the first few seconds and don't start with a boring introduction.

Last tip I'll add that's from me - be creative with your application and video. The instructions (or lack thereof) are written vaguely enough for there to be wriggle room for you to demonstrate your creativity.

notes
merise rebranded as NeoPorte (https://youtu.be/mTyQyMJCrik).

NeoPorte is a new Vtuber agency run by well-known Apex streamer Shibuya Hal, Crazy Racoon and the multi-talented Mafumafu and Soraru. Shirayuki Reid was an independent Vtuber who is now affiliated with NeoPorte.

You can consider the "selling point" section of the application that Shibuya Hal talks about to the "Self PR" section in most other agency applications e.g. NIJISANJI.

 

[Sevatonius]

Full Myth collab is on Gura's channel. That fucking sucks.

 

[GGGG2EZZZZ]

Full Myth collab is on Gura's channel. That fucking sucks.

Why is that a bad thing?

 

[Sevatonius]

Why is that a bad thing?

sitting in a chat with majority chumbuds is always a bad thing.

 

[A Lurking Dumbass]

There are Niji fans who complain about Niji policies, and there are Holo fans who complain about Holo policies.

Not really here to compare both of them. I'm a fan of both.

Them not giving a fuck about talents is pretty patently false,

As the other guy said, my statement may not be entirely true, but it's not entirely false either. Ichikara has seen gold with NijiEN because they know how successful and marketable it is, but at the cost of them not really tending to their much older talents and branches. The merge for ID and KR was a marketing stunt that did fuck all too, so I don't think that counts.

Ultimately I think the issue is people see the end numbers (typically just subscriber count) and work backwards. Niji has lower subscriber counts so clearly they don't care about their vtubers. Using that logic though, one could look at CCV and say that Cover doesn't care about Holostars - something which (as has been discussed here many times) is patently false given the resources they put behind Holostars.

Ichikara gives fuck all about the other talents as far as I've seen. They increased their marketing budget and efforts into their newer members but don't really put any effort bringing up their older talents. Again, the stretching out of fanbases hurts them in the long run--i mean, we've already seeing it with Hololive too.

At least with Holostars, Cover actually bothers to put them in big events such as the last Holofest, and even actively promotes them. I've yet to see Ichikara actually do anything in that similar nature or scale. It's just Cover's core fanbase kinda don't like to stick around with Holostars(some youtuber named Nousagi-something made a similar point about this that I completely agreed with), and that's why they're not that popular, rather than Cover outright not caring about them. I know you're not saying Cover doesn't care about Holostars though, I'm just trying to put up an example.

Which is why I also think that who treats Yagoo/Riku as a "lol friendly meme man" is just falling for obvious marketing.

Well, there's something that's completely agreeable.

This isn't me trying to diss on Ichikara or trying to spark a Cover vs Nijisanji tribalfagging. It's just general criticism for Nijisanji as a whole, one that I personally have an absolute distaste for. I have my own gripes with Cover too, but we'll leave that for the next guy to bring the discussion up.

 

[A Lurking Dumbass]

Why is that a bad thing?

Gura's chat is a cesspool of cringe. She knows that and that's why she limits her activities in social media.

 

[Nonameguy]

Froot had a lukewarm as hell anime take but the people sperging about it both there and the quote tweets are funny https://twitter.com/LichVtuber/status/1507803354528985094 (https://archive.ph/ctbnI)

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I have been out of the vtuber craze for a while and coming back to this site to see that apparently froot cheated on her husband sure is something

 

[A Lurking Dumbass]

Seems counterintuitive when you think that almost nobody can name at least 40% of Nijisanji's entire roster. Take this scenario--If I was a fan of Vox and that he's asleep, then I go see Layla(which I'm not a fan of) being online while Vox isn't, I wouldn't watch Layla--I probably butchered my example, but I think you understand what I mean . I think their strategy is more they're trying to fill out every niche of the VTubing and anime community as much as possible. Which is, to be fair, a good strategy--they just have to find the right talents to actually fulfill it

It's not so much only "a few are relevant" and more so a few only got discovered internationally. Since the whole purpose of their strategy is to have someone streaming at any time of the day (barring you know the language if you're not JP ofc lol) but they all seem to have their own little comfy fan base with some actually breaking out. I don't think Niji has any outright failures so to speak, but I haven't watched the CN branch in awhile, so I'm not sure how they've been doing comparatively

 

[Tor Lugosi]

every chat is cringe and spams the same memes, jokes, and references; Kiara practically had a breakdown over how repetitive 'bottom left' was getting, and Ina had to make a emote specifically for when she wants backseating as an attempt to tard wrangle her chat (and she has one of the better ones)

 

[A Lurking Dumbass]

I have been out of the vtuber craze for a while and coming back to this site to see that apparently froot cheated on her husband sure is something

Damn. I'm surprised Herohei, Rev, and other dumbass Dramatubers haven't picked up on this. Not that I want them to.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

Lest we forget: Cover has graduated thirteen talents (Aloe, Coco, Rushia, Chris, HoloCN, 3 from Holostars)

64 talents are currently active. Even with Hololive's resources, name recognition, and presumably good selection process, they still ended up dropping 1 out of 6 talents approximately.

VTubing is a rather volatile industry in the end. Companies take risks early on, and end up having troubles later. All things considered, Nijisanji is doing fine: Even their "worse off" talents like the Korean branch have 10s of thousands of subs, which are numbers that most indies dream of. There's a reason why people keep applying to them.

TLDR stop Niji doomposting. Gatling gun is not real.

The YT Algorithm is going it's thing and now thinks I want advice on passing vtuber auditions from someone who runs a small JP vtuber agency (NeoPorte). Some interesting info that can apply to job interviews in general I think.

tl;dr from the video description:

provide evidence of your talents
have a good video
have a bunch of video
don't be boring

Not saying much really, this is just standard job interview stuff.

 

[A Lurking Dumbass]

every chat is cringe and spams the same memes, jokes, and references; Kiara practically had a breakdown over how repetitive 'bottom left' was getting, and Ina had to make a emote specifically for when she wants backseating as an attempt to tard wrangle her chat (and she has one of the better ones)

Dunno about you, but Sana and Kuzuha's chat are pretty chill.

 

[Scuttle]

Spoiler: Beeg reply

Quality isn't even the issue here. The issue is that Nijisanji launches talents like a gattling gun without giving any of their talents or fanbase any breathing room to grow.

Literally everyone in NijiEN is performing better than ever. All of them. Even the girls who have been here nearly a year.

JP only releases one wave a year now (it may be more this year thanks to VTA, but they're coming in smaller doses).

There's only a finite number of people watching V-Tubers. Not everyone will do gangbusters, but if they're unhappy with where they're at then they'll probably leave.

The fanbase gets stretched out to a point where the bottom line actually suffers from the lack of views and don't get the attention they should have gotten if only Nijisanji lets them and their fans 'breathe'.

The bottom line isn't suffering, and the fanbase being 'stretched' as you put it isn't a bad thing because the end result is that someone finds the perfect V-Tuber for them, and said V-Tuber gains an audience that wants to see them.

Besides, 'breathing room' isn't as binary as you seem to imply it is. Ollie was given 7 months before Council and 14 months before her direct successors, and yet even now with over 1m subs she averaged the same viewers as Mika in yesterday's collab (and Bobon/Risu averaged about the same as each other too).

I understand your point that more eyes = more potential consistent viewers— and I agree with you — but what doesn't ever seem to get acknowledged is that this 'rapid fire approach' is what put Nijisanji as the undisputed #1 company up until Miko called someone a nigger in E Minor.

Nijisanji JP do not have the western market, nor is the EN side of Nijisanji, which is currently achieving 60K debuts as of Noctyx, unilaterally interested in all things Nijisanji like Hololive fans are. You don't hear them talk about Ranunculus because the community culture of 'Lets support all of the company' does not and can not feasibly exist.

Which brings me to...

The reason why even Nijisanji fans complain about the constant launches is that people actually feel exhausted because they'd have the feel to want to keep up.

NijiEN fans, specifically. There are extremely few NijiEN fans from the first three waves who were not — or still are — Hololive EN fans. Hololive's holistic culture of supporting everyone and strongly encouraging turning up at other branch debuts is all they previously knew, so complaining that the fast rollout of waves makes it difficult to support everyone can be chalked up as teething issues between community cultures.

Neither are good or bad, though it should be said that if Nijisanji's M.O. of firing lots of unique individuals to suck up smaller niches creates an issue of 'spreading' the fans, then Hololive's M.O. of frontloading 100K ccv debuts and 250K subs on their first day creates an issue of dead subs as people 'support' them but never watch. This problem is at its most obvious in ID1 and ID2, but also in JP Gen 1 and Sora/Roboco.

Neither of these approaches are perfect or without long-term consequences.

"tRue nIJiSanJI FanS wIll oNlY sTicK To ThOSe WhO tHEy LikE, TrYiNG to sIMp the EntIRe cOmPanY IS NoT HoW peoPle sHoUlD cOnSume ThEM".

True and real.

Nijisanji is literally more Corpo than Cover Corp in this regard.

Which corporation is more corporate than the other corporation is a plain of tribalfagging I have never seen.

Anyway, if people want to talk raw numbers and who is doing better with sub-to-ccv ratios, then both Hololive and Nijisanji get absolutely shit on by VSPO anyway so who gives a fuck.

 

[Azchan]

I dunno about that. Ame was accepted and the woman can't dance or sing for shit at the start of her debut. HL probably never contacted him again because he had nothing to offer that they wanted. I can see why Niji never bothered too. Who fucking knew being a streamer required someone to be fun and creative rather than being technical?

Ame could probably prove she was entertaining and had the experience. Many of the people that apply are talented but they have little to no online presence or experience and those are probably a hard pass.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/tq144s/an_open_letter_to_cover_corporation_and_hololive/

Funny as the idea of work place Jap on white racism is I doubt this is it. Not for a cash cow like Calli has been. This smells more like Calli really didn't push harder for her dance instructor to do something more

I get it but at the same time its hilarious to sperg out like that. What a fucking retard.

Gura's chat is a cesspool of cringe. She knows that and that's why she limits her activities in social media.

Don't read the chat. Given its Gura, the whole thing goes at 30 comments a second anyways.