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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Are you still under the impression that 2014 was some grassroots movement? You still don't realize the CIA doesn't want what's best for Ukraine, it simply wants to spread US imperialism and it is more than happy to throw Ukrainian bodies to the bears if it opens up a few more area to our control.

"Gee guys, I wonder why Russia doesn't want the US military on their border, the US military is normally very trustworthy and the US intelligence apparatus never foments revolution in countries for $$$. We can trust them guys, right? Guys?"

Meanwhile Russia is supposed to pretend that this isn't what imperialist expansion looks like? This is the US military gobbling up more and more territory, call it what it is. Of course they see it as a threat, why wouldn't they?

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Save this drivel for someone who doesn't know any better.
You retards claim in the same breath that Ukrainians didn't really throw out Yanukovych on their own accord, that it was all orchestrated by some outside force, but the so-called Crimean referendum was totally legit, and so is the separatist movement in Donbas.

In the end, NATO didn't invade Russia, nor did Ukraine. Trying to portray Russia's invasion of Ukraine as justified is mental gymnastics of mentally handicapped that have no basis in reality.
Ukraine is free to associate with whoever they want, it's not up to Russia to decide. Russia that proved itself to be inheritor of all the worst tendencies of its predecessor USSR, whose neighbors have all the reasons to be concerned about their safety and seek protection in the defensive alliance that is NATO.
NATO didn't create Russia of today, Russia did. Get it into your empty fucking heads, you morons.
If anything, these events proved that NATO's existence is necessary. You won't gain anything trying to use it as evidence of some sort of wrongdoing, it's not going to work because it's not true.

I live in Russia, I know how these people think. I've been listening to their demented propaganda for years. Kremlin encouraged Russian chauvinism to distract people from their economical and political failings, it culminated in revival of imperialistic ambitions, which is a bad mix along with incompetence and degradation so rampant in today's Russia.
There's nothing "based" about it, it's all fucking twisted in the most Orwellian way possible.
No one in their right mind wants to be associated with this shithole.

You don't understand shit. Fuck off.
 
Ok, so where are we sitting at with Russia now. They've successfully - kinda - withdrawn from Kyiv, Cherniv and it looks like they are getting out of Sumy. Despite what Russophile cope is being said about it being a "feint" or an attempt to "degrade" Ukrainian military forces it appears that the Ukrainians were hot on their heels and clearly therefore still in good fighting shape. Complete disaster, decisive Ukrainian victory.

Murdering those civilians they had tied up, allegedly torturing and murdering teenagers and then leaving the evidence is peak retardation. Those are powerful images, and if there is any way that the US and NATO is going to get more involved it is to react to what voters want - and that shit is fucking outrageous. It's one thing to see the numbers of people, but when you see the reality of someone's dad or son left facedown in the road having been shot off of his pushbike it really does change the equation. I think this is another major Russian failing in this campaign.

The Institute for the Study of War deems withdrawn Russian troops to be in need of an operational pause in order to refit, reform and integrate into the Eastern Axes chain of command, however reporting seems to support ongoing peace-meal attacks in the East which are not currently succeeding. Depending on how quick and successful the Ukrainians are in reinforcing the East, I believe the Russian withdrawals in the West could actually benefit Ukraine. I have no doubt they are going to be able to redeploy at a faster pace. With better moral and supplies.

OryxSpionKop has stated that Russia is visually confirmed to have lost 400 tanks - probably 450 if you include his backlog. I have been unable to see what their initial invasion force had in terms of total number of tanks - let me know if there are solid estimates floating about. However, given Russia invaded with 120 BTGs - has added a few hear or there, let's call it 125 - and each of those is established to have 10 tanks, that would suggest around 1250. However, it is unlikely they are at 100% of their established strength, so that could be around 800-1000 in reality. Now, it's hard to get to grips with what their non-BTG forces have in terms of tanks - maybe none - but however you look at it, that 450 as a minimum of losses would suggest Russia is fucked in terms of their tanks. My guess is that Russia has lost between 1 in 3 and 1 in 2 of their tanks.

Zelensky in light of executions of Ukrainians in occupied towns and cities has said that before a ceasefire he would only accept if Russia withdraws troops to behind the 2014 lines. My thoughts on this, obviously it is due to the emotional subject of these warcrimes - but it also sounds like something only a confident leader would say. I.E. this sounds like someone who is confident in their ability to take the fight to the Russians going forward.

UK looking to provide Anti-Ship Missiles. Likely Harpoons, however UK doesn't have land based launchers so is engaging with other NATO allies to get this capability together and have it delivered. Russia is threatening to interdict these in Western Ukraine, but a combination of secrecy and their inability to reliable hit targets that are stationary, never mind moving in convoys, mean these are hollow threats.

Lastly, the USA is doing some deals to get ex-Soviet armoured vehicles and tanks into Ukrainian hands and have said it will be a "matter of days not weeks".

Maybe I'm optimistic, but Western countries are getting more serious, Ukrianian successes are mounting and the Russian position is looking precarious in many areas. Is this going to be the start of the reverse? Who knows, I hope so.
 
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Of course, I don't hold Russia blameless. This thread is a circle jerk though so I llke to add balance. Too many people are pretending Ukraine is blameless despite repeatedly poking the bear, and then demanding the middle class taxpayers in the US fix things. Fuck that. Stop listening to US "Advisers" (totally not CIA) knowing they're fucking neocon warmongers. You fell for it, that's your fucking problem.

There is a line of text i read today about the liberated areas of Ukraine and what your idols were op too.
Shot dogs. Killed women. Girls under 10 with torn vaginas. Irpin, Bucha, Dmitrievka.

This tiny little text blurb has more or less devastated me today.
This is what you support, this is what you want to balance out.
 
For money of course. It's easy to satiate your native spergs with free healthcare and edumucation when you don't have to buy bullets and tanks.
What the fuck are you even talking about dumbass? When it's working as intended, Nato is literally a drain on your countries budget

Like this?

Wow. He leveraged aid to get rid of a corrupt state official. Nice smoking gun

That's totally the same as withholding aid to dig up dirt on a political enemy back at home

Seriously, do you just pull this stuff out of your ass or do you genuinely believe your delusions?
 
lmao, they're riding fallen ballistic missile like it's an inflatable banana, saying that's how they're going to ride them in Crimea
Very endearing, but exceptionally retarded nonetheless

Not a missile & looks like an external fuel tank, but still.... some jokes are universal across cultures.
 
Are you seriously saying that America was worse than the USSR? Because if you are, then there's no helping you.

The USSR collapsed over 30 years ago. I gave you a 40 year window to account for the tail end of the commie era. So yes, would you like to compare how many wars have been started by the two in that time frame or not? Remember this in reference to who is most dangerous to have on your borders in recent history...

So basically, them joining NATO is a benefit to the people, since it gives them more money for taking care of their own kind while Americans do the military shit for them?

It's not a benefit to my people.

the same conspiracy-theory bullshit

Oh you're one of those people who doesn't believe the CIA is ever involved in conspiracies? Fascinating worldview.

I do hope the reconstruction Funding is tied to stuff like LGBT rights etc, Will be entertaining for you to get monkey pawed.

You know it will be. Ukraine wants to get rebuilt with US dollars thy better start grooming their kids to be trannies or you can't have US taxpayer money.

You retards claim in the same breath that Ukrainians didn't really throw out Yanukovych on their own accord, that it was all orchestrated by some outside force, but the so-called Crimean referendum was totally legit, and so is the separatist movement in Donbas.

Let's try it this way and get your thoughts:

"You retards claim in the same breath that Ukrainians did really throw out Yanukovych on their own accord, that it wasn't all orchestrated by some outside force, but the so-called Crimean referendum was totally illegitimate, and so is the separatist movement in Donbas."

Thoughts?

Ukraine is free to associate with whoever they want, it's not up to Russia to decide

Do you think the US would let Mexico join up with some defensive pact that allowed China to put military technology and bases near their border? Why do we all understand perfectly that the US would never let that happen, but then not see another country have similar concerns?

When it's working as intended, Nato is literally a drain on your countries budget

Yes exactly, NATO is a drain on my country which is why I want Europe to handle their own shit and wish my country would stay the fuck out of it. Meanwhile my tax dollars are going to be going to rebuilding Ukraine and making sure they're properly respecting faggotry of all sorts. So my government has been instigated this shit and funding it enough to keep it going long enough for maximum destruction so that there are nice sweet contracts in place for reconstruction, again - paid for by middle class taxpayers in the US.
 
Murdering those civilians they had tied up, allegedly torturing and murdering teenagers and then leaving the evidence is peak retardation.

there is plenty of evidence that it was not an orderly retreat but unplanned take off. If this was done on initiative of lower commanders, I can't see the higher ups giving them heads up to clean up their crimes. A lot of loot ended up being left, it looks like a lot of spilled loot in a hurry. They also tried to burn bodies of women but did not stay to see that fire did it's job completely.

In some places they did "clean up" by finishing up civilians, but in some shooting a kid on a street didn't need special follow. The issue here, there are witnesses and as a whole, it becomes a much stronger picture of RF troops indiscriminately killing civs.


No worries, Germany, a rally in support of Russia and Z today:




Cyprus, rally in support of RF and Z:

 
Gostomel, one of the civs found with swastika burned when s/he was alive:

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I believe that similar photo or of the same person was shown on Russian TV with Skabeeva, a known RF propaganda master, under rhetoric about Ukrainians Nazis doing it to Russians, I saw the clip yesterday or earlier today. I don't remember if they claimed some other place though, a lot of times these photos manufacture in one place, then show as "evidence" of Ukrop Nazis in Donbas.

I'm not 100% sure why Nazis would burn/cut swastika though. During WWII Nazis typically cut stars on live person, i.e. Red Army commie stars, but this probably better selling point for RF propaganda.
 
there is plenty of evidence that it was not an orderly retreat but unplanned take off. If this was done on initiative of lower commanders, I can't see the higher ups giving them heads up to clean up their crimes. A lot of loot ended up being left, it looks like a lot of spilled loot in a hurry. They also tried to burn bodies of women but did not stay to see that fire did it's job completely.

In some places they did "clean up" by finishing up civilians, but in some shooting a kid on a street didn't need special follow. The issue here, there are witnesses and as a whole, it becomes a much stronger picture of RF troops indiscriminately killing civs.


No worries, Germany, a rally in support of Russia and Z today:

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Cyprus, rally in support of RF and Z:

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Those rallies are definitely organized in hope of getting some spicy footage of Russians being pelted with rocks and beaten with batons for propaganda in Russia.

Also proves Russians are beyond any redemption as a nation, they're completely braindead.
 
Gostomel, one of the civs found with swastika burned when s/he was alive:

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I believe that similar photo or of the same person was shown on Russian TV with Skabeeva, a known RF propaganda master, under rhetoric about Ukrainians Nazis doing it to Russians, I saw the clip yesterday or earlier today. I don't remember if they claimed some other place though, a lot of times these photos manufacture in one place, then show as "evidence" of Ukrop Nazis in Donbas.

I'm not 100% sure why Nazis would burn/cut swastika though. During WWII Nazis typically cut stars on live person, i.e. Red Army commie stars, but this probably better selling point for RF propaganda.
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there is plenty of evidence that it was not an orderly retreat but unplanned take off. If this was done on initiative of lower commanders, I can't see the higher ups giving them heads up to clean up their crimes. A lot of loot ended up being left, it looks like a lot of spilled loot in a hurry. They also tried to burn bodies of women but did not stay to see that fire did it's job completely.

In some places they did "clean up" by finishing up civilians, but in some shooting a kid on a street didn't need special follow. The issue here, there are witnesses and as a whole, it becomes a much stronger picture of RF troops indiscriminately killing civs.
They got out of there quickly, given their logistical issues. I personally think it was announced by the higher ups, but the rout was disorganised in many but not all areas. Hence, there are many areas where they had left many all of their equipment to flee through a swamp.
No worries, Germany, a rally in support of Russia and Z today:

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Cyprus, rally in support of RF and Z:

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The fuck - are these local Russian populations, I know there is a fairly large one in Cyprus.
 
They got out of there quickly, given their logistical issues. I personally think it was announced by the higher ups, but the rout was disorganised in many but not all areas. Hence, there are many areas where they had left many all of their equipment to flee through a swamp.

The fuck - are these local Russian populations, I know there is a fairly large one in Cyprus.
Yes, local Russians, Berlin has a big one too. Russians who aren't in Russia should be offered a choice of forfeiting their RF citizenship in exchange for a new one or fucking off to daddy Putin's glorious ANTIFA utopia if they love it so much.

Russia using the Russian speaking population as reasons for endless interventions and them being so chock full of some weird, unwarranted national pride just shows one of many dangers of simply not having a cohesive society made up of 99% ethnic locals, it's just asking for trouble from some retarded state worried about it's people being oppressed somewhere when it's politically convinient.
 
Yes, local Russians, Berlin has a big one too. Russians who aren't in Russia should be offered a choice of forfeiting their RF citizenship in exchange for a new one or fucking off to daddy Putin's glorious ANTIFA utopia if they love it so much.

Russia using the Russian speaking population as reasons for endless interventions and them being so chock full of some weird, unwarranted national pride just shows one of many dangers of simply not having a cohesive society made up of 99% ethnic locals, it's just asking for trouble from some retarded state worried about it's people being oppressed somewhere when it's politically convinient.
I would've so deported them to Russia.
 
"You retards claim in the same breath that Ukrainians did really throw out Yanukovych on their own accord, that it wasn't all orchestrated by some outside force, but the so-called Crimean referendum was totally illegitimate, and so is the separatist movement in Donbas."

Yes. Yanukovych escaped on his own will, and Crimea referendum was forged. And now what russian lie you will bring to this thread?

Can we agree, that this thread is for real news, and all russian trolls are be sitting in the other thread, where Russia was winning their war with globohomopizzayeti?
 

Reports about another attack on Belgorod:

April 3 (Reuters) - Two blasts were heard in the Russian city of Belgorod near the border with Ukraine on Sunday, two witnesses told Reuters, days after Russian authorities accused Ukrainian forces of striking a fuel depot there.

The cause of the blasts was not immediately clear. One witness said the blasts were so powerful that they rattled the windows of her home in Belgorod.

The blasts come days after Russia's defence ministry said two Ukrainian helicopters struck a fuel depot in the city, some 35 km (22 miles) from the border with Ukraine, after entering Russia at extremely low altitude in the early hours of Friday.

The Kremlin said the incident could undermine peace efforts, while a top Ukrainian security official denied responsibility.

A local official from the region around Belgorod said there had been a blast in the village of Tomarovka on Sunday but that no one had been hurt and no property damaged.

"There was a bang, debris fell onto the ground," Oleg Medvedev, head of the Yakovlevsky city district outside Belgorod, wrote on the Telegram messenger application.

He did not elaborate on the nature of the debris nor on the cause of the blast. It was unclear if the blast described by Medvedev was one of the blasts heard by the witnesses.

It looks like Russia will suffer from this "strage" type of attacks.
 
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