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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Understandable. The myth of "Invincible Russian Horde" has engrained so much in people's subconsciousness worldwide it's hard to accept the reality that Russia's military is as weak as this. There are still lots of people who won't accept that yet, unfortunately. Even my father still believe it despite my best efforts to explain the truth
Hell it's still throwing me for a loop. I've always thought that after the absolute hell that was the 90s for Russia they'd managed to reform their army into something leaner and meaner that while it probably couldn't outright beat NATO in a conventional war it could give them quite a bloody nose. Of course their T-14 and Su-57 and hypersonic wunderwaffe was probably bullshit they couldn't afford to fund in any meaningful amount but I actually thought their EWAR and air defense and modernized Soviet AFVs were still nothing to sneeze at and that they'd have no real problem rolling over Ukraine. The reality of the decaying gopnik tsardom being in this advanced stage of collapse already is kind of wild to actually behold, I thought they still had another decade at least before the post-Soviet rot became terminal.
 
Zelensky dismisses two of his top Generals, calls them "Russian traitors"

"Today another decision was made. Regarding antiheroes. Now I do not have time to deal with all the traitors. But gradually they will all be punished,. That is why the ex-chief of the Main Department of Internal Security of the Security Service of Ukraine Naumov Andriy Olehovych and the former head of the Office of the Security Service of Ukraine in the Kherson region Kryvoruchko Serhiy Oleksandrovych are no longer generals," according to the presidency's website.

These were top command posts. With the "Main Department of Internal Security" being the country's main intelligence agency.

The president didn't specify what the allegations were, or the precise nature of their alleged traitorous activities, only do say they "have not decided where their homeland is" - suggesting perhaps pro-Russian sympathies, or also refusal to carry out state orders at the command level.

Also...

Russia’s ruble has almost totally recovered to prewar levels

...the ruble’s recovery could be a sign that the sanctions in their current form are not working as powerfully as Ukraine's allies counted on when it comes to pressuring Putin to pull his troops from Ukraine.
 
Understandable. The myth of "Invincible Russian Horde" has engrained so much in people's subconsciousness worldwide it's hard to accept the reality that Russia's military is as weak as this. There are still lots of people who won't accept that yet, unfortunately. Even my father still believe it despite my best efforts to explain the truth

well, I'd not call them weak, more like indifferent to losses. Russians took losses, Ukrainians took a lot of losses too and Russians still slowly making progress in the south. Russians lost 15k + at least twice that in wounded. In one conscript session they could raise 130'000. They have put millions into meat grinder before.

During WWII, first days of barbarossa, Soviet losses were in hundreds of thousands, closer to over million soon after, so much that POWs alone completely overwhelmed Nazis, and Soviets just kept throwing more meat into the grinder.

The real question is how many people would EU or US would be OK with loosing before people start taking it to the streets? Would 5k coffins coming back to US make a splash in public opinion? 10k, 15k? Iraq was 4.5k KIA, Afganistan 2.5k, 15k in one month would be pretty fucking horrific. Not for Russia though,


Zelensky dismisses two of his top Generals, calls them "Russian traitors"
"In a highly unusual move, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has removed two of this own generals for being "traitors" - as he announced in a Friday post on the presidency's website. "

They left Ukraine hours before Russian troops crossed the border, they are under investigation as to the extent of why and how they left, but basically the fact of desertion alone is enough to strip them of their ranks for now.


you still can't buy foreign currency as a private party, only as "organization" and even then, not actual (1&0) "currency"

they can literally make ruble worth anything 100$, 1$ ... whatever, even worse than China which actually has open market (despite manipulating it)
 
The only way this war could be more stupid is if Putin now decided to go to war with Japan, too.
 

China staged a huge cyberattack on Ukraine’s military and nuclear facilities in the build-up to Russia’s invasion, according to intelligence memos obtained by The Times.

More than 600 websites belonging to the defence ministry in Kyiv and other institutions suffered thousands of hacking attempts which were co-ordinated by the Chinese government, according to Ukraine’s security service, the SBU.
The spy agency revealed that, in an apparent sign of complicity in the invasion, Chinese attacks started before the end of the Winter Olympics and peaked onFebruary 23, the day before Russian troops and tanks crossed the border.


Times is not some cheap tabloid after big headlines and allegations they are leveling is basically that China attacked Ukraine in concert with Russia. SBU is Ukraine's intelligence service and I'd assume that this is corroborated with evidence from other intel agencies.

Cyberwarfare is becoming as legit as physical attacks and in some cases more destructive economically. I'd keep this in mind as I am sure this may come up again.
 
They left Ukraine hours before Russian troops crossed the border, they are under investigation as to the extent of why and how they left, but basically the fact of desertion alone is enough to strip them of their ranks for now.

If that were the case, how incompetent is Zelensky to let them remain as generals this long?
 
I have to humbly eat crow: I didn't think Ukraine had a snowball's chance in Hell of lasting. I wasn't counting on Russians being as colossally retarded as this.
I honestly don't understand how they could have fucked up this badly. I would have thought that the Russians would be leveling all major Ukrainian defensive positions with artillery and bombers by now, and then sending the troops in; but lol nope apparently.

/int/ must be having a field day with this shit.
 
If that were the case, how incompetent is Zelensky to let them remain as generals this long?
More competent then Putin who has god knows how many high ranking people in house arrest some for selling military assets like oil on black market, half of his oligarch friends skipping to Israel, way more generals KIA and took a month to barely gain control over a few relatively small cities of a country that up until a month ago everyone, myself included though Russia would completely streamroll in a week.
 
Hell it's still throwing me for a loop. I've always thought that after the absolute hell that was the 90s for Russia they'd managed to reform their army into something leaner and meaner that while it probably couldn't outright beat NATO in a conventional war it could give them quite a bloody nose. Of course their T-14 and Su-57 and hypersonic wunderwaffe was probably bullshit they couldn't afford to fund in any meaningful amount but I actually thought their EWAR and air defense and modernized Soviet AFVs were still nothing to sneeze at and that they'd have no real problem rolling over Ukraine. The reality of the decaying gopnik tsardom being in this advanced stage of collapse already is kind of wild to actually behold, I thought they still had another decade at least before the post-Soviet rot became terminal.

It's all garbage. It's all fucking garbage. Russia's military is the Phantom Console of war equipment. Since 2003...well, shit, since 1991 I've heard nothing but how the US would get its shit pushed in by a "peer opponent". Russia can't keep a lid on Ukraine, therefore, we have no peer opponents.

Tom Clancy must be smiling down from Technothriller Author's Heaven.
 
It's all garbage. It's all fucking garbage. Russia's military is the Phantom Console of war equipment. Since 2003...well, shit, since 1991 I've heard nothing but how the US would get its shit pushed in by a "peer opponent". Russia can't keep a lid on Ukraine, therefore, we have no peer opponents.

Tom Clancy must be smiling down from Technothriller Author's Heaven.
I wonder how US MIC is feeling after seeing this shitshow. They'll have to double-down on China now because I don't think they can shake down Congress for extra shekels while crying about Big Bad Russia anymore.
 
If that were the case, how incompetent is Zelensky to let them remain as generals this long?
Russia sounds like they were trying to bribe anyone they could in Ukraine to allow them to just waltz in and take over without a fight, so only having a couple generals actually do just that really seems like a low number. Also there was a the issue of the whole "fog of war" preventing people really knowing what was happening in different places that resulted in that Snake Island story, so maybe they just plain didn't know what the fuck was going on with these two generals they lost touch with?
 
I wonder if these generals maybe said something along the lines if "You're getting our civilians killed. Start negotiating!" and Zelensky went apeshit on them.

Also LOL @ the Ruble recovery. No shit that was gonna happen when China, India, and most of Europe are still buying Russian gas and oil.

Sanctions only work when everyone plays along.
 
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I wonder how US MIC is feeling after seeing this shitshow. They'll have to double-down on China now because I don't think they can shake down Congress for extra shekels while crying about Big Bad Russia anymore.
Good luck with that. Chances are good their military is in even worse state than Russia's. They've been doing pretty fucking badly in the Himalayas against a bunch of people who can't even poop in toilets. I mean, I'm pretty sure the Russian soldiers are at least vaccinated. Meanwhile there was a scandal a little while back about how the person selling needles to the Chinese military was caught substituting the nickel with cheaper stuff, making them too brittle to be safely used. Plus their MREs are the only ones that YouTuber can't manage to choke down.

Oh, and they need to completely throw out half their AFV's, if not more, since the post-Deng food surpluses from foreign trade have made the average Chinese person too big to fit their older equipment.
 
I wonder how US MIC is feeling after seeing this shitshow. They'll have to double-down on China now because I don't think they can shake down Congress for extra shekels while crying about Big Bad Russia anymore.
They already are. Buzzwords like "Pivot" are being used to explain why we can't use the downfall of Russia as a reason to draw down defense. Personally I think it's a good idea as we run the risk of getting cocky and ending up like Europe where we get complacent.
 
Buzzwords like "Pivot" are being used to explain why we can't use the downfall of Russia as a reason to draw down defense.

My problem is that the very seven headed demon I gladly cheered on even unto recent years will "pivot" exactly 180' and the masturbatory fantasies of the lefties in congress about clusterbombing red states who dare to go against The Narrative will become the new Warh awn Terruh.
 
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Russian soldier dies from radiation poisoning in Chernobyl​

Serviceman was part of a unit camped in the toxic nearby Red Forest, clueless about what they were being exposed to
ByJames Kilner1 April 2022 • 7:02pm

Radiation from the destroyed Chernobyl nuclear plant in Ukraine has reportedly killed one Russian soldier after his unit camped in a toxic area known as the Red Forest.

The soldier was part of a team that captured the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, 65 miles north of Kyiv, in the first days of the war.
They then occupied the 20-mile exclusion zone around the plant, where people are banned from living, dug trenches into radioactive mud and drove their trucks along dirt roads, kicking up radioactive dust.

Now ill and exhausted, they have retreated to Belarus.

"The Russian occupiers have left the Chernobyl nuclear power plant," said Ukraine's defence ministry. "Two key reasons: losses caused by the Ukrainian army and radiation exposure."

While the disaster of the nuclear power plant explosion at Chernobyl in 1986 is well documented in the West and was the subject of an award-winning BBC drama in 2019, it is relatively unknown in Russia.

It is unlikely that the Russian soldiers, mainly conscripts from the poorer fringes of Russia, would have known about the dark history of the abandoned power plant that they had been ordered to capture.
They did not even know that they were going to war when they were told to invade Ukraine on February 24. Their officers had told them that they were still on a military exercise and they were not issued with any radiation protection suits.

After capturing the nuclear power station, the Russian soldiers were ordered to camp in the wood, known locally as the Red Forest because of the colour it turned after soaking up radiation from the nuclear explosion.

Russian commanders may not have known about the wood's reputation as a radiation hotbed, or may not have cared.

Either way, it points yet again to poor planning and poor leadership within the Russian army. Its reputation for competence and as an effective modern fighting force has been ripped apart over the past five weeks of war in Ukraine, in which thousands of conscripts have been killed.

The Kremlin has tried to suppress news of the Russian army's casualties and military blunders. Many of the injured and dead soldiers from its failed assault on Kyiv are being treated in Gomel, a border town in Belarus, where doctors and nurses have previously told The Telegraph that they have been sworn to secrecy.
Looks like we can add the first of several more to Chernobyl's body count. God, I don't even want to think about how many rads you'll soak up from playing around in radioactive mud.
 
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Looks like we can add the first of several more to Chernobyl's body count. God, I don't even want to think about how many rads you'll soak up from playing around in radioactive mud.
Or the dummies using radioactive trees for firewood.
I really can't believe how much we overestimated the intelligence of the Russian army. They really did just scrape random gopniks off the street and pack them into the army, did they? Or brought in some random bum who was sleeping on the sidewalk because he was piss-ass drunk from downing another bottle of vodka.......

You'd think Chernobyl as an event and a location would be something that these people would remember. Kind of like how 9/11 would be for Americans, especially New Yorkers. But no, they really were just that stupid. Digging in the radioactive soil, using radioactive trees for fire, I can't see how the Russiaboos can spin this. This is incompetence on a massive scale. They make Saddam's army look well-organized by comparison, and that army was easily crushed by the West.

My problem is that the very seven headed demon I gladly cheered on even unto recent years will "pivot" exactly 180' and the masturbatory fantasies of the lefties in congress about clusterbombing red states who dare to go against The Narrative will become the new Warh awn Terruh.
I highly doubt that would happen. The left lets them hang around on purpose because they are "controlled opposition". A good chunk of the modern right are just about the most obnoxious and off-putting group of folks that they drive many people in the middle into the arms of the Left. Why destroy your best advertisement, let alone your breadbasket?
 
You'd think Chernobyl as an event and a location would be something that these people would remember.
Why? Russia has done everything it can to bury awareness of that event among their own people due to what a fuckup it was at every single level. Its an absolutely massive embarrassment and proof the USSR was utterly unsustainable, and so the Russian people can't be allowed to know anything beyond the basic details that something bad happened there.
 
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