Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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Zelensky literally “lost” information about the supposed government snipers that kicked Maidan into overdrive after international observers began casting doubts on the story. Ukraine is not above killing its own civilians to own the Russians, it’s almost definitely done it before. That’s why I don’t support Ukrainians going and dying for their piece of shit government that has never done anything for them but cause them misery.

True but I'm honestly thinking that the Chechnyan fighters probably committed some oopsies and probably offed some civilians in a fit of anger. I know this war isn't exactly a clean war and neither side had been above the board so to speak. Ukrainians claim GRU snipers did this, Russia claims it was right sektor snipers, Alex Jones/Alt Media claims it was German snipers at the behest of the EU. At the end of the day it kicked off the euro maidan and sent it from gay pride protest and turned it into a insurrection.
 
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Something I noticed while browsing that Russian State-Owned RIA news site with that article people have thrown around to say Russia is planning a Genocide, or at least a Cultural one. It says any concept of an independent Ukraine, or a Ukrainian cultural identity, is a made-up concept invented by enemies of Russia and by the Soviet Government, coincidently, Putin wrote in his essay I keep referring to justify my belief that Russia's end goals are the complete annexation of Ukraine funny that.
 
For some reason people here really want to believe that Russia is holding back significantly, while partly true because they haven't mobilized yet and aren't completely razing cities yet, they are sending many of their better units and equipment.

Many of the divisions and armies involved are on the prestigious end of things and consist of some of their better troops, such as 1st Guards Tank Army which has been involved around Kharkiv.

They are sending their best equipment that actually entered serial production, if you take the major modern equipment Russia has that people keep mentioning, like the SU-57, the T-14, and the T-90M, you won't even get 100 pieces of equipment if you send every single one of them to Ukraine. they suffer from the same issue a lot of late war German WW2 designs had, they are produced in so few numbers that their overall strategic value is very low. I don't think war is a numbers game where you can get by with making shit tons of T-34s anymore, but if you can only make a couple dozen of something they won't be worth much against a major army, because even if you only lose a single one per day you're going to run out of them fast.

People still believe that Russia is this gigantic military superpower still, pointing to their military spending, but that's only an on paper number. I'm willing to bet at least half of that budget winds up either A.) Basically evaporates because it ends up in some Quartermaster or Officer's pocket instead of being spent on keeping things maintained and up to date. B) Spent on stupid projects that never actually make it to serial production like a nuclear powered cruise missile. C.) Spent on keeping Russia stupidly large nuclear arsenal of 6,000 warheads maintained, which is extremely expensive when even 1,000 warheads will cut costs massively and still be a massive deterrent.

This whole thing really should show people that Russia is a paper tiger, the whole Russia being a military superpower is a figment of the USSR days where they actually had a good amount of that military power they boasted about and the West had every reason to hype them up, but a lot of that was due to their manpower and relative high tech military production equal to the US during a good part of the Cold War.

Now Russia struggles making high tech military equipment in actually strategic significant numbers, many of their modernized T-72s and T-80s still seemingly lack Hard Kill APS, and they completely lack blowout panels (which is why the Turret Throwing Competition has been such a fierce contest), they've been struggling to make rifle scopes standard issue (most engagements take place in the 100-300m range, which is why ACOGs are so popular, but even Red Dot Sights can help), their NCO corps are laughable and prevent opportunities from being enacted upon and force them to stick to a heavily detailed plan (this is also a major reason we've been seeing so many dead Russian junior and senior officers), and we've been seeing so many armored units getting ambushed and destroyed because they have either no infantry support or very little (Seriously what the fuck this shit was figured out in WW2 where armored doctrine was actually solidified, this isn't the interwar years where nobody knows what exactly we should do with this new 'Tank' thing).
A lot of that has to due with the fact Russia is changing doctrines still. The war in Ukraine is one that shows how a Well trained JR officer corps can turn the tide of battle. One thing we've noticed is that their command structure is still a problem of legacies from WW2 where Soviet Union where the command structure was centered. You don't have a lot of battle field decisions being made by Jr officers, you don't have scoot and shoot firing training, as we as Infantry fire and manuver tactics. To put it short and simply they're being outmatched because the people making decisions arent on the battle field and the Russian soldiers on the ground aren't given any real Incentive besides Go to X or else you'll get a court martial.

Right now if I were the Russian federation I would be trying to look up every NATO infantry book still in cold world archives and look at their command structure and model the military on that. Because a batallion tactical group has a lot of firepower but it doesn't have nearly enough infantry support for it.
 
For some reason people here really want to believe that Russia is holding back significantly, while partly true because they haven't mobilized yet and aren't completely razing cities yet, they are sending many of their better units and equipment.

Many of the divisions and armies involved are on the prestigious end of things and consist of some of their better troops, such as 1st Guards Tank Army which has been involved around Kharkiv.
Listen bro, the VDV is literal nobodies.
They are a penal battalion of unwanted conscripts sent on suicide missions and to bait enemy forces into attacking them. Their whole purpose is to incur crazy casualties without regard.

Just wait until Russia sends in the REAL elites!

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Something I noticed while browsing that Russian State-Owned RIA news site with that article people have thrown around to say Russia is planning a Genocide, or at least a Cultural one. It says any concept of an independent Ukraine, or a Ukrainian cultural identity, is a made-up concept invented by enemies of Russia and by the Soviet Government, coincidently, Putin wrote in his essay I keep referring to justify my belief that Russia's end goals are the complete annexation of Ukraine funny that.
Russia's end goal is however the war turns out.
Stop projecting western predictions onto the sooper-mysterious Russian genius top commanders.
 
This is the first confirmation of the mass surrender of Ukrainian marines from the 501st battalion in Mariupol.
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Today 264 dill were surrendered in Mariupol.
Gotta wonder what the military histories for Mariupol are going to look like

The 501st stood resolute in the face of Russian aggression, holding Mariupol against overwhelming artillery and tank fire from the 22nd of February to the 4th of April, when depletion of ammunition and food finally forced them to surrender. Also, there were a bunch of retarded neo-Nazis there that stole all the credit, but all they actually did was shoot civilians, post videos of shit we did, and get raped to death by the Chechens.
 
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Something I noticed while browsing that Russian State-Owned RIA news site with that article people have thrown around to say Russia is planning a Genocide, or at least a Cultural one. It says any concept of an independent Ukraine, or a Ukrainian cultural identity, is a made-up concept invented by enemies of Russia and by the Soviet Government, coincidently, Putin wrote in his essay I keep referring to justify my belief that Russia's end goals are the complete annexation of Ukraine funny that.
Yeah let's Deurkraineify I mean denazify Ukraine. Okay Ukraine is so problematic so we will call it malo Russia and Novorussia. Because they're Russian not Ukrainian and totes Nazis. Wait chechnyans killing civies that's just a CIA psyop propaganda.

I swear I had low expectations of this war but holy fuck we're they lowered.
 
Its so nice seeing the crowd that wanted to abolish all context back pedal so hard they are justifying Nazi symbols, now we all know any claim that Ukranians are actual nazis doesn't hold water by the mere fact that they are led by a fucking globalist jewish comedian but for these people who have spent about a decade saying that anything that resembles the swastika or anything that uses black red and white is 100% nazi dog whistle must be a mental whiplash to suddenly having to justify waving the nazi flag and wearing the black sun because current government approved narrative demands it
 
Zelensky literally “lost” information about the supposed government snipers that kicked Maidan into overdrive after international observers began casting doubts on the story. Ukraine is not above killing its own civilians to own the Russians, it’s almost definitely done it before. That’s why I don’t support Ukrainians going and dying for their piece of shit government that has never done anything for them but cause them misery.

There's nuance to this though. The Poroshenko administration cracked down hard on the pro russian elements and quickly went full purge mode on any official from the Yanukovych regime that hadn't fled and the Berkut got eviscerated. Because of fear of punishment very few Berkut officers and Yanukovych allies remained in Ukraine. When Zelensky was elected he was seen as the opponent and opposite of Poroshenko, for the start of his presidency which was around when the article you linked was written, Zelensky tried to ease tensions and it became a signal for some of the former Berkut and Yanukovych era politicians to return and voice their grievances.
Now I'll not say for certain who killed the protestors. it might have involved both sides. But no one can deny that Berkut was firing live ammo at the protestors, and there's no video or image evidence suggesting protestors were shot in the back by fellow protestors or CIA spooks.
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It's so weird for me now, because if the ukie move is to Say that the bodies in bucha have been there for WEEKS and not days. Then it's even more sus to me, if a body starts looking like shit in just 3/4 days then it will look worse in a week or more. This whole deal is so sus.
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It's so weird for me now, because if the ukie move is to Say that the bodies in bucha have been there for WEEKS and not days. Then it's even more sus to me, if a body starts looking like shit in just 3/4 days then it will look worse in a week or more. This whole deal is so sus.
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You've got to remember that in low temperatures bodies decay slowly. There were certainly bodies out there for weeks, judging by predation, necrosis, and other factors. Also using a pro russian telegram for a source, fucking lmao.
 
talk host Seb Gorka continues to be big mad that people are daring to question whatever Ukraine's latest narrative is
It makes sense given he's of Hungarian descent and his parents most likely lived through Soviet occupation. That being said, having most prominent conservatives blindly support Ukraine is getting tiresome.
 
You've got to remember that in low temperatures bodies decay slowly. There were certainly bodies out there for weeks, judging by predation, necrosis, and other factors. Also using a pro russian telegram for a source, fucking lmao.
Decay isn't the only thing that occurs, as wild animals, insects, and etc would probably be opportunistic with what's essentially a free food source that's just laying around. I'm not saying this definitively proves things, but just odd if it's been a week and nothing ate at least some of the bodies.

hat being said, having most prominent conservatives blindly support Ukraine is getting tiresome.
Most prominent conservatives are just Democrats with a slightly lower taxes. There's a reason why they all jumped in bed with the left when confronted with Trump.
 
You've got to remember that in low temperatures bodies decay slowly. There were certainly bodies out there for weeks, judging by predation, necrosis, and other factors. Also using a pro russian telegram for a source, fucking lmao.
Bro, trust me.. but fuck those russian sources, they all lie.

Do you hear yourself? Do you realise the depths of your stupidity?
 
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