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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I really doubt this is one is staged, as many others, too much effort for little gain. There are tens of thousands of soldiers, whoever can steal/loot a phone would try to call back. Keep in mind, some haven't really talked to their folks back home in over a month. SBU intercepts all cell traffic, there is nothing out of the ordinary.

I'm a native speaker, there are a lot of swearing and figures of speach which may be hard to translate automatically, simply because swearing can be extremely flexible and depends a lot on a region.

"millions have died" is a figure of speach, he doesn't mean that many soldiers, just that there a lot and he had seen trucks after trucks loaded with bodies.
Yeah, that's why I'm looking for a source where someone translated it, not really interested in machine translation as that tends to lose a lot of context or is simply inaccurate. Kinda wish I didn't slack during my Russian classes because it's just interesting to me to hear what these people have to say for themselves to people they love and trust.

Just wondering if anyone knows some site/channel that takes their time to do translations. Really, Ukrainians should be subbing all that so people in the west can get exposed to it more easily if it's real.

I'm also kind of annoyed at how media and mainstream censors death and the general horror of war, blurring everything, cutting when SHTF and adding trigger warnings to everything, people should see it all at it's worst, media is kind of turning it into a fucking video game match commentary.
 
Anyone knows of a place that has translated transcripts (or subbed) of all of those captured "Russian soldat (not a POW) calls mom/wife" phonecalls?

I mean like this one - [Twitter - ServiceSsu]

In this one supposedly the soldat is talking about how putin is an idiot, millions(!?) have died and for what and the only way he goes back to Russia is on a KIA/WIA transport truck. Woman tries to console him telling him she saw a fortune teller that foresaw the war in 2020 on TV saying the war will end with victory on 13th of April.

I can believe it, what little I know of Russian kinda maybe sorta checks out but I understand maybe every 5th word, wish I had a place that translates those.

Edit: Idk what to think about those, I'm 65% convinced they may all be staged, they're interesting to listen to regardless.
Russian is my native tongue, all of the POW videos I've seen are 100% convincing, sometimes they misspeak or say dumb shit because they're nervous, other times it seems like they were allowed to prepare a speech (perhaps they only get one call, so better make it count)
Same story with the intercepted calls, I have no reason to doubt that they're genuine. Dunno if there's any sites with translation though.
 
Yeah, that's why I'm looking for a source where someone translated it, not really interested in machine translation as that tends to lose a lot of context or is simply inaccurate. Kinda wish I didn't slack during my Russian classes because it's just interesting to me to hear what these people have to say for themselves to people they love and trust.

Just wondering if anyone knows some site/channel that takes their time to do translations. Really, Ukrainians should be subbing all that so people in the west can get exposed to it more easily if it's real.

I'm also kind of annoyed at how media and mainstream censors death and the general horror of war, blurring everything, cutting when SHTF and adding trigger warnings to everything, people should see it all at it's worst, media is kind of turning it into a fucking video game match commentary.
I remmber my history teacher showing us real pictures of u.s captives in the middle east all beating up and mangle. Sometimes people need to reminding of the horrors of the world
 
I remmber my history teacher showing us real pictures of u.s captives in the middle east all beating up and mangle. Sometimes people need to reminding of the horrors of the world
Exactly, we live in a very filtered reality and "protecting" people from certain realities has consequences like those two swedish(?) girls that went to the middle east for a biking trip to prove that all people there are inherently good, that it's all islamophobic propaganda and ended up beheaded.

I also think if more people saw how absolutely mangled and stripped of dignity some soldier corpses look they'd rethink their "I wanna go fuck shit up" bullcrap.
 
No, they're just high velocity missiles. Because fuck you. Ideally they're short-range missiles against helicopters and low flying jets. It was designed as a replacement for the British/Canadian Javelin which was a short-range anti-air missile system.

Most hilariously terrifying part is they're immune to IR countermeasures. So they can hurl chaff out as much as they like, you're still fucked.
Its a beam-riding laser-guided missile, so usually a target (especially an airborne one) can throw a laser guided missile by maneuvering and causing the user to manually lose track of the target.
However, if the missile is fast enough it's less time to the target and less time for the target to respond, thus mitigating some of the ability of the target to maneuver (or even realize the missile is coming in some cases without MLD).

Additionally helicopters & A-10/Su-25 style low & slow brrrrt jets don't have the maneuverability that some shit like an F-15E or Su-30 dropping guided munitions on you from 5 miles away do.
 
Its a beam-riding laser-guided missile, so usually a target (especially an airborne one) can throw a laser guided missile by maneuvering and causing the user to manually lose track of the target.
However, if the missile is fast enough it's less time to the target and less time for the target to respond, thus mitigating some of the ability of the target to maneuver (or even realize the missile is coming in some cases without MLD).

Additionally helicopters & A-10/Su-25 style low & slow brrrrt jets don't have the maneuverability that some shit like an F-15E or Su-30 dropping guided munitions on you from 5 miles away do.
Has anyone tried hooking up laser-guiding to an articulating AI camera with some sort of recognition software that would target and track aircraft/helis?
Seems feasible to me. That way you're removing human factor and get perfect guidance.
 
Exactly, we live in a very filtered reality and "protecting" people from certain realities has consequences like those two swedish(?) girls that went to the middle east for a biking trip to prove that all people there are inherently good, that it's all islamophobic propaganda and ended up beheaded.

I also think if more people saw how absolutely mangled and stripped of dignity some soldier corpses look they'd rethink their "I wanna go fuck shit up" bullcrap.
Yeah i feel you weren't have as many foolish people in the world. If you showed them the offer crimes that certain countries and war have done.
 
Has anyone tried hooking up laser-guiding to an articulating AI camera with some sort of recognition software that would target and track aircraft/helis?
Seems feasible to me. That way you're removing human factor and get perfect guidance.
I'm pretty sure there is a form of automatic command line-of-sight where the computer tracks the target with radar but actually directs the missile via laser or radio/datalink, but I don't have any examples off the top of my head.

The flaw to that is that its easier to fool a computer than a person.
 
The Abrams isn't a spring chicken anymore either, the design is 42 years old as of this year.
And in return they get Abrams and whatever comes after Bradley (the M2 is a fine vehicle but it's 40 years old, it's time to move on)
One major detail need to be kept in mind, beggers can't be choosers. So if Ukraine wants anything better, they better be able to pay one way or another. Which if Ukraine does have sufficient amount of cash, gas, grass or ass on hand, there is plenty of sellers new and old looking for work and more importantly the rep boost for themselves and sold product.
 
One major detail need to be kept in mind, beggers can't be choosers. So if Ukraine wants anything better, they better be able to pay one way or another. Which if Ukraine does have sufficient amount of cash, gas, grass or ass on hand, there is plenty of sellers new and old looking for work and more importantly the rep boost for themselves and sold product.
Well, they've got a lot of aid in $ that could be put toward this task.
The problem here is that Ukraine did try to acquire more advanced western armaments before the invasion, but US and Canada were very reluctant to do so because they were too afraid to anger Russia, so Ukraine got cockblocked on that front.
Now that Ukraine proved itself as no pushover, and exposed Russia for the paper tiger it is, they're actually willing to send weapons. But whether they're ready to actually sell more advanced stuff remains unclear, the fact that it could fall into Russian hands could be among the reasons why they don't do it.

As demonstrated in the video I posted previously, Ukraine is sitting on a lot of wealth, they should be able to afford toys from US.
 
One major detail need to be kept in mind, beggers can't be choosers. So if Ukraine wants anything better, they better be able to pay one way or another. Which if Ukraine does have sufficient amount of cash, gas, grass or ass on hand, there is plenty of sellers new and old looking for work and more importantly the rep boost for themselves and sold product.
The West won't and couldn't sent any expensive western toys simply because it's just so unfeasible economically, politically, diplomatically, and militarily
You have demonstrated why economically, it's just simply too expensive as gifts. MANPADS and other AT weapons are way way cheaper than tanks and planes

Politically and diplomatically, sending them something like Abrams basically mean a gross escalation by the West. You don't need to be a Russia supporter to know that. Tanks and planes are extremely valuable assets, even more so if they're on class like Abrams. Gifting said vehicles can only be interpreted that the West seriously want another nuclear weapon that isn't Iran and North Korea gone, which is very bad news indeed

Militarily as well, it's a hard sell. There's still a risk those toys can be destroyed or captured, and it's remain to be analyzed by the enemy. We have confirmed reports of Russian expensive toys captured, there's no way Pentagon and Langley aren't asking Kyiv to send them to the US on express delivery. Then there's also the matter of training. It would take weeks or months to train soldiers who're new to the systems to make them an effective combat force. By that point, the war would have changed dramastically

I personally believe Zelenskiy and Kyiv knew that the West won't be able to send vehicles and toys the class of Abrams and such. Hence they've been actually targeting these Soviet weapons because those are the ones their soldiers are trained to use. All this begging is just to push the Western governments to speed things up (you know how hard it is for bureaucrats to work fast, especially when it involves people from different countries) by persuading their voters to push the governments even more
 
Big if true.

The bodies of at least 20 men in civilian clothes were found lying in a street on Saturday after Ukrainian forces retook the town of Bucha, near Kyiv, from Russian troops, according to the AFP news agency.

It reported that the hands of one of the bodies were tied, and that the corpses were strewn over several hundred metres of the residential road in the suburban town north-west of the capital.

The causes of death were not immediately clear, although at least one person had what appeared to be a large head wound.

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I don't know how big, there are multiple reports, some say 16-60 some 18+, but seems like methodical killing of male civs in various locations

I don't know how this would escalate anything, civs have been shot before and systemically, sad but how does it change anything?

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The West won't and couldn't sent any expensive western toys simply because it's just so unfeasible economically, politically, diplomatically, and militarily
You have demonstrated why economically, it's just simply too expensive as gifts. MANPADS and other AT weapons are way way cheaper than tanks and planes

Politically and diplomatically, sending them something like Abrams basically mean a gross escalation by the West. You don't need to be a Russia supporter to know that. Tanks and planes are extremely valuable assets, even more so if they're on class like Abrams. Gifting said vehicles can only be interpreted that the West seriously want another nuclear weapon that isn't Iran and North Korea gone, which is very bad news indeed

Militarily as well, it's a hard sell. There's still a risk those toys can be destroyed or captured, and it's remain to be analyzed by the enemy. We have confirmed reports of Russian expensive toys captured, there's no way Pentagon and Langley aren't asking Kyiv to send them to the US on express delivery. Then there's also the matter of training. It would take weeks or months to train soldiers who're new to the systems to make them an effective combat force. By that point, the war would have changed dramastically

I personally believe Zelenskiy and Kyiv knew that the West won't be able to send vehicles and toys the class of Abrams and such. Hence they've been actually targeting these Soviet weapons because those are the ones their soldiers are trained to use. All this begging is just to push the Western governments to speed things up (you know how hard it is for bureaucrats to work fast, especially when it involves people from different countries) by persuading their voters to push the governments even more

Germany again sending their museum stores to Ukraine:


The German Ministry of Defense approved the supply of 58 PbV-501 infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine from the GDR warehouses in the Czech Republic.
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It is probably a reasonable bit of kit, but it seems a bit like the Germans are doing the minimum to avoid any gas delivery issues. It seems close to tokenism. The NVA were one of the best of the Warsaw Pact forces, but that was a little while ago.

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Obviously reports have to have an implicit health warning, but it does make it doubly clear that RU really seem to be concentrating on that bit of Novorossiya, between the Donbass and Kherson, and perhaps the target will be a fully cleared strip by 5th May.
 
Politically and diplomatically, sending them something like Abrams basically mean a gross escalation by the West.
West has been playing nice with Vlad is the exact reason why we are in this shit.

Vlad is gopnick, a street thug who reads your body language better than psych PhD and would never pick a fight with anyone but a victim. If you just show a willingness to fight, he will back down. This is exactly why he trolled NATO hard, good for them that they stuck together, but they show themselves weak and indecisive.

This is exactly why Crimean sanctions were weak sauce and laughable, and the gopnik will continue to victimize Ukraine or anyone as long as there is no response. Call it bully syndrome, whatever, he will not back down, Ukraine, Poland ... if I were Vlad I'd start with tiny Estonia. They could have steamrolled it in a day even if they had to make bridges from bodies of their soldiers and NATO would just let them go ... and that would be the end of NATO. because ultimately it's up to nukes and West is scared of nothing else.


Militarily as well, it's a hard sell. There's still a risk those toys can be destroyed or captured, and it's remain to be analyzed by the enemy.

something else West is not ready for is collapse of Russia. I get it, it's a headache, but ... it's cancer. It will spread, if not Putin, Putin 2.0 will shake nukes and bully his neighbors and ultimately entire EU and US.

Russia is cancer, West needs to come to terms with this and then deal with it now. If Putin stands, he will be an inspiration to every budding dictator out there. This problem is bigger than Ukraine, so one country or most countries need to figure this shit out.

If Russia does not collapse, it will lick it's wounds, and start massing nukes instead of tanks. No worries, they will find other ways to fuck with the West, like proliferating nukes around the world to their supporters, there are plenty of ways to do it. Ultimately, if not today, in 10-20 years we may be here again with Putin 2.0 He will not change, he has no reason to.

2014 ... I was saying this shit, we would back where we are today, because in 2014 no one wanted to deal with this shit.
 
What are the Putin simps talking points now since Ukraine hasn't fallen in 3 weeks as they predicted?
 
I don't know how big, there are multiple reports, some say 16-60 some 18+, but seems like methodical killing of male civs in various locations

I don't know how this would escalate anything, civs have been shot before and systemically, sad but how does it change anything?



If that has really happened, it's straight out war crime on a completely different scale from anything seen before in this war. It's one thing to shoot civilians who get caught in the crossfire between two forces, and one thing to intentionally bomb civilian buildings with artillery, but rounding up civilians from occupied territory and executing them is basically the text-book definition of genocide.
 
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