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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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WW2 was full of ships changing their countries between allies in all weird ways.

- HMS Royal Sovereign becoming Arkhangelsk,
- bunch of smaller ships from Royal Navy and french navy going to small, "foreign" navies of occupied allies,
- Liberty Ships plot,
- "destroyers for bases" deal,
HMS Victorious never had a change in ownership as she remained a Royal Navy ship throughout her time as USS Robin. Although given the great lengths taken to make her appear American to everybody that makes her special.
 
Just shows they really are sending in the dregs, the guys that live in such rundown shitholes that they'll steal toilets and faucets because they don't even have them back home. The Russian bear just looks so pathetic and anemic after all this, if I were a US service member from the Cold War to now I'd just be laughing about how we used to be told these guys were fearsome warriors when they're little more than a mass group of armed bandits and rapists.
I'd say 1979-1980 was the absolute apex of Russian military power and the sheer mass of men and materiel they could've thrown at NATO (as well as the fact that a lot of it was on par or outright superior to its NATO contemporaries) would still have been fearsome as hell to face down even in hindsight. That being said looking back I have serious questions as to whether or not Soviet logistics were even up to the task and I'm beginning to doubt the Soviets could've sustained a massive thrust into West Germany for longer than a week or so, though. Needless to say NATO not only caught up fast throughout the 80s but started to rapidly surpass the Soviets conventionally as the PGM revolution started to make NATO war planners believe blunting a Soviet offensive without nukes was well within the realm of possibility and the USSR shat itself to death trying to keep up. Now? I'm barely exaggerating when I say that I think a handful of brigade combat teams with air support could turn the entire Russian invasion force into the Republican Guard circa 1991.
 
Yes, it is a good thing to kill someone, who killed or raped a child. It is also a good thing to kill a member of occuy forces.

And yes, Ukrainians are killing looters, traitors, and other criminals. And no one, but putinheads have a problem with that.

But they'd never do a false flag, despite doing false flags on a daily basis since the invasion began!

That sounds familiar..."Zelensky nationalizes TV news"

That's different because
 
But they'd never do a false flag, despite doing false flags on a daily basis since the invasion began!
No, they didn't massacred civilians in Butcha. That was work of Russians. And all putinheads are supporting killing civilians, raping children and so one.

That's different because
Because that was supporters of a invader. You probably call me a "naaaazi from EU", but I'm sure it will be a good move to block all of pro-russian movements in NATO countries for time of war.

Like in Espionage act of 1917 in US.
 
Does this count: https://t.me/voenacher/14106

*edit - I've been informed these are Ukrainians doing the massacre-ing, I don't speak Slav so I dunno...
People filming saying they're marauders. All we see is them getting shot as enemy combatants do, finished off with bullets - there's nothing unusual about it.
On top of that, these are fucking soldiers, we're talking about massacring civilians. Which is something Russia been doing from the start.
 
HMS Victorious never had a change in ownership as she remained a Royal Navy ship throughout her time as USS Robin. Although given the great lengths taken to make her appear American to everybody that makes her special.
I thought she officially became a US Navy Vessel when they bolted in the Ice Cream Maker? (not actually joking about this)
 
Big news?
Russia’s sovereign bond coupon payments stopped: US Treasury source

Russia’s latest sovereign bond coupon payments have been stopped, a source familiar with the matter and a spokeswoman for the US Treasury told Reuters, putting it closer to a historic default.

The latest sovereign bond coupon payments have not received authorisation by the US Treasury to be processed by correspondent bank JPMorgan, the source said.

The payments were due on bonds due in 2022 and 2042.

The correspondent bank processes the coupon payments from Russia, sending them to the payment agent to distribute to overseas bondholders.

Previously, coupon payments on sovereign bonds had been processed, sources told Reuters.

A US Treasury spokeswoman also confirmed that certain payments were no longer being allowed.

“Today is the deadline for Russia to make another debt payment,” the spokeswoman said. “Beginning today, the US Treasury will not permit any dollar debt payments to be made from Russian government accounts at U.S. financial institutions. Russia must choose between draining remaining valuable dollar reserves or new revenue coming in, or default.”

The country has a 30-day grace period to make the payment, the source said.

Russia, which has a total of 15 international bonds outstanding with a face value of around $40bn, has managed to avoid defaulting on its international debt so far despite unprecedented western sanctions.

If Russia fails to make any of its upcoming bond payments within their pre-defined timeframes, or pays in roubles where dollars, euros or another currency is specified, it will constitute a default.
 
I thought she officially became a US Navy Vessel when they bolted in the Ice Cream Maker? (not actually joking about this)
Nope she was still Royal Navy even with the ice cream maker as it was there to keep the Yankees abroad happy. As they weren't allowed alcohol as per USN regulations. And if she was an USN vessel the English crew almost surely would've mutiny as they will lose their rum and beer rations as the USN is dry country.
 
However, I highly doubt those ships are in a good working order...
IIRC during the Cold War the Red Navy expected about a third of a ship's systems to be non-functioning or otherwise ineffective thanks to poor maintenance. I doubt things have gotten better if the state of the Russian Army is anything to go by.
JFC ... shipping a table, clothing, speakers, ... a fucking tent? Dude, you go to a foreign country, shoot people, get shot may be ... and you steal a fucking tent to ship home?? Someone got their priorities straight. Sheeeit, Pink Floyd riot looters are pretty high class compared to these niggers.
At least they're stealing practical shit for their families like tools and spare parts instead of Air Jordans. Hell, considering how expensive good tools are there's every chance those families are getting several times more financial worth than a bunch of joggers looting a Nike store.
I'd say 1979-1980 was the absolute apex of Russian military power and the sheer mass of men and materiel they could've thrown at NATO (as well as the fact that a lot of it was on par or outright superior to its NATO contemporaries) would still have been fearsome as hell to face down even in hindsight. That being said looking back I have serious questions as to whether or not Soviet logistics were even up to the task and I'm beginning to doubt the Soviets could've sustained a massive thrust into West Germany for longer than a week or so, though. Needless to say NATO not only caught up fast throughout the 80s but started to rapidly surpass the Soviets conventionally as the PGM revolution started to make NATO war planners believe blunting a Soviet offensive without nukes was well within the realm of possibility and the USSR shat itself to death trying to keep up. Now? I'm barely exaggerating when I say that I think a handful of brigade combat teams with air support could turn the entire Russian invasion force into the Republican Guard circa 1991.
I'd say 1983 was when things irreversibly turned in favor of the West. The leadup to Able Archer 83 with stuff like FleetEx 83 showed a ton of vulnerabilities in Soviet defenses. As to land forces the first Western composite-armored tanks such as the Abrams and Challenger began showing up that could resist hits by the latest Soviet weapons, and the air was... the F-15 would have creamed the Red Air Force and the F-16 and A-10 their armor. The hardliners all finally died off in 1985 and Gorbachev took power, and began immediately doing his best to reform the USSR into something other than an uber-militarized Stalinist hellhole of a country. And that was that for the USSR, because it could not survive as anything else.
 
It's funny because Trump did warn the Germans during a speech he delivered at the UN that they were too dependent on Russian energy and the German envoys laughed at him, now the German government is having to scramble to find a new energy source and Trump was again proven correct but anyone that had more than 1 braincell could see how badly relying on the Russians for energy security was for European nations.
Everybody calls Trump a retard for pointing out the emperor has no clothes. That description pretty much sums up Trump in a nutshell, some guy pointing at the nude autocrat walking down the street and saying "this guy is fucking naked! What's wrong with you people?!"
 

According to Arestovych, there's a sort of lull in Mariupol currently, and that they've got all the chances to hold out for much longer. There are still skirmishes and continuing evacuation efforts.
Enemy forces are exhausted, and they're accumulating reserves for a new large-scale push. They're throwing there their last reserves, Mariupol is crucial to them.

He also claims that Russia sends remainders of their armed forces stationed in Russian Federation, namely 5th army from the Far East, and that it's all they've got left.
 
I'd say 1979-1980 was the absolute apex of Russian military power and the sheer mass of men and materiel they could've thrown at NATO (as well as the fact that a lot of it was on par or outright superior to its NATO contemporaries) would still have been fearsome as hell to face down even in hindsight. That being said looking back I have serious questions as to whether or not Soviet logistics were even up to the task and I'm beginning to doubt the Soviets could've sustained a massive thrust into West Germany for longer than a week or so, though. Needless to say NATO not only caught up fast throughout the 80s but started to rapidly surpass the Soviets conventionally as the PGM revolution started to make NATO war planners believe blunting a Soviet offensive without nukes was well within the realm of possibility and the USSR shat itself to death trying to keep up. Now? I'm barely exaggerating when I say that I think a handful of brigade combat teams with air support could turn the entire Russian invasion force into the Republican Guard circa 1991.

I would take the 1st AD right now against any unit of peer size (the Sovs always threw around a 3:1 or 4:1 vehicles & manpower advantage...which is why the kill ratio of the AH64 and M1, for example, were rated to be 5 or 6 to 1) and the Russians would either be weeping openly (well, the survivors would) or they'd throw a shitfit and start lobbing nukes because they couldn't win otherwise.

If there's one thing the Russians know how to do, it's kill millions of civvies.

I'd say 1983 was when things irreversibly turned in favor of the West. The leadup to Able Archer 83 with stuff like FleetEx 83 showed a ton of vulnerabilities in Soviet defenses. As to land forces the first Western composite-armored tanks such as the Abrams and Challenger began showing up that could resist hits by the latest Soviet weapons, and the air was... the F-15 would have creamed the Red Air Force and the F-16 and A-10 their armor. The hardliners all finally died off in 1985 and Gorbachev took power, and began immediately doing his best to reform the USSR into something other than an uber-militarized Stalinist hellhole of a country. And that was that for the USSR, because it could not survive as anything else.

Don't forget, too, the F117 would have been rushed into combat and, against Slavjank AA systems would have been black magic. The Soviets would literally have no answer for that thing. I'm aware the Serbs shot one down, but it had nothing to do with slavjank and everything to do with an overconfident pilot and bad, bad mission planning.
 
Everybody calls Trump a retard for pointing out the emperor has no clothes. That description pretty much sums up Trump in a nutshell, some guy pointing at the nude autocrat walking down the street and saying "this guy is fucking naked! What's wrong with you people?!"
I’m gonna do some more Trump simping and remind people of how there was outrage from US military when he asked them how they wanted to succeed in Afghanistan. When they all pretty much went “lol we dunno”, Trump then brought up a story, maybe fudged facts on it, of a restaurant that didn’t just listen to their staff about what they needed then brought up how if the generals were stumped they could do like Trump had earlier and speak to done soldiers. They all got pissed and felt Trump was an idiot for bringing up such an idea.

So not only did they not know what they were doing, they were aggressively ignorant in comparison to Trump who was eager to seek out anyone knowledgeable (think it was done sort of special forces he spoke with).

Not gonna dig out all sources but here’s one:

People got so disgusted with Trump’s attempts to upend the status quo with his use of common sense that they ended up making him look massively more competent than them.
 
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