Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[737 MAX Stan Account]

Comparing logistics to the Americans is perfectly reasonable and doesn't do a disservice. Generally, you compare things to the gold standard, and in logistics, Americans are king.

Having the world's best airlift capabilities certainly helps in that department. The USAF's transport planes could probably haul the Russian's airlifters.

I mean, look at this big boy

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Armenia has aircraft carriers and submarines?

They don't even have sea access.....

 

[mindlessobserver]

No, the Ukes appear to use the US/NATO model of centralized control/decentralized execution. Someone in Kyiv/Lviv/HQ is tracking what's going on and issuing mission-type orders accordingly. Then those executing the mission decide how to carry it out and request logistical/fires/air support, as available. The Ukes are fighting lean; they have to. And they make everything count. They have to.

Bottom line: It's a matter of trust. Ukraine trusts their NCOs/company-grade officers/field-grade officers to accomplish the mission with a minimum of supervision/support. Russia simply doesn't trust their NCOs/company-grade officers/field-grade officers to carry out the mission without a great deal of supervision.

The results are obvious, and are already being scrutinized by militaries and intelligence services all over.

Humble reminder - war has a way of teaching geography. Surely the tweet about Armenian aircraft carriers/nuke subs was a joke.

I want to know what General is directing this operation on the Ukrainian side. Either the man is insanely lucky or a military genius. Though according to Napoleon there is no difference between the two. Most likely this guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerii_Zaluzhnyi

 

[A_throwaway_name62919]

There may be a grain of truth to it to be honest. Any time you have as much corruption as you do in Russia, there's going to be people lying to cover their asses.

That and Putin's probably looking for scapegoats at the moment. I highly doubt he went to war expecting to get bogged down for a month fighting Ukraine with no end in sight while the US and Europe slap massive sanctions on Russia that greatly hinders its ability to trade with other countries or even travel to them. He's got to be looking for people to blame. Makes for a great incentive to downplay how bad things are and hope to somehow pull out a win on down the line.

 

[AnOminous]

Iirc there's a strict time limit on how long ships of nations without a coast in the black sea can stay there. I may be wrong though.

It's still a good idea to keep any NATO members out of situations where they can possibly encounter and inadvertently get into combat with some Russian unit. That shit could escalate rapidly.

 

[Lee Crabb]

The British had a large army in the 1770s as well, it's a factor but not necessarily the thing that will determine the outcome of the war.

Whatever happens, for their sake hopefully the Russian military learns something from this. Logistics is their biggest problem far and away. And for Christ's sake, don't let soldiers on either side carry cell phones to the front lines!

I mean, the British also realized that they couldn't send all their soldiers over when you have France, Spain, and the Dutch threatening to invade the homeland after they joined the war.

 

[JambledUpWords]

I want to know what General is directing this operation on the Ukrainian side. Either the man is insanely lucky or a military genius. Though according to Napoleon there is no difference between the two. Most likely this guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerii_Zaluzhnyi

Ukes have a storage of super soldiers that the Russians do not. Scientists have infused Ukes with Super-Soldier Serum and they have been waiting for this very moment to use them.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

After Armenia sends the aircraft carriers to Russia, the Vatican will have to respond by sending their tanks to help Ukraine.

 

[Walrus and Carpenter]

I want to know what General is directing this operation on the Ukrainian side. Either the man is insanely lucky or a military genius. Though according to Napoleon there is no difference between the two. Most likely this guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerii_Zaluzhnyi

You actually think things are going well for the Ukrainians? A quarter of their country is occupied and their entire military is pinned down. Is this what victory looks like to you?

 

[XYZpdq]

So no clue if this is true or not, but God damn if I don't hope it is real.
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tbf if he's not posting selfies of their location and getting them missiled then he's not _as_ destructive to the Ukraine cause as the Redditwaffen

 

[mindlessobserver]

You actually think things are going well for the Ukrainians? A quarter of their country is occupied and their entire military is pinned down. Is this what victory looks like to you?

Not yet. But the thing is, from what I see Ukraine hasn't lost what it needs to hold in order to win. Mainly, the Dneiper Line, its Capital and Kharkiv. Ukraine executed a nearly flawless defense in depth strategy, which traded space for time while committing to defending the strategic points that absolutely had to be held. Irpin, Kharkiv and Mariople. Mariople is probably going to go, but the other two are going to hold. Which is huge, because it means that not only will the Ukrainian government remain a legitimate force, but Russia will fail to get to the part of Ukraine that actually matters for its warfighting capability. The portions west of the Dneiper. The fact that Russia has also failed to dislodge the Ukrainian regulars from the Donbass also means that mounting a counter attack in the south and east will be much easier.

Everything Russia gained it gained in the first 72 hours when they had strategic surprise. Since then its been a slow and grinding push back. Its not victory yet, but its definitely not defeat.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Sound choice for that scenario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTnGTlu-a1w

It is a military vehicle after all.

Enough. How much and when can I pick it up.

No, the Ukes appear to use the US/NATO model of centralized control/decentralized execution. Someone in Kyiv/Lviv/HQ is tracking what's going on and issuing mission-type orders accordingly. Then those executing the mission decide how to carry it out and request logistical/fires/air support, as available.

Of course they do, since they aren't giving the orders, we are, from Poland, with some eyes on the ground from "volunteers".

 

[kuuu]

Enough. How much and when can I pick it up.

I would think that at this point the only way would be getting a used one wherever you are.
Also, have a gander at a modernized winter version:

 

[Walrus and Carpenter]

Not yet. But the thing is, from what I see Ukraine hasn't lost what it needs to hold in order to win. Mainly, the Dneiper Line, its Capital and Kharkiv. Ukraine executed a nearly flawless defense in depth strategy, which traded space for time while committing to defending the strategic points that absolutely had to be held. Irpin, Kharkiv and Mariople. Mariople is probably going to go, but the other two are going to hold. Which is huge, because it means that not only will the Ukrainian government remain a legitimate force, but Russia will fail to get to the part of Ukraine that actually matters for its warfighting capability. The portions west of the Dneiper. The fact that Russia has also failed to dislodge the Ukrainian regulars from the Donbass also means that mounting a counter attack in the south and east will be much easier.

Everything Russia gained it gained in the first 72 hours when they had strategic surprise. Since then its been a slow and grinding push back. Its not victory yet, but its definitely not defeat.

Ok. Waiting on that big counterattack. What reserves are the Ukrainians going to use, The Reddit brigade, the Volksturm? I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, just doesn't seem likely.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I want to know what General is directing this operation on the Ukrainian side. Either the man is insanely lucky or a military genius. Though according to Napoleon there is no difference between the two. Most likely this guy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerii_Zaluzhnyi

This lucky military genius is doing the directing

 

[JambledUpWords]

Ok. Waiting on that big counterattack. What reserves are the Ukrainians going to use, The Reddit brigade, the Volksturm? I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, just doesn't seem likely.

Only if NATO decides to go in fully will Ukraine have enough backup reserves, but that’s unlikely unless the US does something really stupid that ends with NATO involvement.

 

[Richardface]

Not yet. But the thing is, from what I see Ukraine hasn't lost what it needs to hold in order to win. Mainly, the Dneiper Line, its Capital and Kharkiv. Ukraine executed a nearly flawless defense in depth strategy, which traded space for time while committing to defending the strategic points that absolutely had to be held. Irpin, Kharkiv and Mariople. Mariople is probably going to go, but the other two are going to hold. Which is huge, because it means that not only will the Ukrainian government remain a legitimate force, but Russia will fail to get to the part of Ukraine that actually matters for its warfighting capability. The portions west of the Dneiper. The fact that Russia has also failed to dislodge the Ukrainian regulars from the Donbass also means that mounting a counter attack in the south and east will be much easier.

Everything Russia gained it gained in the first 72 hours when they had strategic surprise. Since then its been a slow and grinding push back. Its not victory yet, but its definitely not defeat.

 

[mindlessobserver]

This lucky military genius is doing the directing
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I refuse to believe that imbecile can be winning at anything.

 

[Walrus and Carpenter]

Only if NATO decides to go in fully will Ukraine have enough backup reserves, but that’s unlikely unless the US does something really stupid that ends with NATO involvement.

If NATO goes in on the ground it's all over for everyone. I don't think that Ukraine is worth ending the world over, but, what do I know? I also don't think that Ukraine deserves a cent of aid from the US. That money (if it actually exists) should be used to help US citizens first.

 

[kuuu]

Georgian getting interviewed on Ukrainian TV.
Host: :asks something about Saakashvilli in Ukrainian:
Guest: Can we speak Russian?
Host: We can't speak Russian on national TV.
Guest: Shall I reply in Georgian then?

oof