Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Ancient Pioneer]

Sucks be those guys I guess.

Not as much as the media is portraying, the radioactive material has diminished a fair bit since the disaster. Caesium-137 has a halflife of 30 years, and realistically, the only people who got hit with lethal dosages were the fire fighters and plant workers who were in the building when it cooked off. Just driving through and kicking up some dust wont be much of an issue, not that there would be much on the surface any longer. This material was out in the open for 35 years now, rain, snow, high winds, radioactive material getting captured by biological forces like grass growing and decaying. These troops will have a lower life expectancy due to living in Russia more than they will from having minimal radiation exposure. Its actually more dangerous to stomp around in the Zone Rouge than it is to just hike through the Exclusion Zone.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

It is claimed this is from Mariupol. Pretty Ghey result.

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Not sure if aiming for the commander's hatch, or just bad aim in general. Right on the reverse slope of the turret, for maximum effective armor thickness. When you've got a shot like that, just plop it in the engine deck and be done with it.

 

[Aidan]

If that happens I doubt they'd even wait a month to announce that they're holding a referendum in support of Russian annexation.

LPR has already said as much lol
I love democracy!

"I think that in the near future a referendum will be held on the territory of the republic," Leonid Pasechnik, the leader of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic, was quoted as saying by the region's news outlet.


"The people will exercise their ultimate constitutional right and express their opinion on joining the Russian Federation."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-rebel-region-may-hold-referendum-joining-russia-2022-03-27/

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

LPR has already said as much lol
I love democracy!

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-rebel-region-may-hold-referendum-joining-russia-2022-03-27/

It's really the only reasonable option for those "countries". Realistically they're to small to really be viable economically, and it's not like tourism or banking will be a draw. They either have to join another country or be kept afloat by one.

 

[Stoneheart]

Wagner Group....same ones who got their asses waxed in Syria by US Special Operations and Syrian rebels.

that never happened. the russians pushed to the contact line with the turkish army and didnt push further because killing official nato soldiers is a nono.

your terrorists got their shit pished in in syria and libya.

 

[Generic Retard]

Not as much as the media is portraying, the radioactive material has diminished a fair bit since the disaster. Caesium-137 has a halflife of 30 years, and realistically, the only people who got hit with lethal dosages were the fire fighters and plant workers who were in the building when it cooked off. Just driving through and kicking up some dust wont be much of an issue, not that there would be much on the surface any longer. This material was out in the open for 35 years now, rain, snow, high winds, radioactive material getting captured by biological forces like grass growing and decaying. These troops will have a lower life expectancy due to living in Russia more than they will from having minimal radiation exposure. Its actually more dangerous to stomp around in the Zone Rouge than it is to just hike through the Exclusion Zone.

It's a different story if you are inhaling the stuff, which was suggested by the interviewed workers.
Ingested radioactive particles are always pretty nasty, since it prolongs the exposure time.
There is also Strontium-90 contamination and that stuff will be collected in the bones.

Oh, and the measured increase in radioactivity (somewhere around the power plant), was probably from that event. (My guess!)

According to Wikipedia the ambient radiation in the red forest was as high as 1 roentgen (which is ~9.3mSv) per hour and that is without the top soil disturbed.
I wouldn't want to try out how high the level gets, once someone drives through there with tanks (depends on how dry the weather is I guess).

 

[mindlessobserver]

Unprotected Russian soldiers disturbed radioactive dust in Chernobyl's 'Red Forest', workers say​

Sucks be those guys I guess.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-soldiers-disturbed-radioactive-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/

Shouldn't armoured vehicles usually be CBRN protected though?
That still gives plenty of opportunity to ingest particles collected by the vehicles' surface though, since I doubt there was any contamination happening.

Wtf is WRONG with the Russian Army. For fucks sake it was the Russian Army that buried all that Fallout in the first place. Someone at the strategic level had to have known it was still there. The entire reason the liquidators had to go through and flip the earth over was because the Beta Wave radiation lasts for centuries but can be blocked by a simple dirt barrier.

Unless literal morons go through and flip it over again. Thoss soldiers are dead men walking, especially if they breathed in the dust.

 

[Hell on Earth]

Totalitarianism is the inevitable result of Atheism.

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No, I will not stop repeating it.

I agree but totalitarianism and state worship existed before modern times (See Legalism and Qin China, for example)

Legalism has a legacy in China and many of it's elements are put to use depending on how desperate the times are.

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

optimistic take. i dont think the sanctions are going away like that. as long as russia annexes or occupies any part of ukraine, they will stay sanctioned.

I agree that it's an optimistic take of his. Still it's a decent point to make. If Russia's forced into cannibalizing some planes for parts to maintain safety standards, that doesn't mean those planes are gone. It just means that it'll require more parts and effort to get them back to being airworthy. That's a fairly reasonable long term consideration to make.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

Wtf is WRONG with the Russian Army. For fucks sake it was the Russian Army that buried all that Fallout in the last first place. Someone at the strategic level had to have known it was still there. The entire reason the liquidators had to go through and flip the earth over was because the Beta Wave radiation lasts for centuries but can be blocked by a simple dirt barrier.

Unless literal morons go through and flip it over again. Thoss soldiers are dead men walkingz especially if they breathed in the dust.

They're degenerate slavs. They don't care about each other, or themselves. Before the American geriatric was hand-waving regime change Putin had threatened the world with a nuclear holocaust. And it didn't feel like the Madman Theory in action. It felt callous and grotesque. Evil. Are you really surprised that their soldiering youth is deprived of basic safety measures?

 

[Aidan]

It's really the only reasonable option for those "countries". Realistically they're to small to really be viable economically, and it's not like tourism or banking will be a draw. They either have to join another country or be kept afloat by one.

If I was in either of the republics I would honestly vote to join with Russia if there was such a referendum. Way better than being a landlocked weak bitch in between two guys with bad blood.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I agree that it's an optimistic take of his. Still it's a decent point to make. If Russia's forced into cannibalizing some planes for parts to maintain safety standards, that doesn't mean those planes are gone. It just means that it'll require more parts and effort to get them back to being airworthy. That's a fairly reasonable long term consideration to make.

Those planes are gone. Western safety standards prohibit any aircraft using or being used for spare parts. Such aircraft are treated as having Cancer AIDS and are barred entry to any first world airport.

Russia is going to have to pay for all of them as a precondition for the sanctions being lifted at this point.

 

[mindlessobserver]

They're degenerate slavs. They don't care about each other, or themselves. Before the American geriatric was hand-waving regime change Putin had threatened the world with a nuclear holocaust. And it didn't feel like the Madman Theory in action. It felt callous and grotesque. Evil. Are you really surprised that their soldiering youth is deprived of basic safety measures?

I'm offended on their behalf. Thousands of those youths fathers suffered and died to defeat the unseen menace that was chernobyl. Callously disturbing their work is monstrous.

 

[incelistan]

From Yuryev's Third Empire (2006), in MTL:

Anti-Russian hysteria in the press and in the political establishment in Europe and the US during this period reached a completely surreal level. It was commonplace to say that Russians were immeasurably scarier for humanity than Genghis Khan and Hitler combined, so that one got the impression that they were eating infants for breakfast. Ukrainians were portrayed not just as victims, but almost as the centre of all that is bright and decent on Earth - even though the vast majority of Europeans and especially Americans had no idea where Ukraine is and who the Ukrainians were (I have seen quite a few of them and can confirm that they are ordinary Russians).

Context is a war between Putin's Russia and Ukraine, that begins due to a secession of Eastern Ukrainian states which is probably influenced by Russia.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

If I was in either of the republics I would honestly vote to join with Russia if there was such a referendum. Way better than being a landlocked weak bitch in between two guys with bad blood.

Hell even if the Russians for some unexplained reason gave the land back to Ukraine, I suspect almost everyone there would move to Russia if possible, or at least wouldn't stay in Ukraine.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

I'm offended on their behalf. Thousands of those youths fathers suffered and died to defeat the unseen menace that was chernobyl. Callously disturbing their work is monstrous.

And some of their sons have also almost blown up another nuclear reactor through callous bombardments. It's a vicious cycle.

 

[Bob jensen]

They should have just followed the covid double masking with a stocking over the face guidance. Stops *everything*.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

I agree but totalitarianism and state worship existed before modern times (See Legalism and Qin China, for example)

Legalism has a legacy in China and many of it's elements are put to use depending on how desperate the times are.

Of course, I don't mean to declare that the two are mutually exclusive, hell some religions seem purpose-built for creating dystopian shitholes. However, there is a continual pattern that when a society decides that there is no god, it swiftly turns around and begins to deify the State as the final arbiter of truth and justice, completely forgetting that the State is made up of people, who are very fucking bad at being true and just. Then when this is pointed out to them, the response is always some form of "No, only BAD PEOPLE do that, so we'll just extrajudicially murder all the BAD PEOPLE, and then everything will be perfect!"

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Those planes are gone. Western safety standards prohibit any aircraft using or being used for spare parts. Such aircraft are treated as having Cancer AIDS and are barred entry to any first world airport.

Russia is going to have to pay for all of them as a precondition for the sanctions being lifted at this point.

Hell, forget about Western safety standards, the moment a Russian airliner goes down and it's revealed it was using a spare part or was being used for Western quality spare parts and given a subpar replacement part, most airports that do allow Russian planes will stop allowing them. And this most likely isn't an if, it's a when.

 

[Lone MacReady]

Unprotected Russian soldiers disturbed radioactive dust in Chernobyl's 'Red Forest', workers say​

Sucks be those guys I guess.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-soldiers-disturbed-radioactive-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/

Shouldn't armoured vehicles usually be CBRN protected though?
That still gives plenty of opportunity to ingest particles collected by the vehicles' surface though, since I doubt there was any contamination happening.

I think irradiated dust is the least of their worries, especially in red forest.