The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Zero Day Defense]

lol nah, there is no point in trying to debate with an angry incel

Then why bother accusing me of weaseling out of a rebuttal?

but as long as you continue to be male, whatever opinions you have on an issue that affects only women are irrelevant.

Then women can perform all abortions, make and design all the tools and drugs used for said abortions, singlehandedly produce all legislation regarding abortion (first become more than 28% or whatever other meager proportion of whatever American legislative chamber), become the only voters on the issue, only vote in women into legislative positions, be the only people on every bench deciding on laws regarding the issue, and be the only taxpayers (...period, because Planned Parenthood plays statistic games to cover up the number of abortions they actually perform, meaning that nobody knows for sure if federal funds that go to it are given and used in line with the Hyde Amendment).

 

[Lurker]

Then why bother accusing me of weaseling out of a rebuttal?


Then women can perform all abortions, make and design all the tools and drugs used for said abortions, singlehandedly produce all legislation regarding abortion (first become more than 28% or whatever other meager proportion of whatever American legislative chamber), become the only voters on the issue, only vote in women into legislative positions, be the only people on every bench deciding on laws regarding the issue, and be the only taxpayers (...period, because Planned Parenthood plays statistic games to cover up the number of abortions they actually perform, meaning that nobody knows for sure if federal funds that go to it are given in line with the Hyde Amendment).

>implying that every male is anti-choice

ultimately, it should not be up to men to decide on what a woman does with her own body. however, that doesn't mean that there are not men who agree with the pro-choice stance. black and white thinking like yours is a symptom of terminal autism. i'm sorry it had to end like this.

edit: i reported one of your posts because i'm requesting our conversation be moved to the abortion debate containment thread, so if your post gets moved that's why.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

>implying that every male is anti-choice

Whether or not they are doesn't even matter, and it doesn't matter to you, either-- else you wouldn't have said that

as long as you continue to be male, whatever opinions you have on an issue that affects only women are irrelevant.

unless you're actually okay with what they have to say on the matter inasmuch as it's "YAS QUEEN, SLAY".

You're arguing that men's opinions on abortion are irrelevant, but it's by them that it's even allowed, they run every sector of the institution, they've devised every method employed within, and they're its chief financiers-- wittingly or otherwise.

You rely on the men who you say don't have relevant opinions on the matter, as if they're supposed to-- by their own will-- be mindless and will-less sanctioners, dispensers and financiers of this service you're saying has nothing to do with them.

 

[Lurker]

Whether or not they are doesn't even matter, and it doesn't matter to you, either-- else you wouldn't have said that

unless you're actually okay with what they have to say on the matter inasmuch as it's "YAS QUEEN, SLAY".

You're arguing that men's opinions on abortion are irrelevant, but it's by them that it's even allowed, they run every sector of the institution, they've devised every method employed within, and they're its chief financiers-- wittingly or otherwise.

You rely on the men who you say don't have relevant opinions on the matter, as if they're supposed to-- by their own will-- be mindless and will-less sanctioners, dispensers and financiers of said service you're saying has nothing to do with them.

just because men may be in charge doesn't mean that they shouldn't consult women AKA the people primarily affected by abortion legislation. men's opinions should not play a role in such legislation, sorry. now, i understand that it's inevitable that men will insert their opinions into such legislation, but no, it should not be that way.

it sounds to me like you're justifying women being treated as second-class citizens because men created a system where they are in the upper echelons of government. that's pretty fucked up. it's pretty... misogynistic, to be honest.

oh, wait, i forgot who i'm talking to.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

just because men may be in charge doesn't mean that they shouldn't consult women AKA the people primarily affected by abortion legislation. men's opinions should not play a role in such legislation, sorry.

It's the opinion of men that women should be listened to at all-- on that basis alone, their opinions play the first role in such legislation. That why you have male politicians identifying with either the pro-choice OR pro-life movements.

It's not as if those who are pro-life were only voted for by men, and that none of the women who voted for them are pro-life. You accuse me first of painting all men as pro-choice (and I don't), but you presume all women are pro-choice when you presume that they aren't listened to when politicians draft anti-abortion legislation-- in reality, what's happening is that, if they're listening to women, they're listening to pro-life women as opposed to pro-choice women.

That aside, you're deliberately avoiding the point:

You rely on men to write legislation for abortion access.
You rely chiefly on men to finance the institution of abortion.
You rely on men in great measure to perform the abortions, and regardless, all practitioners rely on methods devised by men.
You rely on men to make the tools and drugs used for said abortions.

Yet you don't expect them to have an opinion on the institution they're very much involved in... but you're not suggesting that women manage the institution all by themselves to avoid this issue.

The only conclusion from this is that you just want men to be nothing more than dispensaries of the fulfillment of your whims. Muzzled butlers, as it were. All this, while you accuse me of misogyny for pointing out who you outright allow to butter your bread and for not desiring the termination of mostly female babies

Women aren't managing most of the institution of abortion or the fight against it because they want to leave it to men. They aren't most of the ones voting for or against abortion-related legislation because they want to leave the politicking to men. Men finance the institution (however wittingly or not) because women want them to. No matter where a woman may fall, they are almost certainly deliberately leaving the heavy-lifting for the execution of their ideology to men. That is why the institution has been, is, and all but certainly will remain male-dominated-- even as women are much more easily able to "ascend the ranks" than ever before.

 

[Lurker]

It's the opinion of men that women should be listened to at all-- on that basis alone, their opinions play the first role in such legislation. That why you have male politicians identifying with either the pro-choice OR pro-life movements.

It's not as if those who are pro-life were only voted for by men, and that none of the women who voted for them are pro-life. You accuse me first of painting all men as pro-choice (and I don't), but you presume all women are pro-choice when you presume that they aren't listened to when politicians draft anti-abortion legislation-- in reality, what's happening is that, if they're listening to women, they're listening to pro-life women as opposed to pro-choice women.

That aside, you're deliberately avoiding the point:

You rely on men to write legislation for abortion access.
You rely chiefly on men to finance the institution of abortion.
You rely on men in great measure to perform the abortions, and regardless, all practitioners rely on methods devised by men.
You rely on men to make the tools and drugs used for said abortions.

Yet you don't expect them to have an opinion on the institution they're very much involved in... but you're not suggesting that women manage the institution all by themselves to avoid this issue.

The only conclusion from this is that you just want men to be nothing more than dispensaries of the fulfillment of your whims. Muzzled butlers, as it were. All this, while you accuse me of misogyny for pointing out who you outright allow to butter your bread.

Women aren't managing most of the institution of abortion or the fight against it because they want to leave it to men. They aren't most of the ones voting for or against abortion-related legislation because they want to leave the politicking to men. No matter where a woman may fall, they are almost certainly deliberately leaving the heavy-lifting for the execution of their ideology to men. That is why the institution has been, is, and all but certainly will remain male-dominated-- even as women are much more easily able to "ascend the ranks" than ever before.

tbh if you're a woman who is anti-choice, that's cool, don't get an abortion. it seems to me like men use these particular women's opinions as justification for trying to control all women's bodies, "but you're implying that they shouldn't listen to all women!" i don't see how allowing abortion hurts anti-choice women. no one is forcing them to get an abortion, and their moral outrage shouldn't be the basis for legislation of female bodily autonomy. and somehow, i doubt that the majority of women are anti-choice.

you're acting like women have a choice on who they "rely on" when women have historically been treated as second-class citizens and it was only recently (comparatively-speaking) that women were even allowed to vote. when the government is essentially rigged in favor of white men, yeah, that kind of shit happens. and yet, men shouldn't be legislating women's bodily autonomy. in an ideal world we probably wouldn't even be talking about this because ultimately abortion is a decision that should be made by women, and not legislated by the government.

maybe you haven't noticed, but almost every single time a female gets into a role of power, a bunch of men immediately start shitting on her in an attempt to discredit her. certainly seems like a good ol' boys club where they make it difficult for women to participate. and that is a problem, even if incels like you like to pretend it's not.

 

[Niggaplease]

Shut the fuck up.

You have zero comprehension of what laws are if you're going to cry about your "bodily autonomy" being policed, and you have zero idea of what bodily autonomy even is if you're suggesting that not being able to procure someone else's services because said services are banned independent of you is some violation of your bodily autonomy-- as if it were the state's job to prevent you from killing yourself with a coathanger out of desperation. You probably don't even know what Roe's verdict was.

The people that can't bear the weight of contemplating that they're cheering on snuffing out the most innocent of human lives have to do their damnedest to distract themselves from the reality. They claim that the people who oppose them hate women and want them punished-- meanwhile, at least half of aborted fetuses are girls. They claim that human life has no human dignity if it's super small and still inside a uterus, and then they-- without fail-- paper over the horrifying applicability of such an argument by arbitrarily claiming some cutoff that only exists for their comfort. They use outlier cases (whether they talk about rape cases or maternal mortality) to justify an institution virtually completely powered by the seeking of convenience. They sniffle at the idea of suffering a little, as if they're the only ones to ever suffer. They distort systematic medical/legal incompetence cases in a country where abortion laws were already lax in order to make the case for greater abortion access instead. They diffuse the responsibility of women by bringing up-- apropos of nothing-- the responsibility of men, as if somehow they've justified themselves with the rhetorical equivalent of "and you are lynching Negroes" instead of having tacitly accepted the charge against them. Worst of all, they project their moral bankruptcy and surrepetitiousness onto their opposition-- "No, they don't actually care about children, they all just want them alive so they can molest them! They just don't want to pay taxes for abortion! See, WE'RE the good ones! We want to kill them before they can get molested!"

Then you wonder why you can't stop hearing about kids being groomed, molested and raped in public schools. Then you wonder why children are being taught to be confused about their sex, or outright hate themselves for it. Then you wonder why those same children are then convinced that the only way they can be happy is if they mutilate themselves and abort their puberty. Soon enough, you'll end up wondering why the same people who said this was okay are now saying that they should be able to consent to sex with their adult """lovers."""

All of it is at the hands of people who hate children but have the gall to invent morality where there isn't any.

do you have a womb?
you have the capacity to carry a child to term?
if you don't have that than you should have no say.
I know abortion is techincally ending a fetus before it has a chance to grow, but that fetus is dependant on a womb to grow, yes an abortion is ending a fetus, yes depending on the method it can gorey; how ever I'd much rather a reluctant poor mother abort their kid than carry it to term then raise a kid they may resent and feel like they missed out on life, etc. I want parents who want to parent have kids, not force unwilling and reluctant parents have a baby because its the morally right thing to do, or because government benefits, or other stupid shit, I would happily pay taxes to make abortion more accesible to the redneck ghetto rat hood niggers abort their spawn consquence free, shit I'd give them gibs in exchange for family planning, and not be forced to raise kids perpetuate another generation of poverty and misery. Life is sacred to you, so long as it's in the womb, but fuck the child outside of the womb, and all the trappings like welfare, and child abuse. One only needs to look at cps's sad state to realize if your parents aare poor and abusive your fucked. its like almost once ever 5 years we hear about some kid getting beat to death by irresponsible and abusive parents, when simply aborting the kid would've saved the kid years worth of suffering.
You don't believe life is sacred, because your just a polfag, wanting to control females bodies, if you truely believed in half the shit you you'd out and about protesting this shit but your a sperg on a fucking forum whing about MUH WAHMAIN AND MUH ABORTION AND WHY WON'T YOU TOUCH MY PEEPEE WAHMAIN? like the nigger cattle you are.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

tbh if you're a woman who is anti-choice, that's cool, don't get an abortion.

They don't want it in their community. They don't want to finance it. Thy don't want it to be financed. Most of them believe it to be murder and don't want to look the other way when it happens in their community.

That's how they see it.

it seems to me like men use these particular women's opinions as justification for trying to control all women's bodies

Most men don't care about "controlling women's bodies" as much as you think they do.

I'm telling you this as a man.

Additionally, you're dismissing the existence of such women by minimizing them as mere excuses for men as opposed to women who have their own vision for society in the same way pro-choice women do.

i don't see how allowing abortion hurts anti-choice women. no one is forcing them to get an abortion, and their moral outrage shouldn't be the basis for legislation of female bodily autonomy. and somehow, i doubt that the majority of women are anti-choice.

Americans are nearly evenly split on the matter of abortion. Most Americans support some restriction on abortion.

you're acting like women have a choice on who they "rely on" when women have historically been treated as second-class citizens and it was only recently (comparatively-speaking) that women were even allowed to vote.

And by "recently", you mean "for about the latter 44 percent of America's existence."

when the government is essentially rigged in favor of white men, yeah, that kind of shit happens. and yet, men shouldn't be legislating women's bodily autonomy. in an ideal world we probably wouldn't even be talking about this because ultimately abortion is a decision that should be made by women, and not legislated by the government.

Again, if such is the case, then women can take over the management and financing of every related apparatus to enforce their will without a scintilla of male involvement. If you understand the value of money, you understand that the people who finance or otherwise support your endeavors at your request and without already receiving something in return have a proportional amount of say in said endeavor and you're accordingly beholden to them.

This is putting aside that children are a community topic and not merely a woman's topic, which is why a father has rights over his children and why he can be pursued for child support by the state at the mother's behest.

maybe you haven't noticed, but almost every single time a female gets into a role of power, a bunch of men immediately start shitting on her in an attempt to discredit her. certainly seems like a good ol' boys club where they make it difficult for women to participate.

Come back to me when a woman gets caned on the Senate floor.

"Randos are being mean to women"-- are you serious? We expect men to take that shit in stride, and doubly so when they're actually advocating for their genuine beliefs, but you want to complain about when it happens to women instead of just expecting women to get good or get out, like the men?

What are women that they need to be coddled from mean words?

-snip-

I'm not even going to begin to read the poorly formatted rambling of a prostitute about the value of life.

 

[Freya]

tbh if you're a woman who is anti-choice, that's cool, don't get an abortion. it seems to me like men use these particular women's opinions as justification for trying to control all women's bodies, "but you're implying that they shouldn't listen to all women!" i don't see how allowing abortion hurts anti-choice women. no one is forcing them to get an abortion, and their moral outrage shouldn't be the basis for legislation of female bodily autonomy. and somehow, i doubt that the majority of women are anti-choice.

you're acting like women have a choice on who they "rely on" when women have historically been treated as second-class citizens and it was only recently (comparatively-speaking) that women were even allowed to vote. when the government is essentially rigged in favor of white men, yeah, that kind of shit happens. and yet, men shouldn't be legislating women's bodily autonomy. in an ideal world we probably wouldn't even be talking about this because ultimately abortion is a decision that should be made by women, and not legislated by the government.

maybe you haven't noticed, but almost every single time a female gets into a role of power, a bunch of men immediately start shitting on her in an attempt to discredit her. certainly seems like a good ol' boys club where they make it difficult for women to participate. and that is a problem, even if incels like you like to pretend it's not.

anti-choice women are usually insane catholics or fundies that are cool with their kids being molested by priests and make excuses for it. i just have no respect for them.

 

[Lurker]

They don't want it in their community. They don't want to finance it. Thy don't want it to be financed. Most of them believe it to be murder and don't want to look the other way when it happens in their community.

That's how they see it.


Most men don't care about "controlling women's bodies" as much as you think they do.

I'm telling you this as a man.

Additionally, you're dismissing the existence of such women by minimizing them as mere excuses for men as opposed to women who have their own vision for society in the same way pro-choice women do.


Americans are nearly evenly split on the matter of abortion. Most Americans support some restriction on abortion.


And by "recently", you mean "for about the latter 44 percent of America's existence."


Again, if such is the case, then women can take over the management and financing of every related apparatus to enforce their will without a scintilla of male involvement. If you understand the value of money, you understand that the people who finance or otherwise support your endeavors at your request and without already receiving something in return have a proportional amount of say in said endeavor and you're accordingly beholden to them.

This is putting aside that children are a community topic and not merely a woman's topic, which is why a father has rights over his children and why he can be pursued for child support by the state at the mother's behest.


Come back to me when a woman gets caned on the Senate floor.

"Randos are being mean to women"-- are you serious? We expect men to take that shit in stride, and doubly so when they're actually advocating for their genuine beliefs, but you want to complain about when it happens to women instead of just expecting women to get good or get out?


I'm not even going to begin to read the poorly formatted rambling of a prostitute about the value of life.

stop trying to control women's bodily autonomy. you are not a woman, you do not get a say. full stop. everything you type is just a sad justification for allowing men to continue to subjugate women and control them.

and nice misogyny at the end, there. definitely doesn't make you look like a seething incel.

 

[Niggaplease]

I'm not even going to begin to read the poorly formatted rambling of a prostitute about the value of life.

and your point?
still makes you a nigger cattle.
I may have fucked around in life, but I surely brought no kids into my own personal mess, that would be irresponsible.
your belief set if in place every where would ensure women like me who should never be moms, be froced into motherhood while in bad relationships and unstable homes. yes I was involved in some sex work not of my own choice half the time, and getting beat. if I got pregnant in a situation like that what kind of enviroment like that for a kid to be in?

 

[Freya]

Most men don't care about "controlling women's bodies" as much as you think they do.

I'm telling you this as a man.

this guy is full of shit.

Just flip through his posting history. he never posts anything about lolcows or e-drama. it's all pseudo-intellectual incel shit about women, babies and small children

 

[Lurker]

and your point?
still makes you a nigger cattle.
I may have fucked around in life, but I surely brought no kids into my own personal mess, that would be irresponsible.
your belief set if in place every where would ensure women like me who should never be moms, be froced into motherhood while in bad relationships and unstable homes.

he's upset that he's such a pathetic incel that he can't even get a prostitute to sleep with him. how DARE you have sex with other men that aren't him?

and i guess it's cool that a child is born into a shitty situation, AS LONG AS IT'S BORN. but as soon as they are born i suddenly can't be bothered to give a fuck and will deny you any welfare or support because lol fuck women.

this guy is full of shit.

Just flip through his posting history. he never posts anything about lolcows or e-drama. it's all pseudo-intellectual incel shit about women, babies and small children

women, babies, and small children... exactly the type of people that a weak little man would victimize to feel strong.

 

[Android raptor]

anti-choice women are usually insane catholics or fundies that are cool with their kids being molested by priests and make excuses for it. i just have no respect for them.

Michelle Duggar and Jill Rodrigues are both excellent examples of anti-choice women, and women who should've had abortions.

this guy is full of shit.

Just flip through his posting history. he never posts anything about lolcows or e-drama. it's all pseudo-intellectual incel shit about women, babies and small children

He wrote an excellent schizopost on me once tho, which is still my bio/profile banner

 

[Niggaplease]

he's upset that he's such a pathetic incel that he can't even get a prostitute to sleep with him. how DARE you have sex with other men that aren't him?

and i guess it's cool that a child is born into a shitty situation, AS LONG AS IT'S BORN. but as soon as they are born i suddenly can't be bothered to give a fuck and will deny you any welfare or support because lol fuck women.

yes based on his posting, if he messaged me outside of kf back when I was still being a thot, I'd reject him out right because of his tone, he probably uses prostitutes, and treats them poorly, I've seen incels treat women in the business terribly. there the worst kind of client.
like night mare fuel.
they just want women to suffer, and be held back.

I don't understand why they need every state to be the same. If I wanted to live in a place where I can get an abortion on demand, get stabbed by a nigger and step in human shit, all in the same day, I'd live in LA.

Texas has different people; are they not allowed the right to self-governance, or is self-governance only for people who agree with the exact same morals and priorities as the Jewish pedophiles in Hollywood and the people who made gasoline $8/gallon?

they don't have to be the same, culture wise, but the problem is I a libertarian an cap, who hates big gubbermint, get out ree, think, that my body my choice, if I don't want to carry a fetus to term with in a reasonable time frame I should be able to abort, I understand because I am not an idiot that at some point its shit or get off the pot with pregnancy. I believe the government whether federal or state has no business telling women what kind of procedures medically speaking, and especially when that government is ran by men who have least amount in terms of what is at stake when it comes to the matter of abortion. I feel like that is tyranny. I'd much rather have poor and reluctant mothers and parents chose to abort their unexpected pregnancies than to feel morally obligated to carry a pregnancy, that they don't want and will impact them financially simply because its the morally right thing to do. Call me crazy here but kids thrive when parents actually want to parent and have kids, kids thrive in decent and stable enviroments, having kids because you had an oopsie woopsie fucky wucky and forgot to use birth control, and carrying pregnancies because its morally correct isn't a good thing.

 

[gang weeder]

Da fuck are you reffering to here? Rape involves 2 people having inconsensual sex. It may be unlawful in some countries, in some countries not prosecuted but most of people consider this as wrong. I doubt you find a rally in any part of the world supporting rape.

But bruh, muh internal moral compass said it isn't rape. That makes it okay, right? Since you have to respect my internal moral compass. Right? Don't shove your morals on me, bro.

If a teenager kills themself because they didn't want to be born in 1st place is it a cause to sue parents for having sex 15 years ago? This is your twisted logic here.

No, your logic would be akin to if the North had said to the South, "well if it is your internal moral compass that blacks are farm equipment rather than people, okay, we will respect that." Since you know, you must respect everyone's personal moral compass on what counts as a person and what doesn't.

Not to mention how you literally can’t know if others are conscious/sentient. I know I am, but are you? You might say you are, but where’s the proof?

Anyway, if I wanted to argue with retards I’d be discussing ethics with philosophy students, not on KF discussing abortion with an ignorant double poster.

That's right, you technically can't know. Meaning it's possible that if you murder someone else, you're just killing a literal NPC. Seems like a pretty bad qualifier to try and determine personhood. As opposed to, y'know, the observable physical reality of species and DNA.

Aww, you don't want to punish men for killing sperm but you want to punish women for not having a baby. Listen, I know you evangelical fundies want to push your religion on the rest of us, but America isn't a religious nation. If you don't like abortions, that's fine. Then push for more access to birth control and non-abstinent sexual education. I see you have no answer to that, since you just want to punish harlots who have sex with guys who aren't you.

Oh the girls would get in on the action too. If eggs are people, every period is a murder. Women would be drastically less murderous than men, to be sure. They'd only be killing thousands of people during their lives instead of hundreds of billions, but you're kinda picking at straws by that point, once you've already decided to try and apply a viewpoint that makes the entire human race into literally-worse-than-hitler simply by existing.

And the DNA doesn't matter. It's not a human any more than sperm or an egg is. But since you kill sperm, you don't want to be a murderer, so you say it's not. It's the same logic.

What's your metric for personhood then?

An infant can survive outside of the womb, though.

Not without someone's constant attention. It isn't any more independent than a fetus is. If you try to treat it as such, it will promptly die.

 

[snailslime]

But bruh, muh internal moral compass said it isn't rape. That makes it okay, right? Since you have to respect my internal moral compass. Right? Don't shove your morals on me, bro.

are you trying to refute the "don't push your religion on us" argument? if so, you're failing badly.

No, your logic would be akin to if the North had said to the South, "well if it is your internal moral compass that blacks are farm equipment rather than people, okay, we will respect that." Since you know, you must respect everyone's personal moral compass on what counts as a person and what doesn't.

retarded take.

That's right, you technically can't know. Meaning it's possible that if you murder someone else, you're just killing a literal NPC. Seems like a pretty bad qualifier to try and determine personhood. As opposed to, y'know, the observable physical reality of species and DNA.

the observable reality shows that fetuses aren't sentient like live babies are.

Oh the girls would get in on the action too. If eggs are people, every period is a murder. Women would be drastically less murderous than men, to be sure. They'd only be killing thousands of people during their lives instead of hundreds of billions, but you're kinda picking at straws by that point, once you've already decided to try and apply a viewpoint that makes the entire human race into literally-worse-than-hitler simply by existing.

that's how you sound though

What's your metric for personhood then?

what's yours?

Not without someone's constant attention. It isn't any more independent than a fetus is. If you try to treat it as such, it will promptly die.

no, it can breathe and feed on its own. a fetus can't.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

stop trying to control women's bodily autonomy.

Stop begging for responses, getting them, and then glossing over it all to restate your own retarded points as if you weren't iterating through ready-made statements.

you are not a woman, you do not get a say. full stop.

>men don't have any kind of say on the topic of abortion
>"keep funding abortion, men!"
>"keep voting for abortion, men!"
>"make sure to make abortion access trivially easy, men!"
>"make sure abortion services aren't dilapidated, men!"
>"make sure to agree with me about how women should be able to get abortions on demand for any reason, men!"
>"don't listen to those other women who don't agree with me, men, or you're just using them as an excuse to subjugate women!"

 

[The Cunting Death]

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Good post ngl

 

[snailslime]

Stop begging for responses, getting them, and then glossing over it all to restate your own retarded points as if you weren't iterating through ready-made statements.

she's reiterating her statements because you speds keep making the same fucking arguments that have been refuted a million times.

>men don't have any kind of say on the topic of abortion
>"keep funding abortion, men!"
>"keep voting for abortion, men!"
>"make sure to make abortion access trivially easy, men!"
>"make sure abortion services aren't dilapidated, men!"
>"make sure to agree with me about how women should be able to get abortions on demand for any reason, men!"
>"don't listen to those other women who don't agree with me, men, or you're just using them as an excuse to subjugate women!"

what's your point, self-admitted incel?