General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

Tob/@UnrealGrl (sometimes loud) went on the YT channel Enrico Zenitani's podcast. She is one of my favorite Vtubers and so far I've enjoyed the podcast.
Her Vtuber model is a Skunk-Girl and the "style" is very unique, chaotic, and niche. I like to think of it like if shitposting were a vtuber. If it's the kind of thing you like it's great imo, I certainly understand it's not for everyone. One thing I do want to sperg about is how fun/entertaining she is able to keep it for her fanbase while also seeming to have a very healthy outlook. I like when I'm able to find ones like that. Some clips:

P.S. This podcaster is a very good interviewer, small channel.
 
Relevant in the eyes of people who believe bigger numbers = better quality, mind.
Quality isn't even the issue here. The issue is that Nijisanji launches talents like a gattling gun without giving any of their talents or fanbase any breathing room to grow. The fanbase gets stretched out to a point where the bottom line actually suffers from the lack of views and don't get the attention they should have gotten if only Nijisanji lets them and their fans 'breathe'. The reason why even Nijisanji fans complain about the constant launches is that people actually feel exhausted because they'd have the feel to want to keep up. "tRue nIJiSanJI FanS wIll oNlY sTicK To ThOSe WhO tHEy LikE, TrYiNG to sIMp the EntIRe cOmPanY IS NoT HoW peoPle sHoUlD cOnSume ThEM".

While I agree with that sentiment, that's not the point. The main idea of what I'm trying to say is that Nijisanji gives fuck all about the quality of their roster and just wants to flood their member pool with as many talents as possible without giving a fuck about the talents or the audience. Nijisanji is literally more Corpo than Cover Corp in this regard.

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Slight correction: I can say from professional experience that one way to immediately tell the difference between mainland Chinese and Hongkongese/Taiwanese inhabitants is that the former don't know a lick of English apart from "Hello" and "Made in China".
you forgot Motherfucker and China #1
 
This is quite interesting. I mean, not that Mainland Chinese fans care that they can't understand what NijiEN is saying because they have clippers for that, but it has some implications on what it could mean for future NijiEN members and even Hololive EN's males
Slight correction: I can say from professional experience that one way to immediately tell the difference between mainland Chinese and Hongkongese/Taiwanese inhabitants is that the former don't know a lick of English apart from "Hello" and "Made in China".
 
Gura and Mumei are two retarded peas in an autistic pod. They definitely need to collab more. Also, yeah, I don't find their regular voices very similar at all; do you people have really shitty speakers or something? Mumei's earliest memory being filled with blood makes me think of Dexter. Are we sure her mild mannered retard persona isn't a mask for her serial killing?

sad i missed another episode of "ree, leave calli alone!" by the usual cuck beats
 
Now, this is nostalgic:
I still remember when Matsuri said she didn't want to call her Haachama:
Pandemic days were fun.
I'm glad that Matsuri's menhera ravings resulted in her actually patching things up with 'Haato-chan' (whoever that is) instead of trying to set up some autistic deadman's switch using a dramawhore as the trigger.
GIMME THAT AME!
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Quality isn't even the issue here. The issue is that Nijisanji launches talents like a gattling gun without giving any of their talents or fanbase any breathing room to grow. The fanbase gets stretched out to a point where the bottom line actually suffers from the lack of views and don't get the attention they should have gotten if only Nijisanji lets them and their fans 'breathe'. The reason why even Nijisanji fans complain about the constant launches is that people actually feel exhausted because they'd have the feel to want to keep up. "tRue nIJiSanJI FanS wIll oNlY sTicK To ThOSe WhO tHEy LikE, TrYiNG to sIMp the EntIRe cOmPanY IS NoT HoW peoPle sHoUlD cOnSume ThEM".

While I agree with that sentiment, that's not the point. The main idea of what I'm trying to say is that Nijisanji gives fuck all about the quality of their roster and just wants to flood their member pool with as many talents as possible without giving a fuck about the talents or the audience. Nijisanji is literally more Corpo than Cover Corp in this regard.

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I've lurked in 4chan and this site for almost two years now and I know nothing about this. What was their beef, if you don't mind me asking?
On the second quote:
I will quote from memory what I believe happened, as I am too lazy to look it up again, so I won't have all the details and I will likely get things wrong. Haachama had taken a long break due to being busy with college stuff, and she seemed down on the whole vtuber thing after Coco graduated. Haachama, during this time was asked by Matsuri to participate in some kind of video or event she was putting together. Haachama was autistic and, according to my memory of things, kept ghosting her. However, during this same time period, Rushia had some event that Haachama did participate in, but there was some speculation that Haachama had already recorded her thing for Rushia before her break maybe? Whatever the case is, Matsuri took it personally and started overtly dumping on Haachama on her 2nd/personal account. In the end, they both could've handled things better, but Matsuri made it public which was a worse mistake IMO. They apparently talked things out like adults and they are seemingly on good terms again.

On the first quote:
I don't think you are giving Niji enough credit. You are essentially ascribing actions to them based on almost no data other than their sheer numbers of debuts, and what I assume is a skewed view of quality vs relative success. How can you say they don't care about quality? Can you say with such confidence that they don't think all of their talents provide quality entertainment? What do you define a 'quality' vtuber as having? You're statement is much too vague, where is the specific criticism?
 
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I'm glad that Matsuri's menhera ravings resulted in her actually patching things up with 'Haato-chan' (whoever that is) instead of trying to set up some autistic deadman's switch using a dramawhore as the trigger.
I've lurked in 4chan and this site for almost two years now and I know nothing about this. What was their beef, if you don't mind me asking?
 
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Gura and Mumei are two retarded peas in an autistic pod. They definitely need to collab more. Also, yeah, I don't find their regular voices very similar at all; do you people have really shitty speakers or something? Mumei's earliest memory being filled with blood makes me think of Dexter. Are we sure her mild mannered retard persona isn't a mask for her serial killing?

sad i missed another episode of "ree, leave calli alone!" by the usual cuck beats
Their voices are close enough that all Mumei as to do is microscopicly lower her pitch and add some twang be be a literal clone.

Also drunk Laplus doesn't give a shit.
 
I've lurked in 4chan and this site for almost two years now and I know nothing about this. What was their beef, if you don't mind me asking?
Something about Haachama NTRing her, and not appearing on Matsuri and 2nd gen lives. I just realized I actually forgot the details as well
 
Didn't Gaku blow past everyone for the March SC rankings (unless someone makes a ton of money in the remaining few days)? They don't exactly need rare Ws.
Don't think that's the rare W being referred to. I mean, when's the last time you've seen a corpo Vtuber have a JAV made seemingly for them (different than of them)? It definitely isn't something you see every day. It could also totally be tribalfagging, in which case who cares
 
I've lurked in 4chan and this site for almost two years now and I know nothing about this. What was their beef, if you don't mind me asking?
This is just the quick and easy build up over the years. Matsuri is a handful of emotions and unrequited, repressed love. She's also super handsy, you can imagine how well that flies with Japanese people (a lot find it awkward and themselves uncomfortable.) To boot she's perved (this is not exaggeration) on Haato and her friend Hoshikawa (this is a whole different character arc.)

Next, the current dilemma referenced.
Haato mid-hiatus for college takes the time to show up for a 3D live Rushia was doing, Matsuri had asked her to show up to her event which was before Rushia's. Haato did not, I believe the answer given was she did not receive a message. Matsuri has 4 Twitter accounts, 2 Vtuber and 2 personal. 1 each for menhera posting and ranting. She ran her mouth for a mile on both menhera accounts, but it all seems to have ended for the better.
 
Mumei's earliest memory being filled with blood makes me think of Dexter. Are we sure her mild mannered retard persona isn't a mask for her serial killing?

Mumei is the perfect representation of human civilization. Mankind always goes through the motions of projecting gracious courtesy to one another in general, but savage and violent impulses always lurk just under the mask. Take one look at her infamous artwork and tell me I'm wrong. She's a sugary sweet roll with a razor blade center.

I like her a lot (more than I like humanity, anyways). Cute, but keeps you on your toes.

mumei roll by Ranveld.jpg
 
Relevant in the eyes of people who believe bigger numbers = better quality, mind. Deron isn't exactly one of Nijisanji's giants but she has at least alluded to the fact that she makes really good money. If she is any indication of Niji's middle tier then I'm sure they're happy to sacrifice some /vt/ clout in favour of sitting pretty.

Ibrahim's not in the top 20% for subs and he made like $126,000 for his 3d debut, so yeah, you can be "non-relevant" Niji and still do well.

Quality isn't even the issue here. The issue is that Nijisanji launches talents like a gattling gun without giving any of their talents or fanbase any breathing room to grow. The fanbase gets stretched out to a point where the bottom line actually suffers from the lack of views and don't get the attention they should have gotten if only Nijisanji lets them and their fans 'breathe'. The reason why even Nijisanji fans complain about the constant launches is that people actually feel exhausted because they'd have the feel to want to keep up. "tRue nIJiSanJI FanS wIll oNlY sTicK To ThOSe WhO tHEy LikE, TrYiNG to sIMp the EntIRe cOmPanY IS NoT HoW peoPle sHoUlD cOnSume ThEM".

While I agree with that sentiment, that's not the point. The main idea of what I'm trying to say is that Nijisanji gives fuck all about the quality of their roster and just wants to flood their member pool with as many talents as possible without giving a fuck about the talents or the audience. Nijisanji is literally more Corpo than Cover Corp in this regard.

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There are Niji fans who complain about Niji policies, and there are Holo fans who complain about Holo policies. I have little interest in going down the whole "quantity vs quality" discussion again other than to say that personally I don't mind the numbers of members because it leads to greater variety imo. I personally find Hololive kinda same-y and boring and am glad that not every other company just copies them. Others prefer Hololive - clearly the majority here do, which is fine. If everyone had to like the most successful thing, we'd all be MCU fans.

Them not giving a fuck about talents is pretty patently false, as it's pretty obvious that they are putting more resources into new waves, with debut songs (sometimes by high profile - aka not cheap - composers) and merchandise upon launch becoming the norm. You don't hire MONACA to write a song for people you don't give a fuck about. They also spend quite a lot on 3d and AR. It's just that joining Nijisanji is not a guarantee of getting a full-time salary off of streaming. Nijis who treat it as a full-time gig typically earn enough to do so, and those who don't typically don't.

Ultimately I think the issue is people see the end numbers (typically just subscriber count) and work backwards. Niji has lower subscriber counts so clearly they don't care about their vtubers. Using that logic though, one could look at CCV and say that Cover doesn't care about Holostars - something which (as has been discussed here many times) is patently false given the resources they put behind Holostars.

Anycolor and Cover are both corporations so the whole who is "more corpo" thing is pretty pointless. Neither of them care about you, they both exist to make money. Which is why I also think that who treats Yagoo/Riku as a "lol friendly meme man" is just falling for obvious marketing.
 
It concerns me that I genuinely can't tell if that reddit post is from a real cuckbeat or if it's an elaborate shitpost from someone at /vt/ trying to stir the pot.

In any case I look forward to the next 30 page jump when Calli gets lean'd up and spergs on it.
 
On the first quote:
I don't think you are giving Niji enough credit. You are essentially ascribing actions to them based on almost no data other than their sheer numbers of debuts, and what I assume is a skewed view of quality vs relative success. How can you say they don't care about quality? Can you say with such confidence that they don't think all of their talents provide quality entertainment? What do you define a 'quality' vtuber as having? You're statement is much too vague, where is the specific criticism?
The discussion on Quality is something I don't have to address as you already touched on it but Quantity is a genuine problem Nijisanji has and I wished they would slow down for at least a year. Main issue with Niji's shotgun approach of spamming waves is that it's guaranteed to leave tens of livers in the dust as the debuts burry their coworkers into obscurity unless they somehow get lucky and blow up in popularity. The smallest viewed Hololive Channels at least get a year or a little over half a year to cultivate some form of loyal audience but theirs a lot of unfortunate cases in Niji JP and ID where livers get buried into the 2view shadow realm.

Them not giving a fuck about talents is pretty patently false
Niji IN and Niji KR......
 
Nijisanji cares more about the numbers of their talents rather than the numbers their talents pull up. It's always a hit or miss for them in my opinion. That's why only their top 20% are the only ones that are actually relevant.
It's not so much only "a few are relevant" and more so a few only got discovered internationally. Since the whole purpose of their strategy is to have someone streaming at any time of the day (barring you know the language if you're not JP ofc lol) but they all seem to have their own little comfy fan base with some actually breaking out. I don't think Niji has any outright failures so to speak, but I haven't watched the CN branch in awhile, so I'm not sure how they've been doing comparatively.
 
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