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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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well, you gonna shit bricks finding out that she, Maria Jane Fonda Ovsyanikova, appeared on Italian TV saying that western sanctions hurt Russian children and grandmas, but war in Ukraine is 100% Putin.


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Huh, such a big part of her post is blatant lies.

While I could agree that punishing terminally ill people is a shitty move to do, the aggressive propaganda did it's thing. People got more irritated and succumbed to the us vs. them narrative. Young liberal Russians are still holding their beliefs, thankfully. Last week bunch of students where I live were closed in jail for extremism (probably said something against the war or went to protest). But at the end of the day seems like I was too optimistic and had too much hope in people.

On Ovsyanikova's post:
1. Mastercard and visa cards are working inside of Russia. Virtual cards do have problems now, but honestly, just give your kid cash or whatever.
2. She's talking about lack of sugar, cooking oil and hygiene products in shops. Dumb fucks could solve this problem with not buying tons of products like that. They created this themselves. Some jerks started to buy out every popular sanitary pad packs just to sell it for a price of gold. You can't blame US or EU for bullshit Russians did.
3. Meds. I'm annoyed at the prices like everybody else, but that's mostly logistics problem, since there's an active war going on right now. That's on Putin and his Z-ombies. Russians had medicine problem forever and especially after 2014, when the mr. president himself told how we totally can replace those pesky EU and US meds with our generics. I won't touch them with a longest stick possible. Russian insulin? That shit can kill if you're unlucky enough. Hope our big botex filled boy will take that shit himself.
So that gal is just being manipulative.
 
Those Russian "assault pickups" remind me of one of the rare inventions to come out of Africa - aka the Somalian "technical" that US forces encountered while on a mission to that diseased country back in 1993:

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Those Toyota Technicals go back to the longrunning Libya v Chad war in the 80's
 
Good propaganda piece, but ultimately pointless as it elicited absolutely zero sympathy for Russians beyond what people already had - that those who oppose the war are suffering for the stupid mistakes of Putin.
Propaganda like that honestly works pretty decent for creating the impression that the Russian people are of a completely different mind from Putin's. Seems to often shock people when they hear stories of average Russians being fully in favor of the invasion.

Had similar stories about how sanctions hurt people in Iran and Venezuela, but for some reason you didn't hear a lot of people on the right complaining about the sanctions then yet will complain about the Russian sanctions' effects.
 
Beatific calm here, but the figure is I understand a smidgeon higher and almost wholly related to combat, barring some unavoidable incidents (a chomo deserve the cross). It's piss poor as an RF pretext.
Not sure what you're getting at. To break it down I was snarkily replying to the claim that Russia was shelling areas with civilians. Ukraine did the same. Simple as.
The point being that you can't just ignore Ukraine did much of the same that people are upset with Russia about and the upset is valid except for being one-sided. You could take pictures of Ukrainian shelling from a year ago and pass them off as Russian carnage just fine.

It really seems a lot of people have very strong opinions on Russia's tactics while being ignorant on the Donbas conflict, which I think is intentional by the media. Regardless of any views on the matter, Russia did use it as a justification and so if someone wants to learn about the invasion they should learn a bit about Donbas. Similar to US intervention in areas, it shouldn't come as a surprise that many civilians in that region likely went from indifferent to pro-Russian over the last 8 years. Not that it's Ukraine's fault, per se; it's messy by any metric.
 
Not sure what you're getting at. To break it down I was snarkily replying to the claim that Russia was shelling areas with civilians. Ukraine did the same. Simple as.
The point being that you can't just ignore Ukraine did much of the same that people are upset with Russia about and the upset is valid except for being one-sided. You could take pictures of Ukrainian shelling from a year ago and pass them off as Russian carnage just fine.

It really seems a lot of people have very strong opinions on Russia's tactics while being ignorant on the Donbas conflict, which I think is intentional by the media. Regardless of any views on the matter, Russia did use it as a justification and so if someone wants to learn about the invasion they should learn a bit about Donbas. Similar to US intervention in areas, it shouldn't come as a surprise that many civilians in that region likely went from indifferent to pro-Russian over the last 8 years. Not that it's Ukraine's fault, per se; it's messy by any metric.

And who exactly started the Donbas conflict? Ukraine? Not to mention that again, we've seen Ukrainians treat Russian captives with care, meanwhile, Russia had been shelling civilian areas extensively. Even now. Comparing it to the Donbas war doesn't absolve Russia; it makes them even worse, since they've shown themselves to be no better than the Ukrainians, except they treat their own men like disposable cogs, whereas Ukraine has been shown to take care of Russian deserters and captives.
 
And who exactly started the Donbas conflict? Ukraine?
I never made any implication, it's such a messy topic that goes beyond the actual timezone of the conflict itself and it's outside of my scope for sure. I'm not trying to pretend Russia wasn't doing a little bit of trolling to stoke that fire and I wish I didn't need to constantly explicitly state things like that.
Not to mention that again, we've seen Ukrainians treat Russian captives with care
We've also seen Ukrainians treat them without care, even if you ignore the more recent controversies.
, meanwhile, Russia had been shelling civilian areas extensively.
Yeah, Ukraine shelled civilian areas too. This is from an article written in 2015. I don't get your point with harping on this, they're both guilty of it.
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Even now. Comparing it to the Donbas war doesn't absolve Russia; it makes them even worse, since they've shown themselves to be no better than the Ukrainians, except they treat their own men like disposable cogs, whereas Ukraine has been shown to take care of Russian deserters and captives.
I'm not trying to advocate for Russia.

My point isn't that Russia is justified or using the "both sides bad" cop out, it's that it seems any past sins of Ukraine are entirely absolved because of Russia. In short, "Ukraine good because Russia bad" which is just as silly as "Russia good because Ukraine bad."
It's stupid that I have to say Russia should not have invaded Ukraine because everything said above will otherwise be interpreted as pro-Russian. What's even more stupid is I'll have to say it again because people in this thread are so combative.
 
It really seems a lot of people have very strong opinions on Russia's tactics while being ignorant on the Donbas conflict, which I think is intentional by the media.

I don't know if you are trolling, over the 8 years most people did turn into pro-Russian biomass, but thanks to extermination of anything Ukrainian and non-stop Russian TV propaganda.

The so called "ukrainian shelling" are weak sauce fakes, because everytime they needed some outrage, they would shoot up the civs, sometimes evidenced by the locals, sometimes have TV reporters arrive a bit too early to accidentally witness the outrage, but the vast majority of those fakes have been decisively disproven as manufactured by their local FSB directed bandit groups.

Also keep in mind that Ukraine of 2014 was not that different from Belarus now, i.e. economically depressed shithole, constantly dependent on handouts from Russia in form of gas supply. Not that different from Crimeans burning their Ukrainian passports, then asking around social networks how to restore the passport, because as a Ukrainian you had visa less entry into EU.



I never made any implication, it's such a messy topic that goes beyond the actual timezone of the conflict itself and it's outside of my scope for sure. I'm not trying to pretend Russia wasn't doing a little bit of trolling to stoke that fire and I wish I didn't need to constantly explicitly state things like that.

We've also seen Ukrainians treat them without care, even if you ignore the more recent controversies.

Yeah, Ukraine shelled civilian areas too. This is from an article written in 2015. I don't get your point with harping on this, they're both guilty of it.
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I'm not trying to advocate for Russia.

My point isn't that Russia is justified or using the "both sides bad" cop out, it's that it seems any past sins of Ukraine are entirely absolved because of Russia. In short, "Ukraine good because Russia bad" which is just as silly as "Russia good because Ukraine bad."
It's stupid that I have to say Russia should not have invaded Ukraine because everything said above will otherwise be interpreted as pro-Russian. What's even more stupid is I'll have to say it again because people in this thread are so combative.

nice fucking try ... that's Donetsk airport area, here is an article:


that was an area of some heaviest fighting between Ukrainian and actual RF troops. This is NOT a civilian district that evil Ukrop Nazis just destroyed in spite because they were thirsty for some civilian blood.

P.S. that's a HOTEL buildings btw
 
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I never made any implication, it's such a messy topic that goes beyond the actual timezone of the conflict itself and it's outside of my scope for sure. I'm not trying to pretend Russia wasn't doing a little bit of trolling to stoke that fire and I wish I didn't need to constantly explicitly state things like that.

We've also seen Ukrainians treat them without care, even if you ignore the more recent controversies.

Yeah, Ukraine shelled civilian areas too. This is from an article written in 2015. I don't get your point with harping on this, they're both guilty of it.
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I'm not trying to advocate for Russia.

My point isn't that Russia is justified or using the "both sides bad" cop out, it's that it seems any past sins of Ukraine are entirely absolved because of Russia. In short, "Ukraine good because Russia bad" which is just as silly as "Russia good because Ukraine bad."
It's stupid that I have to say Russia should not have invaded Ukraine because everything said above will otherwise be interpreted as pro-Russian. What's even more stupid is I'll have to say it again because people in this thread are so combative.
From the slop you linked:
The move to withdrawn heavy weaponry was Kiev's most direct step to acknowledge that the ceasefire was finally holding, a week after suffering one of the worst defeats of the war at the hands of rebels who initially ignored the ceasefire to launch a major advance.
Russian forces are consistent in disrespecting ceasefire agreements and humanitarian corridors, but they can be totally trusted, for sure.

Ukrainians didn't just wake up one day and went "Well, fuck, I should really blow up some stuff!". Russian invasion didn't start in 2022, it was merely escalated. They were fighting since 2014, not their own people, which would be a civil war, but Russians and whoever they managed to recruit among locals.
It was never about independence either, Russia seeks to take this territory for themselves.

Niggas must've never heard of hybrid warfare.
 
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I don't know if you are trolling, over the 8 years most people did turn into pro-Russian biomass, but thanks to extermination of anything Ukrainian and non-stop Russian TV propaganda.

The so called "ukrainian shelling" are weak sauce fakes, because everytime they needed some outrage, they would shoot up the civs, sometimes evidenced by the locals, sometimes have TV reporters arrive a bit too early to accidentally witness the outrage, but the vast majority of those fakes have been decisively disproven as manufactured by their local FSB directed bandit groups.

Also keep in mind that Ukraine of 2014 was not that different from Belarus now, i.e. economically depressed shithole, constantly dependent on handouts from Russia in form of gas supply. Not that different from Crimeans burning their Ukrainian passports, then asking around social networks how to restore the passport, because as a Ukrainian you had visa less entry into EU.





nice fucking try ... that's Donetsk airport area, here is an article:


that was an area of some heaviest fighting between Ukrainian and actual RF troops. This is NOT a civilian district that evil Ukrop Nazis just destroyed in spite because they were thirsty for some civilian blood.

P.S. that's a HOTEL buildings btw
Not going to reply bit by bit due to time but again, point=missed.
Both sides said the other side did a lot of stuff and unsurprisingly this continues into the full on war. I grabbed one of the first images of Donetsk just as an example of Ukrainian arty results. The article I linked even says what the image is when it's just the hotel. "Ruins: A heavily damaged hotel stands in ruins near to Donetsk airport in Donetsk, Ukraine"
There are images of homes and apartments having been shelled and as far as I know, in all cases both sides blamed the other. I know that won't appease you but oh well.

Forgive me if I find it hard to trust one of the most corrupt governments in the world who currently has egg on their face from obvious lies regarding more current events. Not that I trust the "separatists" either, which of course must be said because not being explicit in this thread is grounds for a paddlin'.

From the slop you linked:
I think everyone agrees the Dailymail is trash, it was one of the top results with the image in an image search. This is that combative spirit I'm referring to by the way.
Russian forces are consistent in disrespecting ceasefire agreements and humanitarian corridors, but they can be totally trusted, for sure.
Proofs? I've looked into it a little and there are ultimately two sources I know of on this. One is some red cross person claiming Russia mined one of the corridors and the other is I believe the Ukrainian MOD claiming this to be the case. No proofs from either claim, interestingly. I've already covered this would be unprecedented when Russia has a history of this tactic and I think the MOD has demonstrated their willingness to make shit up to try to get more aid.
Ukrainians didn't just wake up one day and went "Well, fuck, I should really blow up some stuff!". Russian invasion didn't start in 2022, it was merely escalated. They were fighting since 2014, not their own people, which would be a civil war, but Russians and whoever they managed to recruit among locals.
It was never about independence either, Russia seeks to take this territory for themselves.
Why are you telling me this, I referenced this in the post you're replying to and have distinctly said that it goes back before the discrete timelines we're familiar with. You're basically arguing about stuff I've never said but if it makes you feel better, I agree. I think Russia has been planning this for at least 20 years and started the slow burn before 2014.

No matter how many times I explain that I am not pro-Russian I am interpreted as somehow trying to defend the invasion.
 
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I don't know if you are trolling, over the 8 years most people did turn into pro-Russian biomass, but thanks to extermination of anything Ukrainian and non-stop Russian TV propaganda.

The so called "ukrainian shelling" are weak sauce fakes, because everytime they needed some outrage, they would shoot up the civs, sometimes evidenced by the locals, sometimes have TV reporters arrive a bit too early to accidentally witness the outrage, but the vast majority of those fakes have been decisively disproven as manufactured by their local FSB directed bandit groups.
Why am I not surprised that again, this whole thing about "UKRAINE IS JUST AS BAD AS RUSSIA!" gets disproven so easily by online research?

It was never about independence either, Russia seeks to take this territory for themselves.
That's why one cannot say that Ukraine is just as bad as Russia. Ukraine fights for its very existence, Russia is fighting because somehow, having massive reserves of natural resources and the largest terrestrial landmass for a nation wasn't enough for them. If they didn't declare war on Ukraine, and instead focused on building up their economy, they'd be just fine, and we'd still be trading with them and buying their oil. And maybe their populace wouldn't have a rich/poor divide that makes third-world banana republics look positively egalitarian. If Ukraine doesn't fight back, it risks being annihilated as a nation or made into someone else's bitch.

It's like saying that a woman fighting against her rapist is just as bad as her rapist, when the rapist could have left the woman alone and fapped to some porno mag or some hentai online. Or go the dating route and buy the woman some dinner. If the woman doesn't fight back against her rapist, she risks losing her dignity as well as her life.

Not going to reply bit by bit due to time but again, point=missed.

No matter how many times I explain that I am not pro-Russian I am interpreted as somehow trying to defend the invasion.
Everything you've linked is proven to be wrong, and you're taking misinterpretations of events as well as propaganda as truth. Of course people would see you as pro-Russian when you have their talking points and you condemn their enemies with said talking points.
 
Everything you've linked is proven to be wrong, and you're taking misinterpretations of events as well as propaganda as truth. Of course people would see you as pro-Russian when you have their talking points and you condemn their enemies with said talking points.
What was proven wrong just now? You are way too invested in this being an argument and have been since very early on in the invasion.

edit: lol just realized you :agree: with the stuff regarding the shelling of the corridors. I'm genuinely very interested in the proof of that so if you have any, please share. The word of the Ukrainian government is not proof, else the Ghost of Kiev would be proven to exist. But alas.
 
What was proven wrong just now? You are way too invested in this being an argument and have been since very early on in the invasion.

edit: lol just realized you :agree: with the stuff regarding the shelling of the corridors. I'm genuinely very interested in the proof of that so if you have any, please share. The word of the Ukrainian government is not proof, else the Ghost of Kiev would be proven to exist. But alas.
And? Do you have anything that hasn't been proven wrong anywhere here? Or are you just going to whine that people don't believe your side?

If you want to shill anti-Ukrainian propaganda, there's other threads for that stuff where people will believe that unconditionally.
 
And? Do you have anything that hasn't been proven wrong anywhere here? Or are you just going to whine that people don't believe your side?

If you want to shill anti-Ukrainian propaganda, there's other threads for that stuff where people will believe that unconditionally.
"What was proven wrong?"
"And? Do you have anything that hasn't been proven wrong anywhere here?"

I kneel.
 
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"What was proven wrong?"
"And? Do you have anything that hasn't been proven wrong anywhere here?"

I kneel.
I believe this post already did most of my work for me:

I don't know if you are trolling, over the 8 years most people did turn into pro-Russian biomass, but thanks to extermination of anything Ukrainian and non-stop Russian TV propaganda.

The so called "ukrainian shelling" are weak sauce fakes, because everytime they needed some outrage, they would shoot up the civs, sometimes evidenced by the locals, sometimes have TV reporters arrive a bit too early to accidentally witness the outrage, but the vast majority of those fakes have been decisively disproven as manufactured by their local FSB directed bandit groups.

Also keep in mind that Ukraine of 2014 was not that different from Belarus now, i.e. economically depressed shithole, constantly dependent on handouts from Russia in form of gas supply. Not that different from Crimeans burning their Ukrainian passports, then asking around social networks how to restore the passport, because as a Ukrainian you had visa less entry into EU.

nice fucking try ... that's Donetsk airport area, here is an article:


that was an area of some heaviest fighting between Ukrainian and actual RF troops. This is NOT a civilian district that evil Ukrop Nazis just destroyed in spite because they were thirsty for some civilian blood.

P.S. that's a HOTEL buildings btw
I rest my case.

Also, if you want to see which one is more corrupt, the fact that Russian tanks are breaking down and have expired rations in them kinda proves which side is more corrupt. Hint: It's not Ukraine, NATO, or the USA.
 
Had similar stories about how sanctions hurt people in Iran and Venezuela, but for some reason you didn't hear a lot of people on the right complaining about the sanctions then yet will complain about the Russian sanctions' effects.
I didn't even know those places were sanctioned so that might be why.

Are they fully kicked off the SWIFT system?
 
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I believe this post already did most of my work for me:


I rest my case.

Also, if you want to see which one is more corrupt, the fact that Russian tanks are breaking down and have expired rations in them kinda proves which side is more corrupt. Hint: It's not Ukraine, NATO, or the USA.
What was disproven? Just say it. @дядя Боря 's post doesn't prove or disprove anything.
I didn't even know those places were sanctioned so that might be why.

Are they fully kicked off the SWIFT system?

I don't think anyone has ever been evicted from SWIFT until Russia which is why it was such a big deal. I may be wrong, I don't keep up with economic news but read somewhere that's why it's so consequential.
It makes sense, in my uneducated opinion, to have as many economies use SWIFT as possible since it gives power through ubiquity. That said I didn't know anything about it until this invasion so I don't really know shit.

edit: Iran had most access to SWIFT revoked for 4 years but was reincorporated. Here's a short official blurb on it.
 
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What was disproven? Just say it. @дядя Боря 's post doesn't prove or disprove anything.
It does.

And again, you don't believe it because "HURR DURR CORRUPTION!"

Well, to be frank, Russia is the side with more corruption. Their oligarchs live like kings, with yachts and palatial estates abroad, while their commoners live like people in the third world. Industrious Russians who want to start businesses have to flee the country because they cannot compete with oligarchs who have either the Russian mob or the Russian state on their side. And their military is so wracked with corruption that their tanks and military equipment are breaking down, and they use sexual abuse and torture (Dedovshchina) to keep the conscripts obedient.

The fact that they would burn $20 billion a day to invade a foreign country instead of using that money to develop their economy and halt the brain drain caused by smart people leaving goes to show you how corrupt it is up there. And yet you don't want to believe a word coming from the Western/Ukrainian side because of "corruption".

How noble of you.
 
Ok but what exactly is disproven?
The exchange so far is basically
  • What was disproven?
  • Yes
  • What was disproven?
  • This quote disproved what you said
  • That quote doesn't prove or disprove anything
  • It does
And again, you don't believe it because "HURR DURR CORRUPTION!"
Don't believe what?
Well, to be frank, Russia is the side with more corruption. Their oligarchs live like kings, with yachts and palatial estates abroad, while their commoners live like people in the third world. Industrious Russians who want to start businesses have to flee the country because they cannot compete with oligarchs who have either the Russian mob or the Russian state on their side. And their military is so wracked with corruption that their tanks and military equipment are breaking down, and they use sexual abuse and torture (Dedovshchina) to keep the conscripts obedient.

The fact that they would burn $20 billion a day to invade a foreign country instead of using that money to develop their economy and halt the brain drain caused by smart people leaving goes to show you how corrupt it is up there. And yet you don't want to believe a word coming from the Western/Ukrainian side because of "corruption".

How noble of you.
You're responding to stuff I never said again. Quote where I said anything related to this if you want to keep talking about it.
You won't find it because Russia is objectively a corrupt shithole and I do not trust the Russian government either.
 
I didn't even know those places were sanctioned so that might be why.

Are they fully kicked off the SWIFT system?
With Venezuela I think they got by trading their oil for gold or some goofy shit like that, whereas with Iran many countries in Europe didn't care to join in with the US on it at all. Instead many countries worked around the sanctions to continue doing business as they pleased, which does make the Russia sanctions unique since it got assholes in Europe to actually do something for once.

Sanctions from the US have typically been a joke since other countries refused to follow America's lead. Even now with Russia there's suggestions Germany will cave in regarding paying for resources from Russia, because Germany isn't used to the idea of having to throw their economic weight around. Also doesn't help that much of Europe seemed to treat the idea of helping defend itself or its neighbors as a joke, going so far as to treat the US as behaving as the World Police if they ever tried intervening anywhere. Now they have a conflict in their backyard and everyone will deal with the repercussions of their decisions.
 
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