The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Zero Day Defense]

"DON'T POST MEAN THINGS ON MY PROFILE HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE RETARDED THINGS I SAY! JANNIES COME SWEEP IT UP I CAN'T HANDLE BEING CRITICIZED FOR MY INCELDOM!"

I haven't reported any of your comments.

 

[gang weeder]

Again actual scientists who knew their shit> you

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20494736/

As I've said 5000 times, animals also display all of these behaviors. If this is all it takes to be conscious, humans and animals are equal in this respect. This would imply that infanticide is more akin to putting a pet to sleep than to murder.

Address the study I quoted

Brain scans are what scientists use to study conscienceness

Repeating the same appeals to authority and empty assertions over and over doesn't strengthen your position.

 

[Lurker]

I haven't reported any of your comments.

The last person who continued their forum gripe onto my profile page got banned repeatedly for lack of self control.

now how could that have happened? were the jannies just stalking your profile page? hm, it sure makes you wonder how someone could be banned for posting on someone's profile unless the person who owns the profile reported it. like a giant incel pussy.

i just want people who see your profile to get to know you better, since your inceldom is a large part of your personality. i did you a favor. you're welcome. C:

 

[Zero Day Defense]

now how could that have happened? were the jannies just stalking your profile page

No.

APC got banned (repeatedly) for his forum activities, not what he did on my profile page (which didn't break rules or particularly offend but was very annoying and cluttering). Bringing him up was me pointing out that the APC that got banned was the kind of person who would do the things that you're doing now.

Actually, he was a bit better because all he did was import thread discussions onto my page instead of keeping them in the threads where they started. You've doubleposted worthless crap alongside someone who posted a shock image and someone else who also posted worthless crap, supposedly for the purpose of marking me an "incel" as opposed to you being inexplicably furious and seething.

But I still haven't reported any of your comments.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

1. How could you read self awareness off of a brain scan chart? In order to test this, you would have to identify a specific "brain portion" that, when disabled somehow, causes the person to lose self awareness. Has this ever been done? Not that I am aware of.

This is why I just keep calling you a dumb faggot. You keep falling back on your ignorance as a defense. I'm not going to spoon feed you knowledge you can literally just google.

2. Let's grant your premise for 2 seconds. A coma patient does not have the electrical activity seen on whatever brain scans you're posting. Let us posit that you have a person in a coma--little to no brain activity, objectively not conscious or self-aware. However, you know that in a few months, this person will wake up and regain consciousness. Is it okay to kill the person, because they are not self aware at the moment of their death?

Shit analogy is still shit for a myriad of reasons.

1. This scenario is bullshit. You cannot know if or when someone will wake up from a coma. Even then, the odds of waking up even after a couple weeks are basically non-existent.
2. This isn't even how comas work. Your brain doesn't just shutoff completely.
3. You're opening an entire retarded can of worms with this analogy where you imply that if a defining function of a thing is temporarily paused, even if theoretically it retains the capability if it were "turned on", it is no longer this thing. This would be like saying a computer is no longer a computer if you turn it off. It's fucking retarded faggy semantics bullshit and you don't believe it to be true outside of this one gotcha analogy.

tldr - a coma patient and a fetus are not the same no matter how many mental gymnastics you want to engage. you don't even believe that yourself so quit bringing it up.

 

[Lurker]

No.

APC got banned (repeatedly) for his forum activities, not what he did on my profile page (which didn't break rules or particularly offend but was very annoying and cluttering). Bringing him up was me pointing out that the APC that got banned was the kind of person who would do the things that you do.

Actually, he was a bit better because all he did was import thread discussions onto my page instead of keeping them in the threads where they started. You've doubleposted worthless crap alongside someone who posted a shock image and someone else who also posted worthless crap, supposedly for the purpose of marking me an "incel" as opposed to you being inexplicably furious and seething.

But I still haven't reported any of your comments.

cool, but you're still an incel who hates women and will never get laid and you have no business telling women what they do with their bodies.

as an aside, this is really going offtopic. i can call you an incel 'til the cows come home, but that's gay and boring. i invite you to come onto my profile so i can call you an incel there instead.

 

[Epic Fail Man]

The first honest abortion advocate I've seen. "Yeah, if it were up to me, we should be able to smother infants because they aren't people either lol." Bravo sir, bravo. Notable is that some of these other abortion defenders liked your post, so presumably they agree with your defense of infanticide, they just don't have the balls to say it themselves.

please explain to me how babies have sentience and are not just things wiggling around and making noises.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

please explain to me how babies have sentience and are not just things wiggling around and making noises.

Hypothetically, if babies are sentient before I blended them into my morning smoothie, but I was able to use magic to reconstruct them back into a living sentient baby, would my smoothie be sentient still?

 

[Niggaplease]

Of course you don't take responsibility for sinking yourself into a drinking problem in the first place.

so your point?
I drank people took advantage of that, just because I drank doesn't lessen the fact that someone took advantage of me being a drunk.

Because you chose to rent out your body in the first place and you chose to put yourself under the protection of a violent man who insisted you go out and surround yourself with other violent men.

if I was sober I wouldn't have been in a position like that to begin with, and its hardly a choice when your only options was do it or get beat with in a bloody inch of your life.

There's a difference between never conceiving and killing someone who was already conceived. Once they're there, the point is to do your best to ensure that they can have the best life they can (and don't talk about how welfare needs to be supported for that, that's irrelevant to the matter of killing kids and it's also you pushing your responsibility onto everyone else). We don't kill orphans because their lives aren't ideal.

If I got pregnant from my ex or any one of my clients, you want to know what I would do?
yeet the fetus from my womb, one too many kids grow up fucked in the head because their moms were whores, two my ex was a pyschopath who believed the same way about women, that we're useless. you and I will never procreate, me out of choice, you for being a an edgy spergy incel.

But it's not as if there's some honor in you choosing to not have children "because it's not a good idea"-- the fact that you don't even see yourself capable of raising a child is a net negative reflection on yourself because it's you refusing to improve to at least be capable of the task.

yes because every woman aspires to be a mother, never mind that some people just don't want to be a parent.

Here's what you fail to realize.

Every single bit of the institution of abortion is helmed by men. You rely on men to make abortion legal by legislation and verdicts. You rely on men to perform the abortions. You rely on men to design and make the tools and drugs involved in the abortion. You rely on men to fund the institution. And you're even okay with men talking about abortion as long as they only say "YAS QUEEN, SLAY". This is the case because women want it to be the case, not because they couldn't helm it all themselves-- especially now.

Imagine being the faggot that complains about abortion and child support in the same breath.

You don't have "bodily autonomy". Roe doesn't guarantee you bodily autonomy, which is why even Planned Parenthood v. Casey allows states to make abortion restrictions past """viability"""-- even though it tries in vain to establish that standard to replace the standard of trimesters made in Roe.

well I am sorry I believe the government has no business in what I chose to do to my own body.

Law as a whole doesn't grant you bodily autonomy-- in fact, it restricts your bodily autonomy, sometimes even when its exercise wouldn't or otherwise provably didn't affect anybody else. And what do you think the draft is?

I think the draft is diffferent from the whole banning a medical procedure due to moral fagging.

But I'm really not interested in talking about the value of "bodily autonomy" with someone who could sell her own so cheaply, who keeps arguing that she didn't have agency even where she did, and who doesn't get that it couldn't ever be relevant when we're talking about securing the services of a third person (the person who actually does the abortion).

If I had a shot for every time you fall back on you were a whore in a dark point in your life so nanana I'd be black out drunk. If I was sober and not addicted heavily to alkie like a female ethan ralph minus the gunt, then I would've never been a whore, again when you have a really severe addiction, it can take you to some pretty dark places. shit I even a thread stating I don't think sex work is a choice or valid. but even still your arguing oh silly whore you have no say in abortions because whoredom, your a man, you have no ovaries, no womb no cervix no vagina, you do not bleed once a month, you don't have to worry about getting knocked due to a one fucky wucky, your attitude literally prevents you from procreating, you have even less of a say than me.

Because your comment literally-- not figuratively, literally-- made me vomit.

PSA INTERNET IS ISN'T REAL LIFE
if your that triggered and mati over a comment by a user thats on you faggot.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

cool, but you're still an incel

False. I've refused the opportunity to initiate sex in the past, even when being goaded.

Prior to that, I learned to value my convictions regarding premarital sexual contact (close to sex, but not quite) the hard way-- by violating them out of my weakness and suffering the consequences well after the incident.

who hates women

False. You believe that I hate women because it's convenient for you to believe so. I've never said anything that would so much as intimate misogyny-- my concern re: abortion has entirely been about the morality of killing children in the womb.

On the other hand, you marginalize women who disagree with you as the tools of men who merely want to control women, as opposed to recognizing them as women about as opinionated as you.

and you have no business telling women what they do with their bodies.

Ensure that the institution of abortion is entirely managed by women. Ensure that only women are the ones legislating and making verdicts on abortion topics. Ensure that only women's taxpayer dollars go towards the institution.

Finally, ensure that children aren't in fact the future of a community and that their termination isn't everyone's business on that matter alone.

Do at least any of this, instead of insisting that men operate as nothing but your dispensaries for your whims while the only thing they're allowed to say is whatever you want them to say.

as an aside, this is really going offtopic. i can call you an incel 'til the cows come home, but that's gay and boring. i invite you to come onto my profile so i can call you an incel there instead.

...I'm just going to not talk to you-- this is beyond wasteful.

It's really pathetic to go out of your way to invite someone onto your page so you can seethe at them more.

 

[Lurker]

False. I've refused the opportunity to initiate sex in the past, even when being goaded.

Prior to that, I learned to value my convictions regarding premarital sexual contact (close to sex, but not quite) the hard way-- by violating them out of my weakness and suffering the consequences well after the incident.


False. You believe that I hate women because it's convenient for you to believe so. I've never said anything that would so much as intimate misogyny-- my concern re: abortion has entirely been about the morality of killing children in the womb.

On the other hand, you marginalize women who disagree with you as the tools of men who merely want to control women, as opposed to women about as opinionated as you.


Ensure that the institution of abortion is entirely managed by women. Ensure that only women are the ones legislating and making verdicts on abortion topics. Ensure that only women's taxpayer dollars go towards the institution.

Finally, ensure that children aren't in fact the future of a community and that their termination isn't everyone's business on that matter alone.

Do at least any of this, instead of insisting that men operate as nothing but your dispensaries for your whims while the only thing they're allowed to say (as opposed to nothing at all) is whatever you want them to say.


...I'm just going to not talk to you-- this is beyond wasteful.

It's really pathetic to go out of your way to invite someone onto your page so you can seethe at them more.

keep on being a triggered incel, then. toodles!

edit: @Zero Day Defense has stated that he just won't talk to me. i wonder how long this will last before he comes right back in with another long screed of nothing but seething and projection from a very upset little man. just for the record, you know.

 

[Niggaplease]

keep on being a triggered incel, then. toodles!

Yeah I'm bouncing too
@Zero Day Defense:"WHY WON'T WAHAMIN TOUCH MY PEEPEEEEEE??!?!?!?!?!"

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

More like care about killing babies by dehumanizing them with words lol

Fetuses aren't babies. I can't help it you fundies love fetuses more than humans. You like them more because it's easier to care about fetuses than humans. You are anti-welfare, but fetuses don't need welfare. You hate women who have sex, and it's easy to punish them for you by making them have babies.

Killing humans would be (not cool), but Jews aren't human.

Ahhh, that explains it. You gotta be a really big retard to live in Europe and whiteknight the people who invaded your country 80 years ago.

 

[gang weeder]

please explain to me how babies have sentience and are not just things wiggling around and making noises.

They don't and they are.

This is why I just keep calling you a dumb faggot. You keep falling back on your ignorance as a defense. I'm not going to spoon feed you knowledge you can literally just google.

No, you keep falling back on "because it just is" as a defense. A brain scan alone cannot determine self-awareness.

1. This scenario is bullshit. You cannot know if or when someone will wake up from a coma. Even then, the odds of waking up even after a couple weeks are basically non-existent.

You can when it comes to fetuses, can you not? The fetus is not yet conscious, but there is a near-certainty that in time, it will be. Unless you kill it first, of course.

1. You're opening an entire retarded can of worms with this analogy where you imply that if a defining function of a thing is temporarily paused, even if theoretically it retains the capability if it were "turned on", it is no longer this thing. This would be like saying a computer is no longer a computer if you turn it off. It's fucking retarded faggy semantics bullshit and you don't believe it to be true outside of this one gotcha analogy.

tldr - a coma patient and a fetus are not the same no matter how many mental gymnastics you want to engage. you don't even believe that yourself so quit bringing it up.

No, your viewpoint is the one which gives rise to a "retarded can of worms" here with your belief that brain activity alone defines personhood. I don't believe that electrical activity in the brain is the definition of personhood, so I have no cognitive dissonance in this scenario. I believe that an unconscious person is still a person. Something which you tacitly admit when you say "This would be like saying a computer is no longer a computer if you turn it off." Yes, the electrical activity in the computer while it is actively running is not its sole defining feature of existence, and the same is clearly true with human beings.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

I don't believe that electrical activity in the brain is the definition of personhood, so I have no cognitive dissonance in this scenario. I believe that an unconscious person is still a person.

This is so fucking funny, and the fact you don't know why it's funny makes it even funnier.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Fetuses aren't babies.

Yes they are.

yada yada cock sucking good yada yada

Ahhh, that explains it. You gotta be a really big retard to live in Europe and whiteknight the people who invaded your country 80 years ago.

What the fuck are you even talking about anymore, Triple H? Are you off your meds again?

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

Finally, ensure that children aren't in fact the future of a community and that their termination isn't everyone's business on that matter alone.

I am just going to respond to this

fetus aren’t children and you don’t care about kids

Conservatives will bitch about abortion being baby murder but once the child is actually born they don’t care about it Then they will vote against free healthcare for poor kids

I have said this multiple times but abortion prevents actual baby murder

https://aeon.co/essays/the-roots-of-infanticide-run-deep-and-begin-with-poverty

Some quotes from article

Actual rates of child murder did not significantly decline in Europe until the popularisation of condoms in the late 19th century eliminated much of the necessity. That is: we stopped killing our babies only when we started having fewer of them.

There are reasons to believe that infanticide could make a larger comeback. Recent years have seen increasing efforts, particularly in the United States, to make abortion illegal while restricting access to birth control. Religious groups are pushing this agenda worldwide, with success in Africa, where birth control has been stigmatised as a form of genocide. The backers of these policies believe them to be pro-baby; as the group Human Life International puts it, they’re protecting ‘the traditionally life-loving African culture’. The real results, however can be seen in a country such as Senegal, where access to birth control is limited, and all forms of abortion are illegal – and where almost one in five incarcerated women are in prison for infanticide.

 

[gang weeder]

This is so fucking funny, and the fact you don't know why it's funny makes it even funnier.

Back to insults due to having no argument.

I am going to start off wow you are a salty ass bitch.
I love how you go into a tirade as if I should feel some guilt over the fact the at some point in life I was forced into situations I didn't wanna be in, like I should feel guilt or ashamed. the truth is unlike you nigger faggot, I don't lament things that happened in the past because guess what? theres no point in it. It happened, I can be miserable for the rest of my life, or I can be happy, and I've chosen happiness. Its retarded to constantly dwell on it.
Your attempts at chiding me for my previous whoredom, isn't working. which by the way was through exploitation and substance abuse, fails because unlike you, I acknowledge my mistakes and faults, as that mistakes and faults. Your definitely the type that will crack eventually and buy a whore to solve your perpetual virginity. I am a shitty human being, I've come to terms with that, but to be honest I'd much rather be me than you, because it must be pretty sad to sit here on kiwi farms whining "WHY WON'T WOMEN TOUCH MY PEEPEE?!" while typing spergy essay long incel posts about abortion and whether a woman who was in engaged in sex work has a right to talk about abortion. Which btw I do, because despite my past I am still a woman, and capable of having kids still.

Whores advocating for abortion seems to me like welfare queens advocating for more taxes. Except worse, since the welfare queen is only trying to get more legal theft, while the whore is trying to enable baby murder.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Back to insults due to having no argument.



Whores advocating for abortion seems to me like welfare queens advocating for more taxes. Except worse, since the welfare queen is only trying to get more legal theft, while the whore is trying to enable baby murder.

You talk a lot about no arguments, but I've seen zero arguments from you. What's your definition of a person big boi?

 

[PenneHead]

dictionary.com "sentient": having the power of perception by the senses; conscious.

Even bugs have the power of perception by the senses, so we can discard that.

"conscious": aware of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings, etc.

There is no evidence that infants are "conscious" in this sense any more than animals or, again, insects. Do you think it is okay to kill an infant?



Adoption or foster care. Certainly not murder of the child. Although if you have a different suggestion from these two options I'd actually be quite curious to hear it.

I think before just making abortion illegal completely I think it’s necessary to consider decreasing the numbers of abortions & fix other factors that can lead to no choice but to consider abortions.



I think debating on whether or not a fetus is a human being or can feel things is a pointless one because you can never get anywhere with it.



I also think if taking a life is not okay no matter what we shouldn’t make exceptions. So with that logic victims of rape should also be forced to have the rapists babies and doctors asking if people would want to abort their babies due to stuff like Down syndrome and other disabilities/medical reasons. If you are pro life and pro birth you need to value all life no matter how they look like and how they are. No exceptions mean no exceptions. Same goes with people who are charged with first degree murder.



>The first step is to normalize sex education and teach more in-depth about sex education and the pro’s and cons. When it comes to the birds and bees conversations a lot of parents are weirded about by it for some strange reason. It’s important to have these conversations with children so that they can prepare themselves in the future.



>Women should have better access to birth control products. Birth control can become excessively expensive (me as an example.) I pay around 200$ with insurance covering some every 3 months not because I want to go out and have intercourse but because I suffer from irregular mensural cycles.



>The foster care and adoption system need to be reformed. I think the foster care and adoption system is very flawed right now and can damage children’s health at a very young age. Foster parents need to be better traIned. Plenty of foster parents are not professionals are are not trained or know how to react to certain things. Access to social workers and qualifications or social workers need to be improved.