Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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I mean they have done an amazing job at convincing people of that fact, government operations and control seem very communist to me. China trades with us too so they must not be communists even though they are run by the CCP. Don't be fooled its obvious they are all communists underneath the suit at minimum their hate for us is still existent.
They have state run enterprises, yes, but that doesn't make them communists. Still shitloads of private business and private property is a thing in Russia now. Just because they have an authoritarian government doesn't mean they're commies. In fact I can think of a particular European one from the 30s and 40s that had lots of state owned businesses and was very authoritarian that definitely wasn't communist....
 
They have state run enterprises, yes, but that doesn't make them communists. Still shitloads of private business and private property is a thing in Russia now. Just because they have an authoritarian government doesn't mean they're commies. In fact I can think of a particular European one from the 30s and 40s that had lots of state owned businesses and was very authoritarian....
Lets be honest with each other, they are a new hip rebranded version of communism. Its not the same but the top down government with included dictator is the same.
 
Story about the travails of conscripts drafted by a pro-Russia group. The Moisin-Nagant rifle isn't a bad rifle but not much use on a 21st-Century battleifeld.


Most of the mosins I've seen documented have been the PU sniper version. While not exactly ideal, a scoped bolt action rifle still has its place on the battlefield.
 
So, all sperging aside; it looks like WWIII isn't going to eventuate, so is it now just a grind until Russia wins a "brokered peace" and Eastern Europe kicks the can down the road for a few years? I can't see them rolling over the Uke forces, but I can't see them being beaten back either. Have we hit the meatgrinder stage of the war?
We hit the meat grinder stage of the war about a week in. Both sides just don't want to admit that as it's bad for their own side's propaganda.

As for what happens next, it depends on what Russia can get done in the south/east of Ukraine, and what they can hold onto.

A "brokered peace" would likely be the best possible outcome for Russia at this point, but - given Ukraine isn't in a very compromising mood - the best they might be able to manage is a Korea style armistice between the territory they hold and the rest of Ukraine. Beyond that, as long as NATO countries are willing to supply Ukraine, the longer this drags out the worse it gets for Russia and Putin. Either Putin runs out of available troops and his holdings collapse to the point that Ukraine can possibly retake everything, or he's forced to admit that this isn't a "special operation" but actually a war so he can fully mobilize Russian forces, freely deploy conscripts, shift the country towards a more war footing, etc. He really doesn't want to do that as his people aren't likely to be nearly as supportive of a war once it involves forcing their sons to go off and die for nebulous goals.

The alternative is Russia manages to have massive success in destroying Ukraine's forces in the east and holding onto their positions in the south. If he can run up the butcher's bill for Ukraine enough without running up his own by the same amount or worse, he might be able to force them to compromise and give up some land at the negotiating table. Thought as Russia's already demonstrated in the north, such successes are easier said than done, and if they lose major ground in the south or east, it's going to be a lot harder to pretend it was just a feint.

So yeah. Expect it to continue to be a meat grinder. Russia hasn't come close to losing this war yet, but they're going to have a harder and harder time getting a decent return on investment for the butcher's bill they're paying for it. Or even reaching a point where they can end it gracefully enough to be described as eastern Europe kicking the can down the road for a few years.
 
Censorship is, indeed, censorship!
Who woulda thunk?
But seriously if this thought only crossed your mind now, despite all that hate speech bullshit running rampant for around 10-20 years now, I wonder if you were stuck in Alaska feeding dogs rotten seal meat in the middle of the forest with no connection to outside world.
 
It's my hope that years from now, when this war is over and the dust has settled, that the slavs will all unite into a slavic union.
if such a thing was ever thinkable, russia starting this current war just pushed it back by at least half a century lol
not only does this war push russia-ukraine relations to a new low, it also fanned the flames of anti russian sentiment across most other slavic nations. belarus and serbia might be on board with it, bulgaria too maybe, but czechia slovakia slovenia croatia poland and ukraine are all hardcore alienated by it, to the point that currently you probably find more support among them for a suicidal apocalypse war against russia than for pan slavic union with russia.
 
I was thinking and the events of the last month have provided a glimpse into a world in which 'hate speech' is carefully micromanaged and regulated by the state and the true definition has been boldly revealed. With the liberal definition of 'hate speech', symbols can be immediately declared 'not hateful' as to aid the political objectives of the state. The Wolfsangel and the Black Sun are well known Neo-Nazi symbols, there's no debating it. These symbols would normally get you swiftly banned off of any social media controlled by the state. However because these symbols are attached to a group who is seeking to accelerate the cause of the state they are now for the time being not hate symbols in this context. It is also likely that the black sun outside of the context of the Azov Batallion would be considered a hate symbol and would probably get you banned thus achieving full doublethink where a symbol is simultaneously hateful and not hateful at the exact same time depending on if the symbol appears in a context that advances the goals of the state even when the symbol has the same meaning in both contexts. We can easily conclude that the definition of 'hate speech' is merely speech which is considered distateful in the context of the goals of the state. There's no speculation about this at all anymore, they are showing you that this is how it is.
It's just like anything else. Ultimately, if it's in the Jews' interests, it's fine, if not, it's a hate crime. Israel is basically a fascist ethnostate that regularly bombs brown people, but you won't see any US sanctions against them any time soon.
 
I was thinking and the events of the last month have provided a glimpse into a world in which 'hate speech' is carefully micromanaged and regulated by the state and the true definition has been boldly revealed. With the liberal definition of 'hate speech', symbols can be immediately declared 'not hateful' as to aid the political objectives of the state. The Wolfsangel and the Black Sun are well known Neo-Nazi symbols, there's no debating it. These symbols would normally get you swiftly banned off of any social media controlled by the state. However because these symbols are attached to a group who is seeking to accelerate the cause of the state they are now for the time being not hate symbols in this context. It is also likely that the black sun outside of the context of the Azov Batallion would be considered a hate symbol and would probably get you banned thus achieving full doublethink where a symbol is simultaneously hateful and not hateful at the exact same time depending on if the symbol appears in a context that advances the goals of the state even when the symbol has the same meaning in both contexts. We can easily conclude that the definition of 'hate speech' is merely speech which is considered distateful in the context of the goals of the state. There's no speculation about this at all anymore, they are showing you that this is how it is.
Because in a war, especially an invasion its all hands on deck and wedge issues go out the window. Imagine if the US stood a chance of losing from a planned invasion and individuals cared that people who supported Donald Trump were fighting in the war to defend the country. It would be retarded since we all bleed red and fly the same flag.
 
The alternative is Russia manages to have massive success in destroying Ukraine's forces in the east and holding onto their positions in the south. If he can run up the butcher's bill for Ukraine enough without running up his own by the same amount or worse, he might be able to force them to compromise and give up some land at the negotiating table. Thought as Russia's already demonstrated in the north, such successes are easier said than done, and if they lose major ground in the south or east, it's going to be a lot harder to pretend it was just a feint.
All those soldiers in the east are already written off...

So yeah. Expect it to continue to be a meat grinder. Russia hasn't come close to losing this war yet, but they're going to have a harder and harder time getting a decent return on investment for the butcher's bill they're paying for it. Or even reaching a point where they can end it gracefully enough to be described as eastern Europe kicking the can down the road for a few years.
they will escalate if nato keeps up their false flags. why not bomb ukraine in a real manner if the western media tells the western people that you do it anyway...
 
Granted I'm an oldfag, but I remember Powell pointing to a bunch of sat photos of Iraqi WMDs as a good reason to invade.

Call me Mr Cynical, but sat photos of murder and mayhem that were taken weeks ago, honest, but only released after the Russians had left is making my eye twitch.
 
It's just like anything else. Ultimately, if it's in the Jews' interests, it's fine, if not, it's a hate crime. Israel is basically a fascist ethnostate that regularly bombs brown people, but you won't see any US sanctions against them any time soon.
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Racism aside, vomiting on command is pretty impressive.
 
Granted I'm an oldfag, but I remember Powell pointing to a bunch of sat photos of Iraqi WMDs as a good reason to invade.

Call me Mr Cynical, but sat photos of murder and mayhem that were taken weeks ago, honest, but only released after the Russians had left is making my eye twitch.
I don't understand this post like what are you insinuating that the Russians would not shoot down aggressive civilians and leave the bodies or that the Ukrainians were faking a massacre? Because I could not imagine occupying regions for weeks and not shooting people on a day to day basis regardless of if it was in the right or not, like its just a byproduct of war.
 
Story about the travails of conscripts drafted by a pro-Russia group. The Moisin-Nagant rifle isn't a bad rifle but not much use on a 21st-Century battleifeld.



Well, one thing for sure is I don't want to be on the receiving end from any of those old school but high powered bolt action rifles lol or anyone else given how big is a 7.62 by 54 compared to 5.56.


Though how does the M1903 Springfield compare to the Mosin though?
 
We hit the meat grinder stage of the war about a week in. Both sides just don't want to admit that as it's bad for their own side's propaganda.

As for what happens next, it depends on what Russia can get done in the south/east of Ukraine, and what they can hold onto.

A "brokered peace" would likely be the best possible outcome for Russia at this point, but - given Ukraine isn't in a very compromising mood - the best they might be able to manage is a Korea style armistice between the territory they hold and the rest of Ukraine. Beyond that, as long as NATO countries are willing to supply Ukraine, the longer this drags out the worse it gets for Russia and Putin. Either Putin runs out of available troops and his holdings collapse to the point that Ukraine can possibly retake everything, or he's forced to admit that this isn't a "special operation" but actually a war so he can fully mobilize Russian forces, freely deploy conscripts, shift the country towards a more war footing, etc. He really doesn't want to do that as his people aren't likely to be nearly as supportive of a war once it involves forcing their sons to go off and die for nebulous goals.

The alternative is Russia manages to have massive success in destroying Ukraine's forces in the east and holding onto their positions in the south. If he can run up the butcher's bill for Ukraine enough without running up his own by the same amount or worse, he might be able to force them to compromise and give up some land at the negotiating table. Thought as Russia's already demonstrated in the north, such successes are easier said than done, and if they lose major ground in the south or east, it's going to be a lot harder to pretend it was just a feint.

So yeah. Expect it to continue to be a meat grinder. Russia hasn't come close to losing this war yet, but they're going to have a harder and harder time getting a decent return on investment for the butcher's bill they're paying for it. Or even reaching a point where they can end it gracefully enough to be described as eastern Europe kicking the can down the road for a few years.

Maybe I have been missing something, but just don't see the mental agility out of the Russian command. Just don't see the flexibility and energy there. From my reading of WWII, as the war went on saw STAVKA getting better and better, more flexibility, even under my namesake.

Have seen rather more action from the Uke upper echelons. The NATO/US training's been paying off handsomely. In reality, least at the top command levels, it's STAVKA against the Ukrainians and NATO/US. If the Ukes aren't co-located with the Allies, then the comms lines are running 24/7. Would also say there's been a lot of teleconferencing going on between various places in the USA/NATO and the Uke command, not to mention the real-time sharing of intelligence.

Russia is paying a very, very dear price for this war. First, they are paying in blood. Thousands of Russian sons, fathers, brothers and uncles are coming home in boxes, or not at all. Even more of these men are recuperating from wounds and sickness. Those that survive will eventually go home and their loved ones will question why their sacrifice was necessary. Russia has turned into a pariah state very, very quickly. No idea when or if the sanctions will be relaxed. Saw a report today saying supplies of certain foreign-sourced medicines short in Russia. Wonder how many Russians will suffer or die since those drugs are short or not available. Starting to see gas customers turning away in favor of other suppliers. Suggest a lot of LP gas is and will be heading from the USA to Europe. And sadly, going to see more Russians living in other countries catching hell for something they had nothing to do with.

How will this end? No idea. Been a grind for some time now. Believe the Russians are getting tired. This has gone on far longer than expected, planned, or prepared for. The longer this goes, the bigger the cracks in the Russian effort. The Ukes are also hurting, but their morale is high, which is a force multiplier, and the aid is coming in from the west. Suggest that while Russia will try to interdict what it can in Western Ukraine, they won't get too close to the Polish border; bet NATO air defense stays on high alert, and ground defenses are on higher alert than normal.
 
Most of the mosins I've seen documented have been the PU sniper version. While not exactly ideal, a scoped bolt action rifle still has its place on the battlefield.
Assuming poorly trained conscripts are getting them like the article says, either A.) They're sending them to backline regions to secure their supply lines, in the case of actual opposition they're still at a massive disadvantage or B.) They're sending them to die on the frontline, or maybe it's C.) The dude is going to be shit at using it because he's a poorly trained conscript who was given a marksmen rifle from the 19th Century.
 
team commie.
A shitload of the people against Russia in the West are unironic communists. There's also communists fighting for and against Ukraine.

Calling Russia "team commie" is about as absurd as calling the U.S. "team liberty".
but the top down government with included dictator is the same.
Good to know vax mandates and mask mandates were a win for team commie too.
 
Well, one thing for sure is I don't want to be on the receiving end from any of those old school but high powered bolt action rifles lol or anyone else given how big is a 7.62 by 54 compared to 5.56.


Though how does the M1903 Springfield compare to the Mosin though?
They're contemporary rifles. The m1903 is basically just a Mauser that the US copied. Copied so closely that Mauser sued them and won in fact. The action and build quality are slightly better for the Springfield, but the 30-06 cartridge it shoots is roughly equal all things considered.
 
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