Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

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  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%

  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

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Spicey McHaggis said:
I have to say, I'm pretty impressed that the ukies have managed to keep any air assets operational this long. I wonder if they didn't have some already dispersed at hidden airfields or something like that before the war started.
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Some have theorised that Ukraine has been hiding a lot of its assets for a possible larger push by the Russians. Trying to explain why so few Ukrainian tanks and helicopters have been deployed, and footage of the Ukrainians moving heavy equipment into civilian parking garages in Kiev and Lviv
 
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Smity Werbenjagermanjensen said:
SAMs have always been shit at detecting fast moving helicopters flying at low attitude, main threat to a fast moving, but low flying helicopter is MANPADs. Considering Kharkiv to Belgorod is only some 60 kilometers it's fairly believable to successfully strike it at night.
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I'm aware there's no good defense against air breathing threats, particularity fast moving ones, but consider the dumb shit they've said about their systems in the recent past.

After the 2018 Syria cruise missile attack they claimed Syrian operated Russian AA shot down like 3/4 of the 100+ missiles even though we could clearly see several targets in the heart of Damascus completely obliterated. The year before after the smaller attack they claimed over half had been shot down or "failed to reach the target" literally hours afterwards while the whole world was looking at civilian satellite photos of all the publicly declared targets clearly having been hit.
 
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Übertroon said:
Some have theorised that Ukraine has been hiding a lot of its assets for a possible larger push by the Russians. Trying to explain why so few Ukrainian tanks and helicopters have been deployed, and footage of the Ukrainians moving heavy equipment into civilian parking garages in Kiev and Lviv
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Back during the cold war, nato wrestled with the same problem, aka what to do when all your airfields are most likely to get hit on opening day. It's what led to the development of the harrier, they planned to operate them out of small dispersed airfields. I imagine they had a similar plan for helicopters, not too much of a stretch to assume they'd train the ukies to do the same.
 
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What I learned about the war today:
  • More and more evidence that the people in the east and south of Ukraine seriously hate the Ukraine regime and particularly Asov. If they weren't Putin fans before they are now as it is the Russians rescuing them from their conscripted roles as human shields.
  • A helicopter goes into Mariupol to rescue high ranking Asov officials and Russia shoots it down before it lands. 2 more Uke choppers are sent in and the Russians work smarter, not harder and let them land, wait for them to load up with Nazis and then shoot them both out of the sky. No survivors in one and the 3 survivors in the second are now POWs.
  • Kherson is now under total Russian control, They are putting Russian sympathizers in key administrative positions and it is possible that the region will ask for independence from Kiev.
  • Mariupol has fallen and will be under Russian administrative control within days.
  • The entirety of the rest of the world is lining up against the west. This war is going decimate western power structures and the petro dollar is in a death spiral. I still don't know if western elites are competently carrying out their plan to control the demise of the free world or if one weak president can do this much damage to the geopolitical landscape in a single year. Maybe both. How could have the retards I follow on the internet know that the sanctions were going to hurt the west more than they hurt Russia but US policy makers and the 3 letter brigade did not?
  • China wins another war without firing a single shot. Taiwan is in the same boat as the petro dollar. It is only a matter of time before it sinks.
If anyone had told me 5 years ago that today I would be unironically rootin for Putin in a global proxy war I would have said that a lot of really fucked up shit would have to occur in a short period of time for that to happen, Like governments taking away our basic human rights and fixing elections and other unimaginable shit. And here we are.


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ditto said:
Isn't NATO supplying obsene amount of new equipment on the regular? For every one destroyed there's probably 5 shrink-wrapped in some base in Turkey waiting for delivery.
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They're one of the few things (publicly) off the table, but I seriously won't be surprised if they're getting dealt some underhand.

As far as the strike, I think the Ukies will keep hitting Russian ammo and fuel dumps in Russia for as long as they can every now and then, not only can it interfere with the already strained logistics of Russia, but also makes for good morale boosting on the Homefront.
 
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ditto said:
Isn't NATO supplying obsene amount of new equipment on the regular? For every one destroyed there's probably 5 shrink-wrapped in some base in Turkey waiting for delivery.
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No, nato is mainly giving them small arms. The Ukrainians operate mostly old soviet aircraft, providing them with more isn't an option. If you give the Ukrainians say an apache helicopter, its not useful to them, because they have nobody trained to fly it, nobody trained on maintaining it(big deal on western helicopters), and most importantly, they have no munitions for western ones. The hookups for western and soviet/Russian munitions are not compatible.
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
I need an accurate map and known positions, but I think it could be done without refueling and what they're flying may not be Ukrainian at all.
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They're not flying non Ukrainian aircraft. Full stop. There's a multitude of reasons it's just not an option, the political ones completely aside. Also even western helicopters couldn't reach that far, and AFAIK the ukies don't have air refueling, and you can't borrow western stuff for it, because it's not compatible.
 
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Richardface said:
Zelensk'yyy firing two generals of his own counter-intelligence service for treason


They were the head of internal security generally and the head of security for Kherson. Think the reason Kherson fell so rapidly involved some Ukranian defections or prearranged surrenders.
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Holy fuck did some more digging and the head of the SBU, Ukraine's counter-intelligence service, was a stand up comic prior to his appointment

 
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JosephStalin said:
There's a Kalashnikov USA that makes weapons. Not connected with the Russian Kalashnikov organization, apparently.


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I'm aware of them but I dunno, they need to expand their selection a little bit I think. A friend has a KP-9 from them, it's basically a Vityaz clone. Not the cheapest 9mm but I haven't heard anything bad about it from him.

Might consider their AK-103 clone myself, can't see 5.45 being a practical option unless someone domestic starts swaging out some brass or steel cased stuff.

Maybe someone can arrange a business deal with Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan for some cartridges but I don't know if there's any restrictions on those countries as far as that stuff is concerned.

There was some Made in Ukraine ammunition going around for a while but I don't believe we will see more for the foreseeable future.
 
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ditto said:
Isn't NATO supplying obsene amount of new equipment on the regular? For every one destroyed there's probably 5 shrink-wrapped in some base in Turkey waiting for delivery.
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I'm not sure if any aircraft have been delivered, it's hard to hide and it wouldn't surprise anyone for Russia to ruin it. Anything smaller than a vehicle seems to be fair game but who knows?
 
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Aidan said:
I'm not sure if any aircraft have been delivered, it's hard to hide and it wouldn't surprise anyone for Russia to ruin it. Anything smaller than a vehicle seems to be fair game but who knows?
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If Ukraine wanted to be flying western aircraft right now, they needed to start doing it two years ago at least. You can't just hop into one aircraft and fly it because you can fly a different aircraft.
 
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