Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[UVB-76]

We've seen the rocket wont kersplode if you're too close so it's fine.

>robber points NLAW at me and demands wallet from across the street
>I start running at him to get inside of arming distance
>he starts running away
>I cannot stop chasing him or I die

 

[kuuu]

T'is not about the NATO sponsored Ukranian invasion of Russia. Or even of Crimea, though that is a bit more of a hot topic.

T'is about enforcing a red line. The enforcement of which is more important than the line itself. About showing that Russia will use military force in advancement of its interests. That the "bear has awakened from its slumber" and that essentially the west must consider realpolitik again and not just "democratic values of self determination" or what ever, that are constantly subverted by various great powers (western and non-western) through the use of think tanks, conditioned career paths, self censorship on social media, NGO pressure and so much more - let alone the fact that they clearly aren't respected in all cases such as in Catalonia. I.e. mostly hollow principles that in the end themselves are subject to geopolitics.


It is the rise of a multipolar world.
Sadly each pole is shittier than the last.
Truly, a Pole cannot into space since the Soviet Union and in the same way each new pole formed digs itself deeper into autocracy and corruption rather than striving for new heights.

And yet any Russian that might understand inevitability of what had to happen would still be upset over the fact that this red line is painted on the faces of Ukrainians.
Geopolitics is a very fucking cold dish.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Paid actors from Donetsk said so therefore it's true

There's literally a video of Azov telling civilians they couldn't leave the city.

 

[Borscht]

There's literally a video of Azov telling civilians they couldn't leave the city.

The Azov are paid actors too. Heck, the Ukrainean president is a paid actor. I think we've been had, lads.

 

[mr.moon1488]

The Azov are paid actors too. Heck, the Ukrainean president is a paid actor. I think we've been had, lads.

I wanna be a paid actor.

 

[Hell on Earth]

The whole thing with negotiations may be fake and gay, but if it's true, that leaves two general possibilities:
1) West deescalates. That'll allow Putin to regroup and consolidate his power. Therefore, Russian revanchist delusions will become even stronger, more resources will be diverted to military-industrial complex and in 10ish years you can expect Z-army "take two" on Ukraine. There's a small possibility of coup, but its beneficiaries would likely be even more hawkish than Putin. In the end, you'd still have a ticking time bomb that hasn't been defused (or, in Russkies' newspeak, "denazified and demilitarized"). In general, I consider it as a bad ending.
2) West will continue to mount pressure until Putin is removed from power. That'll have profound consequences. Russian agriculture industry is heavily dependent on Western industrial components and machinery. In 6-10 months, Russia will start losing its industrial and transportation capabilities. Planes will start crashing, crops will rot in the fields not being harvested, production and repair of tanks and IFVs will stop. If the West is smart enough, they'll start nurture separatist movements at this moment. At first, it would be economic separatism (local governments hoarding food and products to keep the population satisfied. And since governor's KPI are linked to popular support, the Kremlin would be satisfied, too.), later the regions will realize that Russia is a toxic brand and will seek ways to distance themselves from it. Why should KhMAO send its oil taxes to Moscow when its oil industry is crippled by sanctions imposed on Russia? Why Tatarstan should lose all export revenue from KAMAZ? Why Kirovskaya oblast or Karelia should suffer from cutting their ties to Finnish furniture makers?
Well, there is a solution: balkanize Russia. That's unfathomably based. At last, Russian people will be free from homogenizing central authority of Moscow. At last, different regions and nations will be able to have different laws. tax codes and ideology. At last, long and painful decay of Russian Empire will reach its end.
The West has one in a lifetime opportunity to curate the final solution to Russian Empire problem. I hope they won't blow it.

Reddit tier take.

You'll starve Africa and the Middle East to take down a nuclear power?, no fam. Regime change against a big nuclear power is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

What the fuck are you going to do with those thousands of nukes and how are you going to prevent one from falling into the hands of extremist elements?

World peace depends on how stable Russia is and a cornered animal is the most dangerous thing for world peace.

You think the universe was spawned on February 24 when the invasion began but this has a lot more nuance, consequences and history to it than you think.

 

[cistendered]

Comfy video of some Z marked technicals. Can't wait for phase 2 of the Chechen jihad in Ukraine.

 

[Oakland1]

I like how everybody's just assuming that somebody will magically "rebuild Ukraine" after the war. Who exactly will finance that, you think? I'm sure that all the western companies will flock to a corrupt, destroyed client state like they did in the last 30 years before the war (hint: they didn't).

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

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Comfy video of some Z marked technicals. Can't wait for phase 2 of the Chechen jihad in Ukraine.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that it was the Chechens who pushed for war just so they can find happiness in the world.

Edit: Also we just went through a whole month of Chechens warring away and not one confirmed report of a beheading. Does the Chechen evolve to a higher state of man with each war they partake in?

 

[Uncle Buck]

But fair enough, if the war ends and they agree to peace and the Donbaus Republics lies are recognized, Chrimea and that peace of land north of it that controls the water supply to it is Russian, Ukraine agrees not to join Nato nor have any bases/labs of Nato in its borders, BUT Zelenskys goverment stays in charge, Ukraine still claims to have a military, and Nazis are still roaming the wild streets of Ukraine I guess it's fair to say Russia lost and it was all for naught.

Or, basically, exactly what Russia was looking to accomplish if you actually were capable of deep thinking and understanding on the matter as opposed to being your average vapid NPC screaming "SLAVA UKRAINIA" or "SLAVA ROYUSSIA" like it's your favorite sporting event.

 

[TheTrumanShow]

The 10 second video with 0 context that shills and pajeets keep posting on Twitter lmao? Let me guess, boogiemen Azov are also wasting their limited munition to shell the humanitarian corridors and civilian buldings, right?

There's videos of civilians saying they wouldnt be let out by Azovs or what not. If Ukraine wanted to minimize civilian casualties they would have had open cities, but then they would have rolled over like France did in 1940.

They wanted to fight, Azov just went further and forced people to be human shields.
I think part of the issue was also that Russia wanted to open a corridor into its territory which was politically sensitive.

Either way, Russia had nothing to gain from not letting people out of the city and everything to gain from them getting out of it, so their shells could hit less of them and they would get less shit.

 

[Borscht]

Well, there is a solution: balkanize Russia. That's unfathomably based. At last, Russian people will be free from homogenizing central authority of Moscow. At last, different regions and nations will be able to have different laws. tax codes and ideology.

Last time it happened, Chechnya immediately regressed into a medieval tribalist Islamic caliphate and started slaughtering its neighbors. Another example is Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict that is flaring up again even as I type this despite both of them being former USSR republics.

Not all of these "different regions and nations" have "laws, tax codes and ideology" similar to yours or even remotely benevolent.

Just saying.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

Last time it happened, Chechnya immediately regressed into a medieval tribalist Islamic caliphate and started slaughtering its neighbors. Not all of these "different regions and nations" have "laws, tax codes and ideology" similar to yours or even remotely benevolent.

Just saying.

If you think the average Jewmerican cares about whether the end result is beneficial for the people there instead of beneficial to the egos of his overseers who run these foreign policy ops I've beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.

 

[libRT]

I like how everybody's just assuming that somebody will magically "rebuild Ukraine" after the war. Who exactly will finance that, you think? I'm sure that all the western companies will flock to a corrupt, destroyed client state like they did in the last 30 years before the war (hint: they didn't).

They'll get funding for it, but like most public projects anywhere, it'll just filter into the corrupt's pockets.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

The 10 second video with 0 context that shills and pajeets keep posting on Twitter lmao? Let me guess, boogiemen Azov are also wasting their limited munition to shell the humanitarian corridors and civilian buldings, right?

Interesting how the same ten second twitter video always has a different person, in a different location, saying similar things.

 

[Narcotics]

Burger gov: They're coming closer to an agreement? Shiiiit, quick, throw in the chemical attacks!

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Burger gov: They're coming closer to an agreement? Shiiiit, quick, throw in the chemical attacks!

Get a Russian to shoot a black, or even better get a Russian to put a knee on him.

 

[pisswomble]

Putin's made himself look a right fool, he's had to admit to the world today that his armed forces aren't strong enough to take over a third rate nation like Ukraine.

I'd be too embarrassed to post in this thread again if I'd been simping for him and had claimed he was a great leader playing the west or something.

 

[mr.moon1488]

The 10 second video with 0 context that shills and pajeets keep posting on Twitter lmao? Let me guess, boogiemen Azov are also wasting their limited munition to shell the humanitarian corridors and civilian buldings, right?

It's part of a full-length video that was posted in the last thread and there was a big sperg out over armbands and shit in the video. Though since you sound like a twatter migrant, I'm guessing you haven't been paying much attention to the threads here.

 

[tulskij_tochnyj]

Reddit tier take.

You'll starve Africa and the Middle East to take down a nuclear power?, no fam. Regime change against a big nuclear power is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

What the fuck are you going to do with those thousands of nukes and how are you going to prevent one from falling into the hands of extremist elements?

World peace depends on how stable Russia is and a cornered animal is the most dangerous thing for world peace.

You think the universe was spawned on February 24 when the invasion began but this has a lot more nuance, consequences and history to it than you think.

NOT THE HECKING SANDNIGGERINOOS. But seriously, Ukrainian grain exports this year will be non-existant anyway, and we have banned grain exports ourselves.
It won't be classic regime change like in Iraq, more of the USSR collapse 2.0. Nukes are relatively well defended, their locations are known and they can be quickly put under joint custody (and that's what newly formed government will likely do, as Ukraine did in 1991, for example).
If scenario 2 is not enacted now, it will be enacted after scenario 1. But after scenario 1 you'd have war-torn country, possibly with NATO or Chinese occupational forces within its borders (as a result of devastating defeat), with much less intact infrastructure and industrial capacity, DPRK-tier economy and shittier human capital. Good luck fixing that.