Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Dammit Mandrake!]

Russia has been doing shit. They've largely left the north, and have severe trouble expanding their southern territory, as the Ukrainians still press Kherson. They are not the party who has anything to give. Maybe Putin will try hold on to a Donbass-Crimea corridor or bargain it for a definite cession of the Donbass and Crimea, plus sanctions lifted, but good deals are not his to given, unless Russia can massively improve their performance. Likely it'll be a Korean style stop at some point.

I disagree with you.

 

[No. 7 cat]

I disagree with you.

So Putin is doing well? I disagree.

Tbf the only Reason Ukraine is faring as well as it has is due to considerable support from the lynchpin members of NATO

Russia invaded with an army of poorly maintained vehicles and a total of men which was various only slightly more or a bit less than Ukraine. They seem really poor at coordinating, and generally incompetent for Ukraine still has helicopters in the air. The only area in which Ukraine has been defeated clearly is in terms of naval forces, but they started out massively outnumbered, and the Ukrainians are getting missiles capable of hitting ships. Obsolete NATO weapons are a help, but the Turkish and other drones, which Russia cannot seem able to jam, and more motivated defenders fighting for their lives, fighting not to be murdered and stuffed down drains, are also a major help.

 

[Techpriest]

I disagree with you.

Good news, you've been volunteered for drone bait around Kyiv then!

This is apparently a decoy the Russians made to either try and fool drones, keep them from dropping on them, or cover their retreat from the air. It's supposed to look like an SA-9. I have to admit, they put some effort into it. Also I have to giggle at the duct taped "V" on the front.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Good news, you've been volunteered for drone bait around Kyiv then!

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This is apparently a decoy the Russians made to either try and fool drones, keep them from dropping on them, or cover their retreat from the air. It's supposed to look like an SA-9. I have to admit, they put some effort into it. Also I have to giggle at the duct taped "Z" on the front.

That's one of the more creative decoys I've seen. Looks like it would be good enough to fool someone from the air.

 

[Techpriest]

That's one of the more creative decoys I've seen. Looks like it would be good enough to fool someone from the air.

It really is! It gets the shape right too. For comparison:

Here's an actual SA-9. I'll give them this, they put some real effort into this fake, though I don't think it worked super well. Might work for a high level drone, not one a few hundred feet off the ground.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

It really is! It gets the shape right too. For comparison:

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Here's an actual SA-9. I'll give them this, they put some real effort into this fake, though I don't think it worked super well. Might work for a high level drone, not one a few hundred feet off the ground.

I wonder how many they made, I'll bet the ukies wasted more than a few missiles on them if they were made in any significant quantities.

 

[Techpriest]

I wonder how many they made, I'll bet the ukies wasted more than a few missiles on them if they were made in any significant quantities.

My guess is this is a one off design from a Russian SAM operator. If not, we'll likely see pictures of the remains of other decoys or a few more decoys posted.

 

[Hell on Earth]

Russia has been doing shit. They've largely left the north, and have severe trouble expanding their southern territory, as the Ukrainians still press Kherson. They are not the party who has anything to give. Maybe Putin will try hold on to a Donbass-Crimea corridor or bargain it for a definite cession of the Donbass and Crimea, plus sanctions lifted, but good deals are not his to given, unless Russia can massively improve their performance. Likely it'll be a Korean style stop at some point.

It's unlikely that Putin pulls out since he has pulled out atleast 50.000 troops from the northeastern (Kiev, Cherniv) front and he will redeploy them to the Donbass (most likely through Izyum)

Most of the professional Ukrainian military is in Donbass and their supply situation is getting increasingly worse because the Russians are attacking their fuel and arms depos every day. (their only oil refinery was also destroyed in Kremenchug)

The problem is that the Ukrainians need those professional forces stucked in Donbass to make effective counter-offensives and the territorial defense forces (Volksturm) aren't capable of mounting effective offensives.

The fact is that they need to save those forces from being encircled and destroyed or their ability to mount offensives will decrease a lot.

Logistics will decide the outcome of this battle and the Russians seem to have a better supply situation in the east but anything could change at any moment like how we saw the Russians retreat from Kiev, Sumy and Chernihiv on the last couple of days.

 

[The best and greatest]

So Putin is doing well? I disagree.


Russia invaded with an army of poorly maintained vehicles and a total of men which was various only slightly more or a bit less than Ukraine. They seem really poor at coordinating, and generally incompetent for Ukraine still has helicopters in the air. The only area in which Ukraine has been defeated clearly is in terms of naval forces, but they started out massively outnumbered, and the Ukrainians are getting missiles capable of hitting ships. Obsolete NATO weapons are a help, but the Turkish and other drones, which Russia cannot seem able to jam, and more motivated defenders fighting for their lives, fighting not to be murdered and stuffed down drains, are also a major help.

NATO aid to Ukraine goes beyond equipment aid(Which extends before this current conflict. Imagine if Ukraine didnt start the war with a bunch of Javs and other shit) Imagine if Russia was able to replace their lost equipment because the 2014 sanctions and current sanctions didn't happen. Further, don't sleep on the intelligence we've been giving them since this shit kicked off.

 

[Die Dunkle Maus]

Oh yeah. This guy on a bike clearly was trying to kamikaze into Russian tank.

God, at some point it is not even funny to laugh at your delusion.

I'll have you know that man was the vanguard of the much feared "paint balloon" tank buster squad.

 

[DumbDude42]

while the other lines are very debatable, I honestly find this part to be the most obviously outlandish claim of them all - russian logistics were utter and total dogshit since the start of this whole thing, there's a ton of evidence out there for this + it makes sense. and yet...with that huge ass convoy of theirs, that literally stopped because it ran out of fuel or some such, they're saying that they still somehow brought in 452 tons of aid in spite of having far more immediate concerns of getting themselves mobile?? yeah...no...I just don't see it and I am dead certain they're bullshitting for whoever's dumb enough to believe they were doing the opposite of what they're accused of.

at some point during the winter war, when accused of bombing finland, molotov (russian foreign minister at the time) said that this is not true, and russian planes are actually not dropping bombs on finland, but crates with food aid supplies, to help the poor finns through a famine!

this is basically that all over again. no, we totally weren't massacring those dirty evil hohol bandera nazi scumbags, we were actually just trying to provide them with humanitarian aid to save them from themselves!

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I feel the need to expand on this: I think that the key reason we're seeing "Russia is failing because the war isn't over yet" is because the longer it goes on, the more it's going to fuck EVERYBODY. Russia is absolutely going to tank the rouble but at the same time once gas and oil production causes massive issues with the general supply chain then it's going to just cascade all over the world. From sunflower oil to fertilizer to grain to even minor things like gas prices making it unprofitable to process certain items etc.

If the media keeps hammering over how the war should be over by April then it attempts to push the war to a conclusion some way or another. I actually predict that if the war is still going on by June then you'll see world leaders turn on Zelensky in order to get this over with. Take note of all the pro Ukraine campaigns you see around you because the backlash in a few months is going to be staggering and they're going to pretend it never happened.

Gonna need a . The West is too invested in Zelensky winning to have him consider surrender. Zelensky is their chance to take out Putin once and for all... which does not mean they get Russia under their control, but they're perfectly willing to turn nations into Libya, so they don't care about that.

Something a friend of mined mention when this began, Putin will win because of one thing compared to westerns he can stomach a long war.

But does Ukraine share the West's constitution?

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

But does Ukraine share the West's constitution?

No, slav countries general don't, see Poland happily using the EU for gibs but doesn't go along with the ideology.

 

[Techpriest]

Ukrainian TDF fighter with an SVT-40, complete with thermal sight and suppressor.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

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Ukrainian TDF fighter with an SVT-40, complete with thermal sight and suppressor.

Now that's one I didn't expect to see

 

[Hell on Earth]

russian logistics were utter and total dogshit since the start of this whole thing.

They had dogshit logistics in the Eastern Kiev+Chernihiv+Sumy fronts because they left a lot of Ukrainian pockets behind and they didn't had enough manpower to encircle those pockets and therefore they wrecked their logistics.

And they had dogshit supply lines in the western Kiev front due to the fact that they had to use few roads and the roads kept getting ambushed and the Ukres had the advantage of fighting on swamps and forests.

It seems that their supply situation is a lot better on the south and the Donbass fronts due to having consolidated the territory and the supply lines are barely getting ambushed.

 

[Techpriest]

They had dogshit logistics in the Eastern Kiev+Chernihiv+Sumy fronts because they left a lot of Ukrainian pockets behind and they didn't had enough manpower to encircle those pockets and therefore they wrecked their logistics.

And they had dogshit supply lines in the western Kiev front due to the fact that they had to use few roads and the roads kept getting ambushed and the Ukres had the advantage of fighting on swamps and forests.

It seems that their supply situation is a lot better on the south and the Donbass fronts due to having consolidated the territory and the supply lines are barely getting ambushed.

It's still not great in the south. All indications are that Ukrainians have been hitting assets there too, just not to the absolutely ruinous attacks in the north. Berdyansk is out of action, which is really painful for the Russians, who really really really want more supply lines and any port facility is a godsend to help move supplies and equipment.

 

[K-Hole]

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Ukrainian TDF fighter with an SVT-40, complete with thermal sight and suppressor.

I don't know why.


In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47380/in-flanders-fields

 

[Feline Supremacist]

So ukraine is both saying they are btfo'ing ruski asses out of ther territory but also Say that they are literally doing a hoholocaust and that they need more foreign intervention?

Bingo!

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So about those Il-76…

Nice deleted tweet bruv

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Ah yes, a foreigner telling me how to speak English. Fuck off.

It really is! It gets the shape right too. For comparison:

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Here's an actual SA-9. I'll give them this, they put some real effort into this fake, though I don't think it worked super well. Might work for a high level drone, not one a few hundred feet off the ground.

It just has to fool the drone/drone operator. Take out your ouija board and ask Rommel how effective decoys were against the British (very).

 

[Chandelier]

State Department Official says what?

Link / Archive


When Trump instituted the Muslim ban, people like this said it was inhumane. Now we have people being full blown phrenologists, wielding the calipers. How long until they bring up Trotsky's 'white nigger' comments?

However. The BlueAnon, Democrat, $100k a year shitlibs agreeing with her want full scale genocide in retaliation for Bucha. Here are a few examples.




How much you wanna bet this person cried buckets when George Floyd died and celebrated the removal of white statues? How much you wanna bet they marched with those mobs?

'The orcs are stealing toilets'



Says the Ogre Karen.

There was a silver lining:

Bluecheck Shitlib, whose pinned tweet is how obnoxious criticism isn't criticism, says Russian society is brutal and subtly implies it should be fixed the German way (in other words, the Marshall Plan).


This statement would be unacceptable to anything else. There is nothing on her timeline for Yemen, Somalia or Ethiopia.

A pro-LGBT, pro mask, pro Indigenous rights white liberal says Russians have a 'soul sickness'. 360k tweets.



The guy's page is filled to the brim with Bucha horror porn, with lots of talk about how NATO should finally intervene in this genocide and how doing so will not trigger WWIII.

What's absent is the total condemnation of China and its Uighur genocide, but I digress.


When in doubt, advocate for a Marshall Plan:


Kaspar here should learn about the Morgenthau Plan. Concocted by a Jew, it was a deliberate revenge plan to starve 30 million Germans to beat them into submission for all time. It was so extreme that it was switched for the Marshall Plan.

This is what these people want: as revenge, destroy an entire race of people for a political ideology.


They are referring to Patton's 'Russians are a ruthless Asiatic horde' comment. Dale here agrees they are subhuman rapists - but will never say that to Saudis or Ethiopians.


We can't have a Jew without revenge:



Lastly, here's Adam Kinzinger talking about Pearl Harbor with a John McCain supporter and a guy who insisted the 2016 election was worse than Pearl Harbor.


This one has a hilarious tweet thread, might post it in the general SJW thread/TDS thread.

So. The Bucha revelations has lead to new calls for sanctions and direct miltiary intervention. Every bluecheck you can imagine is getting enraged over this. The issue is whether or not people are going to believe it, having lived through the Iraq War bullshit.

Give it 24-48 hours, and we'll see if the Russkies really did gun down all the men in Bucha or that the Azov battalion did it.