Artcow WogglebugLoveProductions / Cynthia Hanson / Cherie Anne Hapney - One Womanchild's Fruitless Quest to Make Her Cockroach Husbando a Household Name

[WogglebugLover]

@CatFace I assure you me and @voiceguy came to an agreement about the cost and that I can pay him in installments as long as I do it monthly and he can wait until after the payment is completed in full before starting on the next movie. And I am for certain I can manage to complete his payment in full by the summer, at best certainly before the end of 2016.

And I assure you I am searching to find other places and ways to do marketing almost all the time these days.

@Golly I may look into website design skills some time. Thanks for bringing it up.

 

[HickoryDickory]

You do realize that if you put Woggle on the shelf for a while, you'd probably have enough money to fix your teeth. And then continue.

 

[ActualKiwi]

Well, I suppose you want these questions answered.

1) My family knows nothing about this project as I keep my distance from them in my personal life and what my dreams aspirations are. A few of them know about the Wogglebug being my favorite character of all time but we have never talked about my dreams and aspirations about this project for years and years. My mother does not support my dreams of being a moviemaker simply because she has the mentality that just because she knows nothing about how to make such a dream work (she knows nothing about anything at all) that it must be impossible to do. But she is someone who hasn't even any knowledge at all about the digital age. She has no knowledge of the internet or how to use a computer and has never owned or used one herself. I am as ashamed of her being a relative of mine because of this fact.

2) I have no other social life beyond a few members of my family when I'm offline.

3) I used to be in a very different living situation when my family owned a motel for many years and we made a good bit from it most all the time. But we sold the motel in 2013 and I've been living on my own for the first time in my life ever since. There was no money left over after our sale, ironically. And I now live off Social Security twice a month (once from me and my mother sends some of hers). This takes care of the most immediate importance of paying my rent and any bills I do my best to keep low. And whatever is left over afterward is for me to spend on other things. Also, twice a year I receive a large deposit from my other family (Christmas and birthday). The apartment I live in was the most affordable and nicest we found in the area. But after three years here my rent keeps getting raised and so I've signed up for the "waiting lists" of lesser expensive apartments which I am at least hoping I might make a move to in the spring or summer of 2016.

This is beginning to sound similar to other LCs we track..reclusive, no social life, very little familial contact but still relying on family for financial support, obsessive over making a "Franchise" out of one character that's been ripped from a successful franchise with a few changes..

You do realize that if you put Woggle on the shelf for a while, you'd probably have enough money to fix your teeth. And then continue.

Given she won't listen when we suggest she stops arguing with us online and works on her woggledom, I doubt she's sane enough to listen to anything that suggests leaving the woggle behind for any amount of time @HickoryDickory

 

[WogglebugLover]

@HickoryDickory I actually think it would still take almost as many years as would take teeth to fix (4 or 6 years). And I would rather start a charity fundraiser on GoFundMe instead, like @NobleGreyHorse suggested also.

To be totally honest getting my franchise started on is more important to me than my physical appearance. Also, the Voiceguy I found for the perfect voice is not going to get any younger, and neither am I, if you know what I mean.

And another thing, if even suppose I was willing to sign up for Oz fans social media groups there's a chance I'd be not allowed in because I suspect a lot of people around them may know of my misdealings with one of their own and why it turned out the way it did. And if I do get allowed in, although I may not be extreme with it I still will not be able to really refrain form being negative about their fandom. Even suppose I could, they would still find out what I think of their fandom because of my love for the Wogglebug just by getting into reading any one of my novels. For instance I fully intend to make certain statements about certain favorite characters of theirs that I hope will make them feel the same way I always whenever they (or you) mock him for his name being just who and what he is, or why he is the way he is in personality. Because frankly I'm sick and tired of the it and sick of his whole Oz fandom situation. So the one I will never be to any of them is a teamplayer and making this fact known may get blocked from their group even if I do get accepted for a while. Don't you see what I mean?

 

[ActualKiwi]

Also, the Voiceguy I found for the perfect voice is not going to get any younger, and neither am I, if you know what I mean.

...is that how you're paying him? Hurr hurr.

Also, we don't see what you mean, because you don't seem to understand basic social niceties and how to be nice to people even if you disagree with them. You've shown us no evidence of them blatantly trashing wogglebug, or your attempts, but you seem determined to trash and ridicule their favourite characters for a perceived slight..

 

[Rin]

For instance I fully intend to make certain statements about certain favorite characters of theirs that I hope will make them feel the same way I always whenever they (or you) mock him for his name being just who and what he is, or why he is the way he is in personality. Because frankly I'm sick and tired of the it and sick of his whole Oz fandom situation. So the one I will never be to any of them is a teamplayer and making this fact known may get blocked from their group even if I do get accepted for a while. Don't you see what I mean?

This is a terrible idea. There are a lot of people out there who aren't hardcore Oz fans but do have fond memories of the books, especially the original one. If you mock and attack other characters, then you'll turn off pretty much anyone reading the book. Even people who don't know the book will feel as though your behavior is unprofessional and rude. And besides, didn't you say you were writing things as if the Wogglebug had never been in Oz and was completely unconnected to it?

 

[WogglebugLover]

@ActualKiwi I'm just not in the mood to talk to you about all the ways they really have been blatantly trashing the Wogglebug. I'm worried for one thing if I do you may agree on them.

@Rin I don't care what you think about it or what anyone thinks about it. As I've said before, the way the Oz fans do this to the Wogglebug makes it sound like they're saying it is okay to trash him for any shortcomings he has but it's never okay to trash the other characters for their own and it seems like those are the other characters are in fact like real solid golden idols to those fans. I'm sick and tired of the whole thing. We're not on the same team, but at least what I'm doing would make us EVEN.

And yes, I very much am putting the Wogglebug in a non-Oz environment like he was never in Oz to begin with in both movies and books. But I actually have a series of novels of which I'm done 3 out of six books so far that explain all about his Oz fandom situation as I see it and he discovers he was never meant to be in Oz to begin with because Professor Nowitall created him and he is hailed from Genoma. And the series climaxes with a spell being done to remove his history in Oz warped away so he can be born again into Genoma with the same origins he had from before only they are in the right place now. I was originally planning to not have anything to do with Oz in my franchise at all. But I just ended up publishing a story that wasn't meant to be published and I would seriously prefer remedying any conflict this will bring to the original plan by following my vision and not taking part in any Oz fans visions. It has to be at their expense.

And I think I can at least relate an example of what I mean that may help you understand. I used to talk with this one guy who was an Oz author and a self-publisher of his books also and he's a good seller of his works along with being a self-publisher, by the way. He read my first book (before I made some adjustments to the first two chapters and ending) and loved it and said in a review he thinks I'm a member of the Oz family even if I don't consider myself one and then immediately went on to invite me to come to one of those Oz events (that I don't have the means to make a trip to the state of with my living situations anyway as I explained) to which I promptly declined and demanded he never ask me again and remove the line I mentioned of from the end of his review which he did.

I was insulted by his saying he thinks I'd fit into the Oz club and by the invitation for exactly the same reason why I was equally insulted when he briefly posted a a picture on my Facebook profile (it's gone now) that was done by a well respected and popular Oz artist that featured the Wogglebug being hurt in an emotional way while Princess Dorothy just sat there and sneered at it. The guy asked me if I found it amusing. Then when I said, "No, it didn't. It really offended me. Take it off my Facebook immediately!" And so he did. And it was also only THEN did the stupid moron actually wake up to exactly what I was trying to tell him all along and he even said so. "The Wogglebug really doesn't receive much respect at all in the Oz fandom. He needs to have a fandom of his own to get better respect." Duh!

And basically in this picture, the look on the Wogglebug's face said that shock was the only thing preventing him from bursting into tears right away. And I love him very much and so I don't want to see that look on his face for any reason at all. And what the content of the picture was doing was emphasizing (in a new way than before) about how they want the Wogglebug to know that he has no loving family at all in Oz but everyone else does, and they think him only good for being tortured at a family get together dinner, and they also hate anyone or anything that can be considered family to him and would gladly harm them also. So therefore they don't want anyone like me around them.

This picture also had served as a powerful reminder to me also that I really never did like the fact that Dorothy ended up staying in Oz forever young and became a princess to it forever. I think it obviously spoiled her. Which is something I plan to make a point of in my future novels in my series.

 

[ActualKiwi]

@ActualKiwi I'm just not in the mood to talk to you about all the ways they really have been blatantly trashing the Wogglebug. I'm worried for one thing if I do you may agree on them.

@Rin I don't care what you think about it or what anyone thinks about it. As I've said before, the way the Oz fans do this to the Wogglebug makes it sound like they're saying it is okay to trash him for any shortcomings he has but it's never okay to trash the other characters for their own and it seems like those are the other characters are in fact like real solid golden idols to those fans. I'm sick and tired of the whole thing. We're not on the same team, but at least what I'm doing would make us EVEN.

And yes, I very much am putting the Wogglebug in a non-Oz environment like he was never in Oz to begin with in both movies and books. But I actually have a series of novels of which I'm done 3 out of six books so far that explain all about his Oz fandom situation as I see it and he discovers he was never meant to be in Oz to begin with because Professor Nowitall created him and he is hailed from Genoma. And the series climaxes with a spell being done to remove his history in Oz warped away so he can be born again into Genoma with the same origins he had from before only they are in the right place now. I was originally planning to not have anything to do with Oz in my franchise at all. But I just ended up publishing a story that wasn't meant to be published and I would seriously prefer remedying any conflict this will bring to the original plan by following my vision and not taking part in any Oz fans visions. It has to be at their expense.

And I think I can at least relate an example of what I mean that may help you understand. I used to talk with this one guy who was an Oz author and a self-publisher of his books also and he's a good seller of his works along with being a self-publisher, by the way. He read my first book (before I made some adjustments to the first two chapters and ending) and loved it and said in a review he thinks I'm a member of the Oz family even if I don't consider myself one and then immediately went on to invite me to come to one of those Oz events (that I don't have the means to make a trip to the state of with my living situations anyway as I explained) to which I promptly declined and demanded he never ask me again and remove the line I mentioned of from the end of his review which he did.

I was insulted by his saying he thinks I'd fit into the Oz club and by the invitation for exactly the same reason why I was equally insulted when he briefly posted a a picture on my Facebook profile (it's gone now) that was done by a well respected and popular Oz artist that featured the Wogglebug being hurt in an emotional way while Princess Dorothy just sat there and sneered at it. The guy asked me if I found it amusing. Then when I said, "No, it didn't. It really offended me. Take it off my Facebook immediately!" And so he did. And it was also only THEN did the stupid moron actually wake up to exactly what I was trying to tell him all along and he even said so. "The Wogglebug really doesn't receive much respect at all in the Oz fandom. He needs to have a fandom of his own to get better respect." Duh!

And basically in this picture, the look on the Wogglebug's face said that shock was the only thing preventing him from bursting into tears right away. And I love him very much and so I don't want to see that look on his face for any reason at all. And what the content of the picture was doing was emphasizing (in a new way than before) about how they want the Wogglebug to know that he has no loving family at all in Oz but everyone else does, and they think him only good for being tortured at a family get together dinner, and they also hate anyone or anything that can be considered family to him and would gladly harm them also. So therefore they don't want anyone like me around them.

This picture also had served as a powerful reminder to me also that I really never did like the fact that Dorothy ended up staying in Oz forever young and became a princess to it forever. I think it obviously spoiled her. Which is something I plan to make a point of in my future novels in my series.

tl;dr go and work on your franchise.

 

[HickoryDickory]

The characters aren't real, Cynthia.

 

[WogglebugLover]

tl;dr go and work on your franchise.

Alright, I will.

The characters aren't real, Cynthia.

I know that already. I'm not the one who needs to know that. It's the Oz fans who do as far as I'm concerned.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

He read my first book (before I made some adjustments to the first two chapters and ending) and loved it and said in a review he thinks I'm a member of the Oz family even if I don't consider myself one and then immediately went on to invite me to come to one of those Oz events (that I don't have the means to make a trip to the state of with my living situations anyway as I explained) to which I promptly declined and demanded he never ask me again and remove the line I mentioned of from the end of his review which he did.

But how was this guy to know that you didn't have money for travel? Had you ever spoken to him about the financial realities you've just told us about? It's just a thing people do to be polite. Like, if I said, "If you ever find yourself in [my city and state], please let me know and we can get coffee," that doesn't mean I insist or demand you turn up in my city. It's just a way people reach out and try to be friendly. He was including you, not teasing or taunting you, by saying you were part of the family. This is a form of praise for your writing -- you said he loved it. If I said, "If you ever find yourself in [where I am], I would enjoy showing you around the Renaissance Faire," it doesn't mean I know anything about whether you like Ren Faires. It's just me saying, "Hey, look at this thing I enjoy a whole lot, and thus I would love to share it with you." Same deal -- it doesn't mean I expect or demand that you would travel to my town. Think of it as a wish, not an order.

 

[ActualKiwi]

I know that already. I'm not the one who needs to know that. It's the Oz fans who do as far as I'm concerned.

Everything you've said so far contradicts that. You keep acting like your precious cockroach is real, as if you're somehow saving him. Saying you "don't want to see him looking like that" etc. Those aren't the actions of someone who knows it's a story..

 

[For The Internet]

Cynthia, even if some of them did remember you from your previous altercations and were wary of you, you've all aged and hopefully matured since then and if you demonstrated that you were willing to be civil they would almost certainly treat you with civility too.
Disliking the Wogglebug doesn't make someone your enemy. You seem to see the world in a very black and white way where people are either your friend or your enemy and because you hold grudges you assume (often incorrectly) that other people hold those same grudges and will remember arguments or slights in the same detail you do.

It's such a shame you're not even willing to open yourself to casual Oz readers who aren't a part of the fandom and just have fond memories of the books or related movies. You really need to try to open yourself up to people who don't share the same views as you rather seeing them as potential or actual foes.

Really, you can't expect the internet to give you charity when you're making a movie. If you were saving every penny you weren't spending on rent/other bills for dentistry (or hell, even some of that money) I'd think a fundraiser would be appropriate because you'd be demonstrating you're trying to earn it on your own but need help to reach your goal. I have a lot of sympathy for you because the health care system in the US is so terrible and I know how hard it is to get care. However, when you choose to put your movie/books before your health, spending money on plushie prototypes and voice actors and illustrators for a passion project and you don't even have a job, it seems a bit unfair to ask for charity. There could be state run programs that could help you if you're on SSI, but you'd have to look into that yourself if you hadn't already.

I think you'll find people will respond poorly to a request for help with your dental work if your spare money is all going towards a pet project, so just prepare yourself for that if you go ahead with it.

 

[CatFace]

@WogglebugLover could you take us through what might be a typical day for you?

"Wake up at 7, cook some eggs and bacon for breakfast and ready to eat by 8..." that sort of thing.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

But I actually have a series of novels of which I'm done 3 out of six books so far that explain all about his Oz fandom situation as I see it and he discovers he was never meant to be in Oz to begin with because Professor Nowitall created him and he is hailed from Genoma. And the series climaxes with a spell being done to remove his history in Oz warped away so he can be born again into Genoma with the same origins he had from before only they are in the right place now.

So you're going to write six entire books that take place in Oz just so you can show how much you hate the Oz fandom, at the end of which you will take your favorite Oz character into the real world where you can fuck him.

I've missed your kind of crazy.

 

[WogglebugLover]

So you're going to write six entire books that take place in Oz just so you can show how much you hate the Oz fandom, at the end of which you will take your favorite Oz character into the real world where you can fuck him.

I've missed your kind of crazy.

No, you misunderstood. First, I've already written the first three novels entirely. The series will include a trilogy that takes place mostly outside of Oz because the three main characters (Wogglebug, Frogman, and Terry) have adventures in Genoma to succeed at a quest that in the end leads up to enlightenment for all three of them. And in the third book the (not wanting to spoil anything) the previous timeline is warped away due to bad and good magic being at odds with each other and their quest in this book had been to counter the bad spell with finding the links to unlock a time warp spell maker to enable all three of them to experience new lives not in Oz but in Genoma together, while Terry would be reborn into her world but with a new name which will be Sylvie Harnois. Yes, the same Sylvie as in my movie series and this is how the two separate lives of the Wogglebug's will be linked.

@For The Internet Well, actually I might have a good mind to see what happens if I personally advertise my first book in my series, "The Wogglebug's Hidden Truth Behind the History of Oz" in at least one Oz social media group on Facebook while presenting myself in an indifferent manner to them at best and let them checking it out do the rest and see what comes of it.

 

[ActualKiwi]

No, you misunderstood. First, I've already written the first three novels entirely. The series will include a trilogy that takes place mostly outside of Oz because the three main characters (Wogglebug, Frogman, and Terry) have adventures in Genoma to succeed at a quest that in the end leads up to enlightenment for all three of them. And in the third book the (not wanting to spoil anything) the previous timeline is warped away due to bad and good magic being at odds with each other and their quest in this book had been to counter the bad spell with finding the links to unlock a time warp spell maker to enable all three of them to experience new lives not in Oz but in Genoma together, while Terry would be reborn into her world but with a new name which will be Sylvie Harnois. Yes, the same Sylvie as in my movie series and this is how the two separate lives of the Wogglebug's will be linked.

@For The Internet Well, actually I might have a good mind to see what happens if I personally advertise my first book in my series, "The Wogglebug's Hidden Truth Behind the History of Oz" in at least one Oz social media group on Facebook while presenting myself in an indifferent manner to them at best and let them checking it out do the rest and see what comes of it.

You're not really improving by choosing to show them the most blatantly offensive (to the Oz fandom) of your books...
Sounds to me like you're retconning using the "because magic" reasoning..

 

[Rin]

No, you misunderstood. First, I've already written the first three novels entirely. The series will include a trilogy that takes place mostly outside of Oz because the three main characters (Wogglebug, Frogman, and Terry) have adventures in Genoma to succeed at a quest that in the end leads up to enlightenment for all three of them. And in the third book the (not wanting to spoil anything) the previous timeline is warped away due to bad and good magic being at odds with each other and their quest in this book had been to counter the bad spell with finding the links to unlock a time warp spell maker to enable all three of them to experience new lives not in Oz but in Genoma together, while Terry would be reborn into her world but with a new name which will be Sylvie Harnois. Yes, the same Sylvie as in my movie series and this is how the two separate lives of the Wogglebug's will be linked.

@For The Internet Well, actually I might have a good mind to see what happens if I personally advertise my first book in my series, "The Wogglebug's Hidden Truth Behind the History of Oz" in at least one Oz social media group on Facebook while presenting myself in an indifferent manner to them at best and let them checking it out do the rest and see what comes of it.

Yeah, this is way too complicated for a children's book series. And you're showing off way too many of your personal issues. Why are you allowing your bad experiences with a few people connected to the Oz fandom to have such a major influence on your work? It's like you're giving them power over you.

 

[CatFace]

@WogglebugLover
I addition to my question above have you considered hiring someone to do some of the marketing?

 

[Johnny Bravo]

No, you misunderstood. First, I've already written the first three novels entirely. The series will include a trilogy that takes place mostly outside of Oz because the three main characters (Wogglebug, Frogman, and Terry) have adventures in Genoma to succeed at a quest that in the end leads up to enlightenment for all three of them. And in the third book the (not wanting to spoil anything) the previous timeline is warped away due to bad and good magic being at odds with each other and their quest in this book had been to counter the bad spell with finding the links to unlock a time warp spell maker to enable all three of them to experience new lives not in Oz but in Genoma together, while Terry would be reborn into her world but with a new name which will be Sylvie Harnois. Yes, the same Sylvie as in my movie series and this is how the two separate lives of the Wogglebug's will be linked.

@For The Internet Well, actually I might have a good mind to see what happens if I personally advertise my first book in my series, "The Wogglebug's Hidden Truth Behind the History of Oz" in at least one Oz social media group on Facebook while presenting myself in an indifferent manner to them at best and let them checking it out do the rest and see what comes of it.

I promise, no one will care if you spoil anything.