Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Spicey McHaggis]

Pissed off Ruskies kill a bunch of civilians while retreating. Azov moves in. "Hey your neighbors got shot. Why didn't you? Must be a collaborateur. Shoot him!"

Then pile them all up together and say it was Putin.

That would be the most fitting eastern European shit show option.

 

[Wy4M]

fyi - Here's an ebook "Ukrainian war crimes and human rights violations 2017-2020"
It helps to understand why and what is happening right now.

https://democracyfund.ru/userfiles/Ukrainian_Crimes_2017-2020.pdf

Wayback Machine

 

[bread n circuses]

A bunch of people showed up dead north of Kiev, and we're having a meltdown arguing if Russian retards shot everyone that looked at them funny, or Azov retards shot everything in front of them.

Honestly, probably a bit of both, knowing this clownfuck of a war.

I could see it, personally my first thought was that they were people killed by Russians but dragged into a central location for a nice photo op. When you advertise that you’re giving civilians guns, you’re increasing the danger to your entire population.

 

[draggs]

Moskals are limiting their strikes tho, through it's less because of humanitarianism and more because they couldn't rebuild infraestructure.

The limitation of airstrikes in particular seems to be more from bad equipment and coordination than anything else

Also a strategic military (not humane) choice in that Russia seems to have thought it would win without using massed rocket and conventional artillery. Kharkov started getting pasted two weeks in once it became clear that more asplodey was necessary, Mariupol has been almost leveled, I suspect Kiev got off light because that and Lvov are where nearly all the Western media is concentrated so if Russia had started leveling Kiev there would have been horrific pictures and video splashed across the global consciousness nonstop

 

[UmQasaan]

>Russians dindu nuffing because there are empty RU ration cartons among the other piles of trash around the corpses, furthermore it proves that it was the ukrops that did the genocide.
You guys are really going for the gold medal, huh?
Also here are your anti-nazi russian soldiers fighting for the denazification of Ukraine right next to Denis Pushilin bro, must be those new Antifa patches.
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Not only are you seething, but the value of your opinion is completely worthless and added nothing new to the discussion

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

A lot of press was present.

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https://twitter.com/AlphaWarNews/status/1510983317541203970

https://archive.ph/hQ0N0

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Two missed opportunities for some epic drone strikes from the Russians.

 

[drateR]

Some of these Ukrainian TG channels posting ARMA 3 footage have to be Russian gayops, right? I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded without it being on purpose.

 

[Borscht]

Two missed opportunities for some epic drone strikes from the Russians.

Russia wants the kike manlet to get them off the hook, not to become even more of a martyr than he already is. Our high command needs him to sign the truce.

Also, considering that he aged 30 years in a month and can't stop rubbing his schnoz, I say he is sniffing a lot of nose candy.

 

[Getting tard comed]

The limitation of airstrikes in particular seems to be more from bad equipment and coordination than anything else

Also a strategic military (not humane) choice in that Russia seems to have thought it would win without using massed rocket and conventional artillery. Kharkov started getting pasted two weeks in once it became clear that more asplodey was necessary, Mariupol has been almost leveled, I suspect Kiev got off light because that and Lvov are where nearly all the Western media is concentrated so if Russia had started leveling Kiev there would have been horrific pictures and video splashed across the global consciousness nonstop

How many times are you going to get this wrong? Russia has been negotiating this entire time this war has been going on. Their whole doctrine is based on negotiate, don't get what you want, escalate, the. Negotiate some more then escalate when you don't get what you want. Repeat until desired effect.

Please.. PLEASE stop being dumb. It makes reading this thread SPECIFICALLY FOR DIFFERING OPINIONS borderline unbearable with stupidity this hard. Your argument is Russia moved all the ammunition an equipment they needed to bomb shit TWO WEEKS INTO THE WAR AFTER THEY MET RESISTANCE THEY DIDNT PREDICT WOULD BE THERE. It shows an incredible ignorance to think that's possible. It's borderline retarded to think that's what happened, particularly when we already have a pattern of behavior for Russia that explains their actions in how they've engaged for the last 30+ years.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

fyi - Here's an ebook "Ukrainian war crimes and human rights violations 2017-2020"
It helps to understand why and what is happening right now.
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https://democracyfund.ru/userfiles/Ukrainian_Crimes_2017-2020.pdf

Wayback Machine

Reminder that pretty much every prominent separatist leader, both military and civilian from the 2014 Donbas and Lugansk conflicts was killed in "unrelated terrorist attacks" after the war ended. And I'm not talking people getting shot, or shanked in a crowd, I'm talking carbombing hospitals and apartment buildings, and shooting RPGs into crowded office buildings to kill one guy, with no regard to civilian deaths.

 

[Sammich]

thank you for not calming down

anyway lol you think I save links to posts on notepad or something that's some real autistic shit, i'm not going through 1800 pages of this thread and the last one to find specific posts because some mati guy demands it. what a waste of time that would be

but i will give you a specific reference, Gehenna was saying in the last thread two, two and a half weeks ago about how Russia and Belarus were about to drive south and cut off resupply to Kiev from the west which of course never happened

i suppose another one would be in order, when Russia took the ZapowhatfuckingeverfucktheseSlavnames nuclear power plant people were speculating that Ukraine was going to get the lights shut off and it would be real bad for their ability to continue fighting. of course Ukraine has continued fighting successfully since then

i gladly point you to the hilarious writings of tom luongo and pepe escobar for examples of the pro-Russian commentary I peruse off of kiwi farms dot net

the amount of people in these two threads saying Russia is going to partition Ukraine is quite large and it's really silly of you to angrily demand i 'prove' people said it

same goes for the numerous claims that Russia in its great humaneness wasn't attacking cities and that was the reason Ukraine was still capable of resisting, it's been said hundreds of times in the two threads

now then please continue being mati

No proof, gotcha bud.

 

[Kane Lives]

Russia wants the kike manlet to get them off the hook, not to become even more of a martyr than he already is. Our high command needs him to sign the truce.

Also, considering that he aged 30 years in a month and can't stop rubbing his schnoz, I say he is sniffing a lot of nose candy.

Tbh I'd rather they shell the journoswine convoy instead.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

Some of these Ukrainian TG channels posting ARMA 3 footage have to be Russian gayops, right? I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded without it being on purpose.
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What do you mean? Ukrainian superchads can reload stingers at a rate of about one per every two seconds, without making any noise, don't discredit their superhuman ability.

 

[Borscht]

Russia's second attempt at calling a UN security council meeting over Bucha failed. Apparently London's reply was "I'M WORKING ON IT".

 

[Mr Processor]

This is from Georgetown Security Studies Review​

Russian Counterinsurgency Doctrine During The Second Chechen War 1999-2009​

Russia has historically demonstrated a powerful ability to outmaneuver insurgents before they can gather sufficient momentum to exhaust Russian resources and resolve. Russian Colonel Sergey Kulikov, quoting Kennedy’s 1962 West Point address, stated that “war with insurgents…is a war where victory is achieved by taxing and exhausting the forces of the opponent rather than by destroying him.” [xvi] This has usually been the fleas’ goal: to exhaust the soldiers and the will of the people in order to force the enemy to give-up and leave. However, Russia has been able to subvert this dilemma by drafting and draining the rebels to force them to stay. By pragmatically force-feeding rebel leaders a spoonful of sugar to make the medicine go down, Moscow crafted a historically congruent counter-ideology. Russia exhausted both the rebels and locals by using brutal coercive tactics and then, once their will to fight was almost extinguished, injecting a non-violent counter-ideology. ​

I was curious about how the Russians approach counterinsurgency warfare so I looked it up. Obviously, the creators of this are likely putting this together in the idea of "How can we beat Russia?" and it isn't without bias.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

I could see it, personally my first thought was that they were people killed by Russians but dragged into a central location for a nice photo op. When you advertise that you’re giving civilians guns, you’re increasing the danger to your entire population.

I'm pretty sure the Russian massacre story is bullshit (nb it came right after another, less malicious but still revealing lie, that they were bravely "recapturing" these areas when they literally just drove in after the Russians left, lol)

However, we will probably never know the truth because this is the kind of horrifying Third World shithole the Ukraine is:

'There was heroism and cruelty on both sides': the truth behind one of Ukraine's deadliest days

A year on from rioting and a fire in Odessa that left 48 pro-Russia activists dead, there are claims of complicity between police and activists across the divide

www.theguardian.com

They were beating, shooting and burning each other to death long before the Rooskies showed up. 48 people were killed in Odessa in one day alone, while the police stood with their thumbs up their asses, and nobody was ever convicted. Instead of being ashamed of this, Ukies hate each other more than ever.

What a country!

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Russia's second attempt at calling a UN security council meeting over Bucha failed. Apparently London's reply was "I'M WORKING ON IT".

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This has always been a failing of the security council, the five nations there have too many mutually exclusive interests to actually allow them to do anything. Especially when it just takes one vote. I'm not even focusing on any one country, they've all pulled this shit.

 

[DumbDude42]

Russia's second attempt at calling a UN security council meeting over Bucha failed. Apparently London's reply was "I'M WORKING ON IT".

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they probably expect it to devolve into yet another round of schizo talk like the one they called about the biolab meme so they dont even bother anymore lel

This has always been a failing of the security council, the five nations there have too many mutually exclusive interests to actually allow them to do anything. Especially when it just takes one vote. I'm not even focusing on any one country, they've all pulled this shit.

the council is intentionalyl designed this way. the only way you can get great powers to submit to an institution like this is by offering them immunity in the form of unilateral veto power. without that, none of the big players would have joined and recognized the councils authority in the first place.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

thank you for not calming down

anyway lol you think I save links to posts on notepad or something that's some real autistic shit, i'm not going through 1800 pages of this thread and the last one to find specific posts because some mati guy demands it. what a waste of time that would be

but i will give you a specific reference, Gehenna was saying in the last thread two, two and a half weeks ago about how Russia and Belarus were about to drive south and cut off resupply to Kiev from the west which of course never happened

i suppose another one would be in order, when Russia took the ZapowhatfuckingeverfucktheseSlavnames nuclear power plant people were speculating that Ukraine was going to get the lights shut off and it would be real bad for their ability to continue fighting. of course Ukraine has continued fighting successfully since then

i gladly point you to the hilarious writings of tom luongo and pepe escobar for examples of the pro-Russian commentary I peruse off of kiwi farms dot net

the amount of people in this thread saying Russia is going to partition Ukraine is quite large and it's really silly of you to angrily demand i 'prove' people said it

same goes for the numerous claims that Russia in its great humaneness wasn't attacking cities and that was the reason Ukraine was still capable of resisting, it's been said hundreds of times in the two threads

now then please continue being mati

For some reason people here really want to believe that Russia is holding back significantly, while partly true because they haven't mobilized yet and aren't completely razing cities yet, they are sending many of their better units and equipment.

Many of the divisions and armies involved are on the prestigious end of things and consist of some of their better troops, such as 1st Guards Tank Army which has been involved around Kharkiv.

They are sending their best equipment that actually entered serial production, if you take the major modern equipment Russia has that people keep mentioning, like the SU-57, the T-14, and the T-90M, you won't even get 100 pieces of equipment if you send every single one of them to Ukraine. they suffer from the same issue a lot of late war German WW2 designs had, they are produced in so few numbers that their overall strategic value is very low. I don't think war is a numbers game where you can get by with making shit tons of T-34s anymore, but if you can only make a couple dozen of something they won't be worth much against a major army, because even if you only lose a single one per day you're going to run out of them fast.

People still believe that Russia is this gigantic military superpower still, pointing to their military spending, but that's only an on paper number. I'm willing to bet at least half of that budget winds up either A.) Basically evaporates because it ends up in some Quartermaster or Officer's pocket instead of being spent on keeping things maintained and up to date. B) Spent on stupid projects that never actually make it to serial production like a nuclear powered cruise missile. C.) Spent on keeping Russia stupidly large nuclear arsenal of 6,000 warheads maintained, which is extremely expensive when even 1,000 warheads will cut costs massively and still be a massive deterrent.

This whole thing really should show people that Russia is a paper tiger, the whole Russia being a military superpower is a figment of the USSR days where they actually had a good amount of that military power they boasted about and the West had every reason to hype them up, but a lot of that was due to their manpower and relative high tech military production equal to the US during a good part of the Cold War.

Now Russia struggles making high tech military equipment in actually strategic significant numbers, many of their modernized T-72s and T-80s still seemingly lack Hard Kill APS, and they completely lack blowout panels (which is why the Turret Throwing Competition has been such a fierce contest), they've been struggling to make rifle scopes standard issue (most engagements take place in the 100-300m range, which is why ACOGs are so popular, but even Red Dot Sights can help), their NCO corps are laughable and prevent opportunities from being enacted upon and force them to stick to a heavily detailed plan (this is also a major reason we've been seeing so many dead Russian junior and senior officers), and we've been seeing so many armored units getting ambushed and destroyed because they have either no infantry support or very little (Seriously what the fuck this shit was figured out in WW2 where armored doctrine was actually solidified, this isn't the interwar years where nobody knows what exactly we should do with this new 'Tank' thing).

 

[draggs]

How many times are you going to get this wrong? Russia has been negotiating this entire time this war has been going on. Their whole doctrine is based on negotiate, don't get what you want, escalate, the. Negotiate some more then escalate when you don't get what you want. Repeat until desired effect.

These spergouts are really persuasive tbh

Although I wonder who Russia was supposed to negotiate with, as according to Russia the government of Ukraine is Nazi and the goal of the special military operation, as initially proclaimed by the Russians, was to de-Nazify the country

Please.. PLEASE stop being dumb. It makes reading this thread SPECIFICALLY FOR DIFFERING OPINIONS borderline unbearable with stupidity this hard.

The way you are speaking to me, satisfying your sensibilities would obviously be high on my list of priorities lol

Sometimes I forget that this website is mostly populated with the extremely socially inept then someone reminds me

Like you

Your argument is Russia moved all the ammunition an equipment they needed to bomb shit TWO WEEKS INTO THE WAR AFTER THEY MET RESISTANCE THEY DIDNT PREDICT WOULD BE THERE.

I didn't say that Russia moved all that materiel two weeks into the war. I said that's when Russia started using it.

For raving and tearing your shirt about how stupid people are, your reading comprehension (a key measure of intelligence) is not very proficient

It shows an incredible ignorance to think that's possible. It's borderline retarded to think that's what happened, particularly when we already have a pattern of behavior for Russia that explains their actions in how they've engaged for the last 30+ years.

Well I'm glad I didn't think that then. Although I don't hold the same confidence in your opinion as to what is plausible as you do