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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Puppet no, useful idiot for fucking sure.
This right here. There's a clear distinction about being a puppets and being a useful idiot. I wouldn't exactly call Trump a puppet for Kremlin, but he's certainly acting like a useful idiot for them. You can even say with the exceptions of some issues (like China, immigration, and some others), it's actually very easy to flatter Trump and his administration so long as you play as the Strongman, which Putin certainly did
 
Okay, that doesn't explain why they never built new ones on their own land, it's not like they never had the opportunity or the space for it. You don't send your shit to war without a steady supply of replacement vehicles.

There is no fucking excuse for allowing this to happen.
Firstly, it’s expensive and Russia is basically Nigeria with snow. Building a new factory wasn’t possible. Secondly, the Russians until 2014 had relatively good relations with the Ukrainian defense industry and that included the manufacturing of parts they simply couldn’t make themselves in a cost effective manner. They didn’t need to look elsewhere for a while.

There isn’t an excuse aside from the fact that the Russian defense industry and department is corrupt as fuck and not very forward thinking and would rather waste money on legacy projects than go all in on doing something new.

EDIT: Also, Marvin, he’s talking about Razza, not me.
 
I seem to be the odd person. Here as in I hate Russia and Russia simps. But I don't blame Trump for any of this and I feel he wasn't soft on Russia at all.

This is why I don't feel like both threads fit me honestly. Since I disagree with both on certin things. This one I agree with 90% with to say the least.

But I don't feel like getting in a dumb argument wait now.

Let's just agree with that Russia killed innocent people.
 
Considering they were tied up, many of them local figures of authority, and plenty of them women who were raped then killed, I doubt it was the Ukrainians.

Okay, but please be advised "local figures of authority" are often targets of their own people in the best of times, and rape is even more common than that. You're making an assumption, which is EXACTLY why these crimes are so very common in war, everything is blamed on the soldiers; we only find out the truth later (if at all).

With so many dead, it's just blind luck if any evidence comes to light, like video or "trophies".

Oh come on your following for the old "Trump was a Russian puppet" lie. Following your posts I thought you were better than that.

edit: And to add to it turns out Biden and his family were indeed hiding shady dealings in Ukraine.

Biden AND Trump have a long history of shady business with Russians and Ukrainians.
 
I seem to be the odd person. Here as in I hate Russia and Russia simps. But I don't blame Trump for any of this and I feel he wasn't soft on Russia at all.

This is why I don't feel like both threads fit me honestly. Since I disagree with both on certin things. This one I agree with 90% with to say the least.

But I don't feel like getting in a dumb argument wait now.

Let's just agree with that Russia killed innocent people.
A valid point.

Okay, but please be advised "local figures of authority" are often targets of their own people in the best of times, and rape is even more common than that. You're making an assumption, which is EXACTLY why these crimes are so very common in war, everything is blamed on the soldiers; we only find out the truth later (if at all).

With so many dead, it's just blind luck if any evidence comes to light, like video or "trophies".
It's the same style of shit the Russians did in Chechnya. Same MO, same plan, same objective. Quit being delusional.
 
Okay, but please be advised "local figures of authority" are often targets of their own people in the best of times, and rape is even more common than that. You're making an assumption, which is EXACTLY why these crimes are so very common in war, everything is blamed on the soldiers; we only find out the truth later (if at all).

With so many dead, it's just blind luck if any evidence comes to light, like video or "trophies".



Biden AND Trump have a long history of shady business with Russians and Ukrainians.
You know I won't lie I originally thought you were a troll in the Biden Megathread. But I'm seeing a different side to you. That I'm amazed I hadn't really seen before.
 
It's the same style of shit the Russians did in Chechnya. Same MO, same plan, same objective. Quit being delusional.

It's not a delusion to know when you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME. *sigh*

You know I won't lie I originally thought you were a troll in the Biden Megathread. But I'm seeing a different side to you. That I'm amazed I hadn't really seen before.

I'm a real human boy! I don't troll here, nobody would notice.
 
To me, Russia is more of a dark mirror of what the meme right wants, a monke's paw of their goals. Oh you got a national divorce and the corrupt big government ruling you collapsed? Well now you live in a shell of it lorded over by glowies of the old regime. You want the government to openly celebrate your patriotic past again? Well now they've formed a near death cult around WW2 and your military might rests on the rusting leftovers from when you were strong. You want traitors to leave? Well they do, as well as anyone who can afford to which just leaves you with massive brain drain and you're still getting demographically replaced anyway. You want the government to promote traditional values? Well now they do but your birth rates are still collapsing, HIV is rampant, and masculinity is expressed at its purest by anally dominating other men. Russia isn't a viable alternative to globohomo, it might as well be a fucking advertisement for it.
Basically, yes.

The right wants a government that is strong against foreign threats but does little for welfare; Russia has that. The Russian government spends billions every day in its war against Ukraine, while the average Russian lives in abject poverty.

The right wants a country that strongly projects "Christian values". Russia has that with their Orthodox Church, which is supported by the State. Oh, and by the way, the Church has been thoroughly infiltrated by the KGB decades ago, and its higher-ups are basically Kremlin stooges who preach obedience to the law.

The right wants a government that doesn't butt in on economic matters like trust-busting, well, Russia has that: they have oligarchs who monopolized Russian businesses, which is what happens when robber barons and their monopolies aren't kept in check. This has led to a massive brain drain where industrious and intelligent Russians who can't make it big thanks to the monopolies, flee to America to start their business, instead of making money at home and paying taxes to the Kremlin.

The right wants a masculine, militaristic, and patriotic culture where real men give their lives for the nation. Russia has that; as you said, they created a death cult around WW2 where they make sure everyone never forgets their role in it. Not to mention that in this war against Ukraine, their war against "GLOBOHOMO", they've got no concerns for the lives of their soldiers. And of course, their definition of "real men" basically amounts to the old Roman way where the "real men" exert their dominance by sexually abusing younger boys.

The right wants a strong man to rally behind, decrying previous leaders like George W. Bush as too soft. Well, Russia has that strongman in Putin, but they're stuck with him and can't get rid of him, even as his tard-raging is destroying the country.

Basically, everything that the modern right wants, Russia has. And yet it's the country where the church is the puppet of the state, boys are conscripted into an army where they're sexually abused and treated like disposable pawns, the strongman of the country is ruining it just to propel his ambitions of power, monopolies have destroyed all economic competition, and the average Russian lives in squalor while their elites live like gods on Mount Olympus, with Putin as their Zeus/Jupiter.

Russia and the modern right is the biggest case of "be careful what you wish for".

I'm curious what motivated the Russians to straight up kill these people. These obviously weren't combatants. Is this part of their terror campaign or are they taking scorched earth to the extreme and trying to get rid of all the fighting age males? Maybe this is echoing what the Serbs did in Bosnia where they killed people out of their nigger-tier sense of national pride?

Whatever the case it's hard to believe this shit is even possible in 2022 Europe.
Four words: "GOOD SOLDIERS FOLLOW ORDERS." It's been that way in Russia since Tsarist times, and the change to Communist Party bosses and capitalist oligarchs did little to make a difference. Russia has always been an imperial culture where questioning orders is met, at most, with a slap to the face, and at worst, with a one-way ticket to Siberia. Or a bullet to the head.
 
It's not a delusion to know when you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME. *sigh*



I'm a real human boy! I don't troll here, nobody would notice.
Indeed. Who knew such a tragedy like the invasion of Ukraine would make me agree with people I once thought were noting but trolls. It makes you wonder, you know.
Basically, yes.

The right wants a government that is strong against foreign threats but does little for welfare; Russia has that. The Russian government spends billions every day in its war against Ukraine, while the average Russian lives in abject poverty.

The right wants a country that strongly projects "Christian values". Russia has that with their Orthodox Church, which is supported by the State. Oh, and by the way, the Church has been thoroughly infiltrated by the KGB decades ago, and its higher-ups are basically Kremlin stooges who preach obedience to the law.

The right wants a government that doesn't butt in on economic matters like trust-busting, well, Russia has that: they have oligarchs who monopolized Russian businesses, which is what happens when robber barons and their monopolies aren't kept in check. This has led to a massive brain drain where industrious and intelligent Russians who can't make it big thanks to the monopolies, flee to America to start their business, instead of making money at home and paying taxes to the Kremlin.

The right wants a masculine, militaristic, and patriotic culture where real men give their lives for the nation. Russia has that; as you said, they created a death cult around WW2 where they make sure everyone never forgets their role in it. Not to mention that in this war against Ukraine, their war against "GLOBOHOMO", they've got no concerns for the lives of their soldiers. And of course, their definition of "real men" basically amounts to the old Roman way where the "real men" exert their dominance by sexually abusing younger boys.

The right wants a strong man to rally behind, decrying previous leaders like George W. Bush as too soft. Well, Russia has that strongman in Putin, but they're stuck with him and can't get rid of him, even as his tard-raging is destroying the country.

Basically, everything that the modern right wants, Russia has. And yet it's the country where the church is the puppet of the state, boys are conscripted into an army where they're sexually abused and treated like disposable pawns, the strongman of the country is ruining it just to propel his ambitions of power, monopolies have destroyed all economic competition, and the average Russian lives in squalor while their elites live like gods on Mount Olympus, with Putin as their Zeus/Jupiter.

Russia and the modern right is the biggest case of "be careful what you wish for".


Four words: "GOOD SOLDIERS FOLLOW ORDERS." It's been that way in Russia since Tsarist times, and the change to Communist Party bosses and capitalist oligarchs did little to make a difference. Russia has always been an imperial culture where questioning orders is met, at most, with a slap to the face, and at worst, with a one-way ticket to Siberia. Or a bullet to the head.
I disagree with you a little. I know alot of people on the right who want a strong leader but not like someone like Putin.

Even than I want christian values back in the U.S again. But not where the Government controls the church. I want people to pray more again. I don't watch people like the Pope to endorse certain political candidates or anything.

Can we agree both the right and the left have some insane flaws. That honselty I can see both in Russia.

For me I see more left wing in Russia's government with the only exception being that Russia Hates homosexual.

I mean think about you have people on the left who claim to not hate Christians and usually surpport people who are Christian in name only. That's basically Russia with their church. It's the main reason I hate the democrats who claim to be catholic and will usually only surpport pastors or preachers who surpport their goals like socialism.

Of course with the love of the military I can see that being a extreme right wing trait.

So honselty I see both hard right and hard left in the Russian government.
 
Berlin and the revenge tour through Germany was understandable on a human level. The Germans had happily torched, raped, murdered, and demolished their way through Russia, executing tens of thousands of civilians. It was the revenge of a nation that had nearly been exterminated and suffered horrific losses. This? This is different. This is the Russians acting like the Nazis did, but even worse.
Considering the Russian military have a transplanted prison culture of raping each other in the ass, it's really not too surprising at all. I'd be more surprised by it not happening.
 
Just WHY? Why would you ever put your military factories into enemy territory?
Holdovers from the Soviet era. They liked to spread industry around for various reasons. Trying to retake those factories is almost certainly a part of why he invaded in the first place.


Okay, that doesn't explain why they never built new ones on their own land, it's not like they never had the opportunity or the space for it. You don't send your shit to war without a steady supply of replacement vehicles.

There is no fucking excuse for allowing this to happen.
It's even weirder when you remember he shouldn't have needed to build new ones within Russia's borders, because the Soviets likely already had. The Soviets were pretty convinced NATO/the West were just itching for a chance to invade them. That meant building massives redundancies into their supply chain, especially for military shit, and where possible those redunancies would be in the Russian heartland because the outer republics like East Germany/Poland/Czechoslovakia/Ukraine etc would be the first to fall in the inevitable Western attacks. The problem is while the Soviets might have been happy to piss money away on backup factories "just in case", the Russians couldn't, and after the fall of the USSR the Russians opted for the much cheaper and easier route of continuing to buy shit from their semi-friendly neighbour instead of spending the money to get their factories modernized and up and running.
 
Didn't Russia create the Globohomo in the first place?
That they did. And the modern Russian leaders still think that their nation and its allies were the good guys in the Cold War.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub would sense something's wrong there.

I disagree with you a little. I know alot of people on the right who want a strong leader but not like someone like Putin.
Most right-wingers in public want Putin or someone like him in charge. Hence the massive simping for the man when he started bombing Ukraine.

Even than I want christian values back in the U.S again. But not where the Government controls the church. I want people to pray more again. I don't watch people like the Pope to endorse certain political candidates or anything.
The problem is, what happens when they don't want it? People mock the modern Catholic church, but at least the people still in it want to be there, and those that don't just leave.

Can we agree both the right and the left have some insane flaws. That honselty I can see both in Russia.
At least the modern Left complained about Russia now and then. They may be a broken clock, but in this instance, they're right.

For me I see more left wing in Russia's government with the only exception being that Russia Hates homosexual.
To be fair, their "hatred" of homosexuals is just for civilians. If you're a Russian male, and you get your ass drafted into the army, you're losing your virginity, whether you like it or not. And most likely, it will be to another man.

I mean think about you have people on the left who claim to not hate Christians and usually surpport people who are Christian in name only. That's basically Russia with their church. It's the main reason I hate the democrats who claim to be catholic and will usually only surpport pastors or preachers who surpport their goals like socialism.
True, but a lot of right-wingers see the Russian church and think it's a real representation of Christian culture. When in reality, it's just a Kremlin mouthpiece.

Have course with the love of the military I can see that being a extreme right wing trait.
Russia's love for its military is mostly about its image. They barely give a shit about all the Russian boys they've sent to their deaths.

So honselty I see both hard right and har left in the Russian government.
They were allied with the Left during the Cold War, and they've turned the Right into their political operatives in the West.
 
That they did. And the modern Russian leaders still think that their nation and its allies were the good guys in the Cold War.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub would sense something's wrong there.


Most right-wingers in public want Putin or someone like him in charge. Hence the massive simping for the man when he started bombing Ukraine.


The problem is, what happens when they don't want it? People mock the modern Catholic church, but at least the people still in it want to be there, and those that don't just leave.


At least the modern Left complained about Russia now and then. They may be a broken clock, but in this instance, they're right.


To be fair, their "hatred" of homosexuals is just for civilians. If you're a Russian male, and you get your ass drafted into the army, you're losing your virginity, whether you like it or not. And most likely, it will be to another man.


True, but a lot of right-wingers see the Russian church and think it's a real representation of Christian culture. When in reality, it's just a Kremlin mouthpiece.


Russia's love for its military is mostly about its image. They barely give a shit about all the Russian boys they've sent to their deaths.


They were allied with the Left during the Cold War, and they've turned the Right into their political operatives in the West.
When you mean Right wing. You don't mean your average conservative voters? Because that's who I am referring too. People I know like family members and friends who are conservative. All the ones i know don't surpport Putin well at the same time hate Biden and the democrats. That's who I'm talking about not some shithead on Twitter posting "based Russia" memes. But actual real people I know who don't spend all their life on social media. If you want to understand my position.

Also same people a lot of them are practicing Christians who want to see more people pray. Yet know that the Russian church are bullshiters. I'm talking people I know.
 
When you mean Right wing. You don't mean your average conservative voters? Because that's who I am referring too. People I know like family members and friends who are conservative. All the ones i know don't surpport Putin well at the same time hate Biden and the democrats. That's who I'm talking about not some shithead on Twitter posting "based Russia" memes. But actual real people I know who don't spend all their life on social media. If you want to understand my position.
I meant both of them. Both the people on the ground, and the people posting "based Russia" memes. They tend to overlap. Some conservatives I knew didn't like Putin, while others did.

Also same people a lot of them are practicing Christians who want to see more people pray. Yet know that the Russian church are bullshiters. I'm talking people I know.
People will pray when the need hits them. I noticed a lot of people praying after 9/11. As for Russia, the RoC is just a mouthpiece; some right-wingers know that, others don't.
 
I meant both of them. Both the people on the ground, and the people posting "based Russia" memes. They tend to overlap. Some conservatives I knew didn't like Putin, while others did.


People will pray when the need hits them. I noticed a lot of people praying after 9/11. As for Russia, the RoC is just a mouthpiece; some right-wingers know that, others don't.
So what your saying is my friends and family are the smart right wingers?
Well I guess that makes since after all I mentioned before my dad is a history buff.
 
Firstly, it’s expensive and Russia is basically Nigeria with snow. Building a new factory wasn’t possible. Secondly, the Russians until 2014 had relatively good relations with the Ukrainian defense industry and that included the manufacturing of parts they simply couldn’t make themselves in a cost effective manner. They didn’t need to look elsewhere for a while.
You'd think they'd keep up good relations with Ukraine considering who arms them. If Putin was rational, that's what he'd do. Apparently, as I've said, we all overestimated his capacity to make reasoned decisions.

There isn’t an excuse aside from the fact that the Russian defense industry and department is corrupt as fuck and not very forward thinking and would rather waste money on legacy projects than go all in on doing something new.
And instead of looking into that corruption, Putin decided to blow $20 billion a day and thousands of lives by invading another country. And yet the "based Russia" crowd wants us to think that this guy is a good leader who plays 4D-chess.

Otto Von Bismarck he is not.

So what your saying is my friends and family are the smart right wingers?
Yes.
 
I meant both of them. Both the people on the ground, and the people posting "based Russia" memes. They tend to overlap. Some conservatives I knew didn't like Putin, while others did.

I'm definitely noting that there are two groups of conservatives with regards to the Putin issue.

From what my admittedly limited sampling tells me, the Putin simps are the ones who were invested in the concept of being "A Conservative", capital C. While people who held views that make them a conservative are more generally inclined to see Putin for what he is.

I would call myself a conservative, but it's a descriptor, for me, not a lifestyle choice.
 
I seem to be the odd person. Here as in I hate Russia and Russia simps. But I don't blame Trump for any of this and I feel he wasn't soft on Russia at all.

This is why I don't feel like both threads fit me honestly. Since I disagree with both on certin things. This one I agree with 90% with to say the least.

But I don't feel like getting in a dumb argument wait now.

Let's just agree with that Russia killed innocent people.
Trump was the only one to approve the US engaging Russian forces in Syria so he doesn't seem like a stooge to me.
 
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