Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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The mother of all copes from US intel - "Doesn't our enemy know how bad he's losing? Hasn't he read our reports saying what a failure this operation has been? Doesn't he know what the (((international community))) is saying behind his back?". I think the only explanation for rhetoric this dumb is that the Ukrainians are getting severely bloodied, or are about to, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Its actually not that far fetched. On the ground officials and even senior officials in the Kremlin lied to Gorbachev's face about Chernobyl. It was overly dramatized in the Craig Mazin docudrama, but it underscored an actual point where everyone from the guys on the ground to the senior officials in the room happily lied to the General Secretary about just how bad the crisis actually was. Its why the Soviet response to the disaster was so lethargic at first, and only kicked into high gear once radiation alarms started going off in Sweden. At that point Gorbachev asked his officials why the Swedes had started freaking the fuck out and the Germans had ordered all their children indoors.
 
There may be a grain of truth to it to be honest. Any time you have as much corruption as you do in Russia, there's going to be people lying to cover their asses.

Yeah can you even imagine living in an imperial state where the senior elite are lied to by the beauracracy about the true state of the economy and the success of its foreign military adventures
 
The former is doable in that its unenforceable. The later can't be. Ukraine is "winning" at the moment. Why would Ukraine agree to demilitarize when this war has essentially created one of the best Armies on the European continent?
I mean, their president is essentially spewing that they'll be fighting to the last man. Of course nothing will change until Russia gets some big gains when their propaganda mashine can't keep lying anymore. Not like there aren't cracks cropping up here and there. Again, I don't think there is enough info out there to make decisive conclusions.

Addendum: The one war Ukraine is definitely winning is info war. Not without help of collective West. You might be buying a bit too much into it.

@Spicey McHaggis not just hell, this one in particular is a huge mistake, because slavs are killing slavs again.
Too bad this train has no stops till one of the sides breaks. And, I just don't see it being Russia.
 
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So no clue if this is true or not, but God damn if I don't hope it is real.
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I thought that story was a bit old. That's dude would die walking across a field in full military gear or even something lighter. I suppose these days with inflations drugs aren't cheap.

I also don't think too much of the idea Putin is being misled. This war has to get to a point for him where he can declare victory. Perhaps he ignores inessential bad news for the sake of his mood, but forces moving south and a bit of pressure up north, suggests clear enough thinking, presumably an enlarged Donbass, de-facto annexed, with Novorossiya towns like Mariupol (particularly Mariupol if possible) replacing them as de-facto but not de-jure Russian territory held to keep Ukraine on its toes.
 
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I mean, their president is essentially spewing that they'll be fighting to the last man. Of course nothing with change until Russia gets some big gains when their propaganda mashine can't keep lying anymore. Not like there aren't cracks cropping up here and there. Again, I don't think there is enough info out there to make decisive conclusions.
There is one conclusion we can make: war is hell.
 
Iraq had a "bigger army" in 1991. We saw what happened.

Russia has largely squandered their "bigger army", while the Ukrainians are using their smaller army far more effectively than anyone imagined.

Size of an army doesn't mean much when the logistics are poor, the strategy unworkable and air superiority sporadic. War today is a combined-arms operation, actually been that way for many years now. Still don't understand how Russia could have pissed away their VDV the way they did.

Russia's "bigger army" has been severely hamstrung by the old Russian/Soviet practice of denying noncommissioned officers, junior officers, and field grade officers the ability to use initiative to react with unexpected situations on the battlefield. Instead, the Russians have been forced to send generals down to Ukraine to personally ensure operations are carried out. These generals are up front, deciding what to do when subordinate units run into unexpected situations. They are acting as company and battalion commanders. Then these flag officers and colonels end up getting killed. From what little I know believe one Ukrainian general has been killed. We see the Ukes using initiative at all levels, keeping the Russians off balance. Would say they're using the US/NATO provided training rather well.

If you will, imagine Gulliver being held down by a myriad of small ropes. Russia's situation in the Ukraine is not unlike that of Gulliver.

And if Russia is having this much trouble conventionally against Ukraine, simply cannot see them defeating NATO forces conventionally. NATO trains a lot together, shares lessons learned/best practices among themselves. Their logistics are a quantum leap better.

Seriously, ol' Vlad needs to end this war. The conventional disparities between his army and Ukraine, much less NATO, grow every day.
I'd been wondering about the death toll among Russian Generals, but I think this hits it right on the head. All these Russian units are fighting using old soviet doctrine of centralized control with no unit initiative. Which means the generals HAVE to go to the front to make sure the orders are carried out. For comparison, the USA has not had front line generals...ever. At least not since the 7 years war which was pretty much the last time American field grade officers led from the front to disastrous effect when those French fur trappers started sniping them. There was some of that in the Civil War, but it was very frowned on, especially after General Jackson got his ass shot by his own troops. If combat was fluid in the 18th century, its nightmarishly fluid in the 21st century. It explains to a T why the Ukrainian Army has been able to run circles around the Russian Army. Russia is depserately trying to decapitate their central command and control...and the Ukrainian army does not have one.
 
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The mother of all copes from US intel - "Doesn't our enemy know how bad he's losing? Hasn't he read our reports saying what a failure this operation has been? Doesn't he know what the (((international community))) is saying behind his back?". I think the only explanation for rhetoric this dumb is that the Ukrainians are getting severely bloodied, or are about to, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Biden's Tard Wranglers are saying Putin isn't informed?
Holy shit, that's IMAX level projection.
 
I'd been wondering about the death toll among Russian Generals, but I think this hits it right on the head. All these Russian units are fighting using old soviet doctrine of centralized control with no unit initiative. Which means the generals HAVE to go to the front to make sure the orders are carried out. For comparison, the USA has not had front line generals...ever. At least not since the 7 years war which was pretty much the last time American field grade officers led from the front to disastrous effect when those French fur trappers started sniping them. There was some of that in the Civil War, but it was very frowned on, especially after General Jackson got his ass shot by his own troops. If combat was fluid in the 18th century, its nightmarishly fluid in the 21st century. It explains to a T why the Ukrainian Army has been able to run circles around the Russian Army. Russia is depserately trying to decapitate their central command and control...and the Ukrainian army does not have one.

This was typed one handed
 
Bros, Ukraine is totally dabbing on the Russians, and they'll be in Moscow by the end of the week.
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I played like one round of Wargame Red Dragon and lost to Finland, I'm an expert at modern warfare.
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Looks like the Russians are getting a taste of their own medicine. All the more reason to reach a settlement soon. Could see further attacks inside Russia.


I wonder what motivated MSN to suddenly start telling the truth due to their recent plot lines:
1. St George Protests are peaceful
2. No electoral fraud happened in 2020.
3. Biden has a functional brain
4. COVID is twice as deadly as the flu and is totally worth it to kill the economy over it.
5. Vaccines are safe and effective
6. Trannies are not insane
7. Inflation is actually good for the people

Just off the top of my head.
 
I'd been wondering about the death toll among Russian Generals, but I think this hits it right on the head. All these Russian units are fighting using old soviet doctrine of centralized control with no unit initiative. Which means the generals HAVE to go to the front to make sure the orders are carried out. For comparison, the USA has not had front line generals...ever. At least not since the 7 years war which was pretty much the last time American field grade officers led from the front to disastrous effect when those French fur trappers started sniping them. There was some of that in the Civil War, but it was very frowned on, especially after General Jackson got his ass shot by his own troops. If combat was fluid in the 18th century, its nightmarishly fluid in the 21st century. It explains to a T why the Ukrainian Army has been able to run circles around the Russian Army. Russia is depserately trying to decapitate their central command and control...and the Ukrainian army does not have one.
No, the Ukes appear to use the US/NATO model of centralized control/decentralized execution. Someone in Kyiv/Lviv/HQ is tracking what's going on and issuing mission-type orders accordingly. Then those executing the mission decide how to carry it out and request logistical/fires/air support, as available. The Ukes are fighting lean; they have to. And they make everything count. They have to.

Bottom line: It's a matter of trust. Ukraine trusts their NCOs/company-grade officers/field-grade officers to accomplish the mission with a minimum of supervision/support. Russia simply doesn't trust their NCOs/company-grade officers/field-grade officers to carry out the mission without a great deal of supervision.

The results are obvious, and are already being scrutinized by militaries and intelligence services all over.

Humble reminder - war has a way of teaching geography. Surely the tweet about Armenian aircraft carriers/nuke subs was a joke.
 
Perhaps they remember their history.

Let's hope this war ends soon before things get even worse. Russia cannot conquer the entire Ukraine, that's been proven. Every day more damage is being done in both countries, to no purpose now. And it could well be that the damage done to Russia could end up being far worse than the damage they have inflicted on Ukraine.
I think we’re still in the fog of war with the propaganda generators going full steam on both sides (more in the hohol side because, apparently the Russians get the concept of opsec) so I believe it is premature to say anything has been proven yet.

The Russian war doctrine is different than the American one, their logistics different, views on naval power, completely for different ends so judging the progress of the war on WWAM (What Would the American Military) do does a disservice to the record.

So far, Ukraine keeps losing and making up ground and the fucked up Russian economy refuses any metric used in the West to assess their state of affairs.

It’s pretty much a given that the Ukies lost and are just now bargaining on wether the Russians will use Vaseline on their rape or not.
 
I think we’re still in the fog of war with the propaganda generators going full steam on both sides (more in the hohol side because, apparently the Russians get the concept of opsec) so I believe it is premature to say anything has been proven yet.

The Russian war doctrine is different than the American one, their logistics different, views on naval power, completely for different ends so judging the progress of the war on WWAM (What Would the American Military) do does a disservice to the record.

So far, Ukraine keeps losing and making up ground and the fucked up Russian economy refuses any metric used in the West to assess their state of affairs.

It’s pretty much a given that the Ukies lost and are just now bargaining on wether the Russians will use Vaseline on their rape or not.
Comparing logistics to the Americans is perfectly reasonable and doesn't do a disservice. Generally, you compare things to the gold standard, and in logistics, Americans are king.
 
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