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My son's recent autism diagnosis was no surprise. He can name every US president and count to 120, all before the age of 4.​


  • I had to wait months to have my son evaluated to see if he had autism spectrum disorder.
  • He knows many movie quotes by heart and can name every US president.
  • His diagnosis explains many of the traits he has that I love about him.
"Good night, Millard Fillmore. Good night, Calvin Coolidge." After James, my 3-year-old son, memorized the names and faces of every US president, he weaved them into his bedtime routine, seemingly creating his own version of "Goodnight Moon."

James took an interest in presidents after memorizing the shape of each US state and territory. He knew everything about the ABCs, even figuring out at 22 months which lowercase letters are identical flipped over, and he could count to 120 before turning 2. He can also read about 15 words.

James is academically advanced, but if you were to ask for his name and age, you'd likely be met with a blank stare. If you said hello, he'd probably remain silent until identifying a letter on one of your articles of clothing. Then he'd say the letter repeatedly, well after you acknowledged his comprehension of it. If you told him goodbye, he wouldn't say it back until you were out of earshot.

There's a reason my son has specific areas of interest but is lacking in social reciprocity and cues: James has autism spectrum disorder, a recent diagnosis found.

We had to wait for an evaluation​

The diagnosis came after we waited four months for an evaluation, as autism rates are on the rise and there aren't enough experts to go around. James started demonstrating signs of ASD — toe walking, gigantic reactions to changes in environment, resistance to haircuts, a sudden aversion to baths and swimming after previously loving both — shortly before the pandemic hit.

Though I've enrolled James in early-intervention educational programs and speech therapy to aid his communication, I have no interest in changing who he is at his core. It's because of his neurodivergence that he's so funny, entertaining, and engaging to be around.

He can quote many movies​

We have the same taste in family films, our favorites being "Home Alone" and "Dennis the Menace."

James quotes from movies and TV shows with the precise inflection, tone, and rhythm of the actor speaking, and he'll do it repeatedly until everyone is annoyed except the two of us.

This pertains to his echolalia, a disorder often seen in children on the spectrum that involves the repetition of another person's words.

Last summer, we were leaving a park when he proclaimed, "My name is Alyssa Callaway!" quoting Ashley Olsen in the 1995 comedy "It Takes Two." James used to recite lines from films all the time, using the emotion felt by the character to describe his own feelings. He might have borrowed an exasperated statement from Alyssa Callaway to express that he wasn't ready to leave the park.

I want him to express himself without having to rely on fictional characters, but I'm also charmed by this tendency.

It pains me to see my son observing children at the park, full of desire to join them but with no clue where to start. James' evaluating physician suggested we swap his presidents cards with Pokémon cards so he could be more relatable to peers. But I don't think flash cards are the problem, or that a different kind is the solution.

Before he can trade Pokémon cards, he must first feel comfortable saying hello to other kids. Then maybe the personality traits relating to his diagnosis — the movie quoting, jittery love for letters and numbers, and knowledge of US figures and geography — can help him find the sort of friend who'll be just as charmed by all this as I am.
 
It's not that autists are necessarily intelligent, they just funnel all their efforts into weird shit nobody cares about, and then people like this lady are impressed, because it seems scarce. She would probably be equally amazed if her kid memorized all the fake tech gobbledygook off Gundam kit boxes.
Instead of trying to funnel it into something productive they just make the kid completely worthless to himself and others.
 
Nice the mother is supporting him and trying to find way to get him to be more social, it is very important to do so as early as you can with people with autism but reading the article it also comes across she wants to him how he is at the same time.

Thing is people with autism change hobbies and interests all the time, so encouraging him to explore other interests which more children of his age group share is not a bad thing, if he doesn't enjoy pokemon cards then don't push it and look for something else. Also never want to get to a point where his interests are his only personality traits.
 
I fail to see how this is special enough to warrant an article.

Also the whole "before the age of 4" thing reeks with "my child (he's two) turned to me during the election and said 'mama is that orange man going to kill my other mommy for being gay?'" energy.
I'm half tempted to start a thread collecting these, for a lack of a better word, quotes.

"Insane parents on social media claiming their kids said profound shit" or something like that. This shit is so fucking dumb...
 
I hate this popular association between smart and autistic. I've worked in fields where supposedly autistic people are predisposed and you know what? Most of the people I work with are well-adjusted and great with socialisation. Do we occasionally have the semi-autistic type? Yes. Do they have some special gift at the work because they're autistic? No. In my experience an autistic person is easily as likely to be at the train station copying down train numbers as they are writing device drivers in C. What IS true, is that because certain careers had hard entry requirements and limited social interactivity with the general public, smart autistic people got funnelled into them. It doesn't mean if you're smart you're autistic. How about not sticking a label on the poor little kid. The diagnosis can sometimes be worse than the disease: it immediately absolves the kid of responsibility for their issues and it prejudices how parents and teachers treat the child.

Now it can also be a trigger to get a child that needs it extra help, and that's fine. But... I feel it's less often the case unless the child clearly and unmistakably got a problem.

Now the real issue is when the child tells you the dead presidents are saying goodnight back.
 
There's a huge amount of pressure on parents to "get your kid an autism diagnosis" when they show that they're highly intelligent and more interested in nerdy pursuits than whatever children's TV bullshit they're "supposed" to be interested in.

As soon as a kid is reading fluently at age 3 or doing middle/high school math when they're a kindergartener, people start speculating about what variety of retard they might actually be. And guess what? It literally doesn't matter how they act, people will bend over backwards to call a smart child "disordered" instead of just letting them be themselves.

Kid is introverted and solves algebra and geometry problems, plus reads a couple of non-fiction chapter books a day at age 6, then talks about what he's read? Must be autistic. Four year old is highly extroverted and loves other kids, but has the vocabulary and reading level of a 10 or 11 year old? Maybe he's got ADHD, have you considered getting him tested?

The idea of a kid who's just smart and should be encouraged in his or her potential seems to be totally lost on a lot of people, especially the uwu liberals. They're just automatically ready to insult kids who are just naturally highly intelligent, especially if those kids have smart parents. It goes against all of their "intelligence doesn't really exist and is a racist construct of the white man" ideas.
 
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"My kid is smart so he must be retarded" is a scalding hot take.

Having a smart kid won't get you mommy blogger attention. But having an autist will. This is 100% mom. She loves this. The kid is likely misdiagnosed and will be treated differently from other kids making it harder to make friends. This will result in him just being seen as more autistic.
Last summer, we were leaving a park when he proclaimed, "My name is Alyssa Callaway!" quoting Ashley Olsen in the 1995 comedy "It Takes Two."

So how long before mom decides this means her son is trans?
 
There's a huge amount of pressure on parents to "get your kid an autism diagnosis" when they show that they're highly intelligent and more interested in nerdy pursuits than whatever children's TV bullshit they're "supposed" to be interested in.

As soon as a kid is reading fluently at age 3 or doing middle/high school math when they're a kindergartener, people start speculating about what variety of retard they might actually be. And guess what? It literally doesn't matter how they act, people will bend over backwards to call a smart child "disordered" instead of just letting them be themselves.

Kid is introverted and solves algebra and geometry problems, plus reads a couple of non-fiction chapter books a day at age 6, then talks about what he's read? Must be autistic. Four year old is highly extroverted and loves other kids, but has the vocabulary and reading level of a 10 or 11 year old? Maybe he's got ADHD, have you considered getting him tested?

The idea of a kid who's just smart and should be encouraged in his or her potential seems to be totally lost on a lot of people, especially the uwu liberals. They're just automatically ready to insult kids who are just naturally highly intelligent, especially if those kids have smart parents. It goes against all of their "intelligence doesn't really exist and is a racist construct of the white man" ideas.
I think one source of this is that people no longer get their expectations of what a kid will be like from older relatives and friends but from media depictions. A grandparent would probably say something like "Oh, I remember you used to be able to name all the My Little Ponies" or whatever and show the parent that their kid is normal (as much as any are!). But instead they have ideas from TV that a kid wouldn't be interested in memorizing the presidents or whatever but that "autistic" children are the only ones that stand out as smart.

That expectation leads people to label their children as per media stereotypes.

I mean who knows - maybe the kid is autistic for all we know. But this doesn't show it and labels can be harmful.
 
James used to recite lines from films all the time, using the emotion felt by the character to describe his own feelings. He might have borrowed an exasperated statement from Alyssa Callaway to express that he wasn't ready to leave the park.

the kid sounds like Bumblebee from the Bayformers movies, I too speak via movie quotes and radio advertisements
 
Part of me says this is an (probably above) average kid and mom doesn't know it. I remember when the ADD/ADHD shit started getting pushed and a lot of kids were getting medicated because of it; when their only problem was they needed extra effort and some discipline in their life to pay attention. This isn't new, little kids have a lot of energy and if they focus that energy into learning shit, they can soak information up like a sponge.

When I was a kid, we used to have these standardized tests to see who's below, at, or exceeding their grade level. The smart ones got into the GATE (Gifted and Talented Education) program. And from what I can tell, we've normalized mediocrity so fucking hard, we can't call anyone gifted, they're various flavors of retarded. Kids don't need to be medicated and given special privileges, they need to be guided.
 
Every kid is a sped about something. It changes as they get older. There are tons of legit autists out there, but I really feel like we're diagnosing too early.

Kids are fucking weird. They say and do weird stuff. They don't fully understand reality. Autism can often be a crutch for life for a lot of people. I wouldn't be quick to put that in their head so soon.
 
I think most four year olds can count to high hundreds can’t they?
Kids at that age often have huge obsessive knowledge about random subjects and yet be total retards about other stuff. Ive yet to meet a four year old who wasn’t a sperg about dinosaurs or cars or whatever they’re into. It’s just being a kid, and learning through systemising.
Ditto freaking out at hair washes, and walking on toes. Yes it can be a sign of special needs but it can also just be Kid Stuff. Hair washes suck, shampoo in your eyes sucks. Crowds suck. Dinosaurs don’t suck and there are many facts to learn.
I really dislike this rush to label everyone with a disorder. Help kids with the things they need help with. Buy your kid one of those flying saucer things for hair washes, ffs and go slowly - don’t label the poor little sod as abnormal. If I was growing up these days I’d probably be labelled with all the tisms and really I’m not that weird
 
I was a huge sperg about dinosaurs as a kid. Could name literally every one of them and the different periods they were located in. I knew girls that were spergs about horses and mermaids. Boys who never shut the fuck up about hockey and trains. Kids would repeat shit over and over for no rhyme or reason. One kid I knew liked to pretend he was a cat and would meow at random intervals during the day. One girl changed her name three times over the course of the week and declared herself the queen of Delta Airlines.

The point is that kids make no goddamn sense and they're just having fun and being quirky. 99.9% of them grew out of it. The ones that I knew who didn't mostly just ended up as weird introverts but otherwise functional.
 
Being smart means you have a mental disorder. Welcome to mediocrity in the modem world.
You joke but that's not too far from the truth. If below-average intelligence is a mental disorder, then that also means above-average and the like is a mental disorder, too, because they're both different from the "average norm". How one's brain is wired determines your likelihood of mental disorders/illnesses, and when you're smarter than the average bear and thus no one else understands you, you're going to go mad/become much more pessimistic from that isolation which will then send you into a spiraling depression.

He knew everything about the ABCs, even figuring out at 22 months which lowercase letters are identical flipped over
And yet there's nothing else in this article that states the kid can actually read. Was going to say, he may be autistic but he may also have hyperlexia, literally the polar opposite of dyslexia where a child before the age of 5 can read and articulate full written sentences as well as comprehend what they read all on their own. But if there's nothing about him reading books on his own time, then I guess he's just autistic and I hope he's getting the therapy and training he needs to function later in life.

Although to go back to the "high intelligence is a mental disorder" spiel, what if I'm actually a 'tard in disguise because I legit have no idea how I'm going to approach teaching a child how to read because I have hyperlexia? Literally no one had to sit me down to teach me how to read, so how do you teach children how to read?
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