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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Poland is getting Abrams. You know what that means...

You know KMW's own technicians are all salivating at the idea of some of their Leo 2's being sent out to Ukraine to get proper, raw data from its performance against T-80s and various flavour of T-72.
 
Irpin walkthrough after liberation from Russians, a lot of pet rescuing. There's English subs just FYI.

Russia Claims Ukraine Stages More ‘Killings’ of Civilians’​


Ukrainian security services have staged more alleged killings of civilians in several towns and villages to make headlines in the Western media and accuse Moscow of war crimes, Russia’s Defense Ministry claimed on Tuesday.


Moscow insists that same tactics have been used by Kyiv to blame Russian forces for atrocities in the town of Bucha last week.


“The troops of the 72nd Ukrainian Main Center for Psychological Operations conducted another staged filming of civilians allegedly killed by violent actions of the Russian armed forces in order for it to be distributed through the Western media,” the ministry’s spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said during a briefing.

Preemptive damage control. Because it's likely to be the same pretty much everywhere where Russians have occupied.
Pff, "smear campaign". As if they don't already stink to high heaven.
 
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Now my question is to Biden where he go through with wanting Putin to be put on trial for war crimes. I mean I want Putin to be hold accountable for his crimes in Ukraine. But at the same time i have doubts Western leaders will go through with it. But who knows maybe their surprise me and will go through with it. I been wrong before on Russia actually invaded Ukraine and How long Ukraine would last. So I guess we just wait and see.
 

Russia Expects $321 Billion in Energy Exports in 2022 Despite Recent Sanctions​


Despite severe Western sanctions levied against Russia since its war with Ukraine began Feb. 24, Russia is expected to earn nearly $321 billion from energy exports in 2022, an increase of more than a third over 2021, Bloomberg News reported.


Moscow’s economy has survived a full month of sanctions and is emerging with a relatively strong balance sheet, as many of its strategic trading partners remain dependent on its energy exports, and the Institute of International Finance (IIF) said that Russia’s budget surplus may reach a record high of $240 billion.


“The single biggest driver of Russia’s current account surplus continues to look solid,” said IIF economists in a March 31 report cited by Bloomberg News. “With current sanctions in place, substantial inflows of hard currency into Russia look set to continue.”


The situation may change completely, however, in case of a full embargo on energy sales.


The IIF said that an energy embargo by the European Union and the leading industrial nations that form the G-7 could require Russia to cut more than 20 percent of its energy exports and lose $300 billion, depending on global price swings.



Key trading partners in Russia’s traditional export base, such as the members of the EU, are looking for alternative gas suppliers and are halting new energy contracts in condemnation of the war in Ukraine.


However, other trading partners who have remained loyal to Moscow, such as India and China, are getting steep discounts, with India paying $35 less per barrel than Russia’s pre-war prices, Bloomberg reported.


OPEC and the oil-producing states along the Persian Gulf have said they’re committed to the energy-production agreements that are already in place, rather than boosting output to address soaring prices in the wake of the Russia–Ukraine conflict.


Some EU countries such as Germany and Hungary, which are heavily dependent on Russian oil and gas, are reluctant to place energy exports on a list of sanctions, while other EU states are rushing to cut their dependence on Russia.


German industry leaders have said they oppose sanctions or political pressure that would prompt a full energy embargo on Russia.


German Finance Minister Christian Lindner said April 4 that Germany will reject a proposed EU embargo on Russian gas imports despite increasing pressure to impose sanctions on Russia’s energy sector over the escalating violence in Ukraine.


“We are dealing with a criminal war,” said Lindner before an EU meeting April 4 in Brussels.


“It is clear we must end as quickly as possible all economic ties to Russia. We must plan tough sanctions, but gas cannot be substituted in the short term. We would inflict more damage on ourselves than on them,” he said.


President Vladimir Putin of Russia demanded that all foreign payments from countries deemed “unfriendly” must now pay for Russian oil and gas by converting their currency into rubles, after Western nations froze Russia’s foreign exchange reserves.

The United States and the United Kingdom, both of which are less dependent on Russia for their energy needs than other nations, have imposed direct bans on energy imports from Russia.


Oil and gas account for about half of Russia’s total exports and contributed about 40 percent to its state revenues in 2021, Bloomberg News reported.


Despite the hesitancy of some customers to cut Russian oil exports, output fell 26.4 percent in the week ending March 26.


Goldman Sachs economist Clemens Grafe predicts a 20 percent decline of imports to Russia in 2022, which is double the expected 10 percent decline in exports, Business Insider reported.


Grafe also said that the Russian economy will shrink by 10 percent this year and see 20 percent inflation, its worst economic situation since the 1990s.


Euro Feels Weight of French Election Concerns, More Russia Sanctions​


The euro weakened on Tuesday with the Swiss franc and the Swedish crown the winners as French election worries and the chance of more sanctions against Russia unnerved investors.


French financial markets acknowledged the possibility of right candidate Marine Le Pen beating President Emmanuel Macron in this month’s elections, with sharp losses on Paris blue chip index and government bonds.


Concerns about the outcome of the French elections have prompted traders in the euro to slowly ramp up buying put options around the $1.07-$1.09 levels for end April expiry, Refinitiv data shows.


Against the U.S. dollar, the single currency briefly fell to more than a one-week low of $1.0956. The euro reached a one-month high of $1.1185 just days earlier amid increased optimism over an end to the Ukraine conflict.


“The single currency continues to underperform the broad G10 space as growth risks persist from events in Eastern Europe,” said Simon Harvey, head of FX analysis at Monex Europe.



Expected price swings for the euro, or implied volatility climbed to three-week highs as traders braced for more sanctions.


“Sentiment around the single currency is becoming more bearish by the day,” Harvey said.


The euro’s biggest losses on Tuesday were against the Swedish crown and Swiss franc, with falls of 0.4 percent and 0.2 percent respectively.


The United States and European countries pledged on Monday to punish Moscow over alleged civilian killings in northern Ukraine. The Kremlin denied accusations related to the murder of civilians.


New sanctions could include restrictions on the billions of dollars in energy that Europe imports from Russia.

Elsewhere, the Australian dollar jumped to a nine-month high after the country’s central bank signaled higher interest rates were closer.


The Aussie surged 1.23 percent to $0.7639, its strongest since June 14, after the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) dropped its pledge to be “patient” on tightening policy, while holding the key rate at a record low for now, as was widely expected.


The dollar index eased 0.07 percent to 98.902 from a one-week high of 99.083 reached overnight.


The greenback was flat against the yen at 122.73 yen, broadly tracking moves in long-term U.S. Treasury yields, as it continued to consolidate around 122.5 after retreating from a multi-year high of 125.105 on March 28.


Stocks, Oil, Bond Yields Edge up Ahead of Expected New Russia Sanctions​


Traders were back on Russia sanctions watch on Tuesday with oil, inflation-sensitive bond yields, and stocks all edging higher ahead of an expected new measures from the West in coming days.


Europe saw the STOXX 600 index nudge 0.3 percent higher as oil, industrial, tech, and insurance stocks all made ground, while the euro clawed back a sliver of the 1.8 percent it had lost against the dollar in recent days.


With investors waiting on the new batch of sanctions—most likely on Wednesday according to France’s European Affairs Minister—oil was up 1 percent, lifting benchmark German Bund and U.S. Treasury bond yields due to the prospect of higher global inflation.


Ewan Markson-Brown, a fund manager at CRUX Asset Management, said the global economy’s path was now highly dependent on how the war in Ukraine progresses, and how policymakers in the U.S. and China manage the respective economic challenges.


“I think we have had the main (sanctions) crunch already. The variable will be if Germany stops taking Russian gas,” Markson-Brown said. “That is something that would definitely take the European markets down.”



In Asia, MSCI’s broadest index of Asia-Pacific shares outside Japan advanced 0.3 percent to 602.2. China and Hong Kong markets were closed for a holiday, but it was the strongest level since Russia sent its troops into Ukraine on Feb. 24.


Japan’s Nikkei also closed up 2 percent, the S&P/ASX 200 index rose 0.2 percent in Australia, while South Korean stocks added 0.1 percent.


Aussie Dollar​


In the currency markets, the Australian dollar had jumped to a nine-month high of $0.7612 after its central bank signaled higher interest rates were closer.


“Geopolitical shocks historically did not tend to dominate the markets for long,” global markets strategists at JPMorgan said in a note, adding that U.S. rate hike cycles didn’t tend to hurt stock markets much either, “at least not in the early stages.”


S&P 500 stock futures barely budged and Nasdaq futures slipped 0.05 percent after Wall Street climbed on Monday, supported by tech shares.


The euro was steady at $1.0967 after dropping for the last three sessions.


The prospect of a Russian sovereign debt default was back in play too, after U.S. authorities prevented banks there from processing Moscow’s latest government bond payment, after weeks have allowing them to do so.

Global markets were otherwise looking to Wednesday’s release of minutes from the Federal Reserve’s last policy meeting for hints on how much the U.S. central bank will raise interest rates next month. The ECB will publish its equivalent minutes on Thursday.


The potential for more sanctions meant oil prices resumed their rise in commodity markets, along with signs that Iran nuclear talks had stalled.


Brent crude futures gained 1.7 percent to $109.35 a barrel. U.S. West Texas Intermediate futures rose 1.6 percent. Copper was up 0.7 percent, though gold slipped 0.2 percent to $1,928.7 per ounce.


“The base case is that we enter a period of stagflation, but it is short lived,” CRUX’s Markson-Brown said, referring to the phenomenon where inflation soars but growth grinds to a halt.

Peru Imposes Curfew to Stymie Protests Over Rising Fuel Costs​

Peruvian President Pedro Castillo imposed a curfew in the capital, Lima, on Tuesday, banning people from leaving their homes in an attempt to curb protests against rising fuel and fertilizer costs that have spread throughout the country.


“The cabinet has agreed to declare a ban on the mobility of citizens from 2 a.m. through 11:59 p.m. of Tuesday April 5 to protect the fundamental rights of all people,” Castillo said in an address broadcast nationwide just before midnight.


On Monday, a wave of protests against rising fuel and fertilizer prices, triggered by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, continued into their second week, while the government scrambled to bring prices down.


The protests represent a harsh reality for the embattled presidency of leftist Pedro Castillo, a peasant farmer and school teacher who won election last year with the overwhelming support of the rural poor.


But his support has quickly waned, even in rural regions, and hovers at about 25 percent nationwide. In his eight months in office, Castillo has survived two impeachment attempts and cycled through an unprecedented number of Cabinet members.



The protests have become increasingly violent and at least four people have been killed, the government said.


On Monday, protesters burned toll booths and clashed with police near the southern city of Ica.


“This strike isn’t happening just here, it’s all over Peru,” said one protester in Ica, who declined to be identified.
The turmoil erupted last week as farmers and truckers blocked some main highways to Lima, leading to a sudden surge in food prices.


The government responded over the weekend with a proposal to forego most taxes on fuel in an attempt to lower prices, while also raising the minimum wage by about 10 percent to 1,205 soles ($332) a month.


Peru has also issued an emergency declaration for its agricultural sector due to rising fertilizer prices triggered by Western sanctions on Russia, a major exporter of potash, ammonia, urea, and other soil nutrients.


Like many countries, Peru was already battling high inflation before the war. In March, inflation hit a 26-year high, largely driven by rising fuel and food prices.

New Zealand Sanctions 36 Russian Oligarchs Including Chelsea Football Club Owner​

The New Zealand (NZ) government has rolled out a new wave of sanctions targeting oligarchs with close personal ties to President Vladimir Putin or the Russian government, including Chelsea Football Club owner Roman Abramovich.


Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced that the sanctions on a further 36 individuals came into effect on March 5.


“This list includes some of Russia’s richest businesspeople, as well as chairs and chief executives of some of Russia’s biggest companies,” she said in a media release. “They will not be able to travel to Aotearoa New Zealand, move assets here, or use our financial systems to hide from sanctions imposed by other countries.”


Abramovich was disqualified from running the English Premier League team Chelsea after he was sanctioned by UK authorities. However, the billionaire has vowed to sell the club and direct the proceeds toward aiding the Ukrainian people.


Authorities have also been involved in highly publicized seizures of luxury villas, yachts, and private planes.



Emeritus legal professor Gabriel Moens has raised concerns over the lack of transparency from democratic governments in identifying targets for sanction.


“Simply being an acquaintance of Vladimir Putin is neither a satisfactory nor a sufficient reason for depriving them of their property.” he wrote in The Epoch Times. “The reality is that there are oligarchs who oppose the invasion and are prepared to use their resources to help the victims of Putin’s war of aggression.”
The foreign minister said further measures would be enacted in the coming weeks.


“New Zealand is appalled at reports over the weekend showing the targeted killing and abuse of civilians, as Russian troops withdraw from areas of Ukraine,” Mahuta said.


She said through the sanctions, New Zealand would work with the international community to put pressure on people supporting Putin


“[It will also] send a clear message that this illegal invasion cannot continue and that the brutality and inhumane acts from Russian troops cannot be tolerated,” she said.


Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said Russia needed to answer to the world for the reported atrocities its troops have done.


She added that New Zealand had joined the international community in referring Russia to the International Criminal Court but stopped short of called Putin a war criminal.


“Ultimately, it is for the International Criminal Court to make that determination but I think the evidence is there. New Zealand is supporting the prosecutors and gathering that evidence and making sure that Russia is held to account,” she told reporters on March 4.


Meanwhile, the Russian ambassador remains in New Zealand with Ardern saying the government was keeping diplomatic options open but would not rule out expelling him in the future.


“When it comes to expelling ambassadors, that also means you lose your diplomatic representation,” she said. “It is an absolute option for us, it just so happens that we prioritised what we consider much more impactful options at this stage.”

JPMorgan CEO Warns of Possible $1 Billion Russia Loss​

JPMorgan could lose about $1 billion on its Russia exposure, Chief Executive Jamie Dimon said on Monday, detailing the extent of the bank’s potential losses from the conflict in Ukraine for the first time.


In his keenly watched annual letter to shareholders, the chairman and chief executive of the biggest U.S. bank by assets also urged the United States to increase its military presence in Europe and reiterated a call for it to develop a plan to ensure energy security for itself and its allies.


Dimon did not provide a time frame for JPMorgan’s potential Russia losses but said the bank was concerned about the secondary impact of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on companies and countries. Russia calls its actions a “special operation.”


Global banks have detailed their exposure to Russia in recent weeks but Dimon is the most high-profile world business leader yet to comment on the broader impact of the conflict.


“America must be ready for the possibility of an extended war in Ukraine with unpredictable outcomes. We should prepare for the worst and hope for the best,” he wrote.



Dimon may continue as chairman when he eventually relinquishes his role as chief executive, the bank said Monday.


The disclosure, in a report to shareholders ahead of JPMorgan’s annual meeting in May, said the bank had found that most major shareholders want Dimon to remain chairman.


The board also said that it was inclined as a “general policy” to separate the jobs of chairman and chief executive after Dimon is gone. Many shareholders have a general preference to separate the posts, it said.


Dimon has made something of a joke of perpetually saying he will resign in five years. In 2019, he said the five-year clock had actually begun.


In his letter to shareholders, Dimon addressed the relationship between the United States and China and said the United States should revamp its supply chain to restrict its scope to suppliers within the United States or to only include “completely friendly allies”. He urged the United States to rejoin the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), one of the world’s biggest multinational trade deals.


Commenting on the macroeconomic environment, Dimon said the number of Federal Reserve interest rate hikes “could be significantly higher than the market expects.” He also detailed the bank’s rising expenses, in part due to technology investments and acquisition costs.


The letter is Dimon’s 17th as CEO. While Dimon is not the only CEO of a top U.S. bank to write such letters, his have become must-reads among Wall Street’s elite and policymakers for the view they provide into his political and economic ideas.


‘Fortress Balance Sheet’​


This year’s letter comes as the Russia-Ukraine war and high inflation are hurting the economy, and as Dimon faces new skepticism from investors over expenses.


Some question his plans to increase spending on the bank’s information technology and campaigns to take market share in businesses and geographies where JPMorgan currently trails competitors, such as in Germany and the United Kingdom.


JPMorgan decided earlier this year to hold its first investor day since the pandemic began to address doubts about its spending plans. The meeting will be held on May 23.


Dimon has spent more than a decade building what he calls the bank’s “fortress balance sheet,” and he said it is now robust enough that JPMorgan could withstand losses of $10 billion or more and “still be in very good shape.”


While Dimon wrote that he is not worried about the bank’s exposure to Russia, he said the war in Ukraine will slow the global economy and will impact geopolitics for decades.
“We are facing challenges at every turn: a pandemic, unprecedented government actions, a strong recovery after a sharp and deep global recession, a highly polarized U.S. election, mounting inflation, a war in Ukraine, and dramatic economic sanctions against Russia,” he said.


On acquisitions, Dimon said that the bank will be reducing stock buybacks over the next year to meet capital increases required by federal rules “and because we have made some good acquisitions that we believe will enhance the future of our company.”


JPMorgan has been on a buying spree, spending nearly $5 billion on acquisitions over the past 18 months. Dimon said that will increase “incremental investment expenses” by roughly $700 million this year.


Investments in technology will add $2 billion to expenses this year, Dimon said.

ExxonMobil Suspends Russian Far East LNG Project: Interfax​

ExxonMobil has suspended its liquefied natural gas project in Russia’s Far East, Interfax news agency quoted a Russian governor as saying on Monday, after the firm announced plans to quit the country following Western sanctions.


ExxonMobil said last month it would exit its Russian oil and gas operations, which it had valued at more than $4 billion, and halt new investment due to sanctions on Russia over Ukraine.
The decision would see Exxon pull out of managing large oil and gas production facilities on Sakhalin Island in Russia’s Far East, and put the fate of a proposed multi-billion dollar LNG facility there in doubt.


Exxon had planned to build the Far East Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) project with annual capacity of more than 6 million tonnes as part of Sakhalin-1 consortium led by Russian energy giant Rosneft.


“The project, which the Americans—Exxon—had announced at the port of De Kastri with the pipe from Sakhalin, it is frozen until further notice from them,” Interfax quoted the Khabarovsk region’s governor Mikhail Degtyaryov as saying.



“Why has it been done? I am astonished, this is a shot in the foot.”


Exxon in Moscow referred Reuters to the company’s announcement about its decision to leave the business in Russia on March 1.

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Irpin walkthrough after liberation from Russians, a lot of pet rescuing. There's English subs just FYI.



Preemptive damage control. Because it's likely to be the same pretty much everywhere where Russians have occupied.
Pff, "smear campaign". As if they don't already stink to high heaven.
Bruh, closer to the end dude mentions intercepted calls from Russian soldiers that they ate dogs due to the lack of supplies.
Russian soldier is like a fusion of nigger and chink bugmen.
 
You know KMW's own technicians are all salivating at the idea of some of their Leo 2's being sent out to Ukraine to get proper, raw data from its performance against T-80s and various flavour of T-72.
Not a chance, even if Polacks send them, It's going to take atleas 4 months of training and familiarization. More likely scenario is them dupming their PT-91s and T-72ms they have lying around.
 
Source?

Also, could you retards stop arguing with one another? Go to the happenings thread for that.

Zelensky says negotiations with Putin might not happen after accusing Moscow of genocide​


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has cast doubt on the possibility of meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin after he accused Russia of genocide.

"It might happen that there will be no negotiations," Zelensky said on Ukrainian state TV on Tuesday.

Zelensky said it would be understandable to not speak to Putin after accusing Russian troops of carrying out war crimes in Ukraine. "It would be easy to say I’m not going to talk to you -- and it would be understandable, after what you have done, that’s why."

A meeting could happen if Russia were to "bear all the punishments" of committing genocide, he said.


And in this meeting, we could find the way out of this situation, without losing our territory. I think that this is the bar we have to set for these negotiations. And then we will see. It might happen that there will be no negotiations. It might happen."

Zelensky paid a visit to the Kyiv suburb of Bucha on Monday, an area where shocking images of civilian bodies strewn on the streets emerged over the weekend. During the visit he said that it was "very difficult to negotiate" with Russia "when you see what they have done here."

Russian military claims strikes on Ukrainian military training center​


The Russian military has claimed it carried out long-range strikes with sea-launched missiles on what it described as a training center for Ukrainian special operations forces in southern Ukraine.


CNN could not immediately verify that claim. The Russian military describes foreigners who have volunteered to fight for Ukraine as "mercenaries."

Konashenkov added that Russian forces air-launched precision missiles targeting fuel storage facilities in four locations: In Kremenets, Cherkasy, Zaporizhzhia and Novomoskovsk.

Russian forces have targeted fuel supply and storage facilities around Ukraine since the invasion.

Italy expels 30 Russian diplomats, and Moscow vows to retaliate.​


Italy expelled 30 Russian diplomats working at the Russian Embassy in Rome on Tuesday, citing security concerns — a move that prompted Moscow to vow retaliation.

Italy’s foreign minister, Luigi Di Maio, called the expulsion “necessary” to protect national security, “in agreement with other European and Atlantic partners,” and in the context of the “unjustified aggression against Ukraine on the part of the Russian federation.”

Moscow in turn said that it was prepared to act in the face of the move. “Russia will make an appropriate response,” said Maria Zakharova, the foreign ministry’s spokeswoman, according to TASS.
I really don't get the arguments of both the Russians and Ukrainians regarding war crimes. The Russians whine about war crimes like POWs being shot in the legs, which to be fair there is video evidence of. At the same time though, you're invading a country what did you think would happen? It's like breaking into someones house, getting caught, and then crying about it when the person decides to break your kneecaps with a bat. Just don't break into the house, especially if you're breaking into a house you claim is full of big scary mean nazis you'd expect that could happen.

On the Ukrainian side, there's evidence your guys have been doing shady shit too, again at least to me it's more understandable since you're being invaded but it's pretty stupid to whine about the Russians doing it too. Especially if you're using it as an excuse to not go to the negotiating table since both of you are seemingly committing war crimes. Yeah the terms might not be what you want, in which case just don't agree to them, it doesn't really benefit anyone to not hear all options and try to negotiate to find out if there can be more options brought to the table.
 
I really don't get the arguments of both the Russians and Ukrainians regarding war crimes. The Russians whine about war crimes like POWs being shot in the legs, which to be fair there is video evidence of. At the same time though, you're invading a country what did you think would happen? It's like breaking into someones house, getting caught, and then crying about it when the person decides to break your kneecaps with a bat. Just don't break into the house, especially if you're breaking into a house you claim is full of big scary mean nazis you'd expect that could happen.

On the Ukrainian side, there's evidence your guys have been doing shady shit too, again at least to me it's more understandable since you're being invaded but it's pretty stupid to whine about the Russians doing it too. Especially if you're using it as an excuse to not go to the negotiating table since both of you are seemingly committing war crimes. Yeah the terms might not be what you want, in which case just don't agree to them, it doesn't really benefit anyone to not hear all options and try to negotiate to find out if there can be more options brought to the table.
It's one thing to commit war crimes against an invading army soldat, especially something as 'relatively' mild as a kneecap, and having your soldats murdering and raping civilians, especially when Russians are trying to claim some weird moral superiority.

Do soldiers deserve humanitarian treatment if they surrender? Sure. Do civilians deserve not getting all their shit looted and potentially watching their kids get raped before being murdered? Definitely.

Russians have been dehumanizing Ukrainians, in their propaganda they say all Ukrainians are nazis and deserve everything that their soldiers do to them, there has been a piece of Russian propaganda titled something like "What should Russia do with Ukraine" from some Russian politfuck posted some pages back that essentially describes a "Final Solution" to the Ukrainian Issue, I shit you not it reads like a manifesto calling for genocide, saying every Ukrainian is the problem, if they don't side with Russia they're just 'passive' nazis, and how to do it "right", fits right in with what Russians are supposedly doing.

Also, quite frankly, at this point in the war Russian Soldiers know they're fighting a war against people who don't want them there, excuses like "They told me I was going to training exercise" no longer apply and after uncovering what those vodka niggers are doing to people who can't even defend themselves, they should be fucking flayed, not kneecapped.
 
It's one thing to commit war crimes against an invading army soldat, especially something as 'relatively' mild as a kneecap, and having your soldats murdering and raping civilians, especially when Russians are trying to claim some weird moral superiority.

Do soldiers deserve humanitarian treatment if they surrender? Sure. Do civilians deserve not getting all their shit looted and potentially watching their kids get raped before being murdered? Definitely.

Russians have been dehumanizing Ukrainians, in their propaganda they say all Ukrainians are nazis and deserve everything that their soldiers do to them, there has been a piece of Russian propaganda titled something like "What should Russia do with Ukraine" from some Russian politfuck posted some pages back that essentially describes a "Final Solution" to the Ukrainian Issue, I shit you not it reads like a manifesto calling for genocide, saying every Ukrainian is the problem, if they don't side with Russia they're just 'passive' nazis, and how to do it "right", fits right in with what Russians are supposedly doing.

Also, quite frankly, at this point in the war Russian Soldiers know they're fighting a war against people who don't want them there, excuses like "They told me I was going to training exercise" no longer apply and after uncovering what those vodka niggers are doing to people who can't even defend themselves, they should be fucking flayed, not kneecapped.
Oh I know about that schizo screed, reads like a page out of the Unbreaded manifesto. I guess my point should rather be explained as it doesn't really do anything to complain about it now while the war is still happening outside of maybe making evidence known for when the war is over. Right now it's kinda like two people shooting at eachother while yelling "Stop shooting at me!" all while they are also shooting. The shouting doesn't really accomplish much until the shooting stops. I mean what would really even happen if they tried to put Putin on trial while the war was still going on? He's not gonna go waltz into the UN or whatever and risk getting arrested when a victor hasn't even been decided yet.
 
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Oh I know about that schizo screed, reads like a page out of the Unbreaded manifesto. I guess my point should rather be explained as it doesn't really do anything to complain about it now while the war is still happening outside of maybe making evidence known for when the war is over. Right now it's kinda like two people shooting at eachother while yelling "Stop shooting at me!" all while they are also shooting. The shouting doesn't really accomplish much until the shooting stops. I mean what would really even happen if they tried to put Putin on trial while the war was still going on? He's not gonna go waltz into the UN or whatever and risk getting arrested when a victor hasn't even been decided yet.
I'll explain it the /pol/ way, Russia is acting like a nigger who broke into a crackers (Ukraine) home, broke everything he could, raped his kids and attacked him clearly aiming to murder him, but he had the balls to defend himself and what's left of his home and now the nigger is screaming "RACISM!" while being punched back but the whole scenario is just so obvious and outrageous that even people who would normally be salivating over another "lynching" headline just can't parse it, they can't take that side.

Really, the sheer outrageous of the entire event and the fact it's somehow livestreamed for all to see overshadows any narratives about what might have caused the nigger to go apeshit on the cracker, maybe the cracker cat called his baby mama, maybe the cracker stole his food stamps, maybe it's just revenge for perceived systemic racism, it's not relevant because the response is not proportional.

Does this work?

Russia fucking started it, and they started it in such a shit way they couldn't even do some nice big false flag nazi terrorist culling of some irrelevant Russian village, so nobody gives two fucks what Russia has to say for itself.
 
I really don't get the arguments of both the Russians and Ukrainians regarding war crimes.

What war crimes? There are only two vids that I'm aware of.

1. "Ukrainian" soldiers without insignia supposedly shooting a POWs in a foot. That vid has been pulled apart. Russians claimed that Ukrainians were captured and named names. Those Ukrainians (Azov commanders) immediately made a video about their demise being exhagerated. i.e. Russians lied like they always do.

2. This video that Russians themselves spread instructions how to share far and wide, including soloviev himself (can't find screen from Soloviev site)
There was an analysis few pages back. The only dude shot was already chocking on his blood with his lungs being full of holes ... that's it. No proofs, if anything mercy killing.


On the other hand you have massive reports of looting, dudes shipping half a tonne of looted shit. Dead civilians, raped and tortured including little kids. The evidence comes from Western jornos, anyone willing to come and look. NYT showed dead bodies laying on the streets for weeks, just like Russians saying that dead bodies were "moving", it was all staged.

Russians have continuously engaged in 1. We didn't do noffin 2. It's a staged photo 3. We did it but only because they Nazis!


Please don't bring up this shitty: "...bbbut Ukrainians did it too" .... not even fucking close.



P.S. Russia just decriminalized looting from battle sites and occupied lands ...

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2. This video that Russians themselves spread instructions how to share far and wide, including soloviev himself (can't find screen from Soloviev site)
There was an analysis few pages back. The only dude shot was already chocking on his blood with his lungs being full of holes ... that's it. No proofs, if anything mercy killing.
I'll try to find it but I'm fairly certain I saw somewhere that it's claimed that Russian defense ministry issued an order (there was a photo/scan of a document) to create propaganda footage not unlike the "kneecapping" video specifically aimed at Russian troops to decrease the chance of them surrendering.

And let's be honest does that sound unlikely? I am 100% confident that the reports of units that exist solely to track down and shoot deserters are real, would it be hard to dress such a uniform in UA gear and stage a video?
 
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I'll try to find it but I'm fairly certain I saw somewhere that it's claimed that Russian defense ministry issued an order (there was a photo/scan of a document) to create propaganda footage not unlike the "kneecapping" video specifically aimed at Russian troops to decrease the chance of them surrendering.

And let's be honest does that sound unlikely? I am 100% confident that the reports of units that exist solely to track down and shoot deserters are real, would it be hard to dress such a uniform in UA gear and stage a video?
Russians have a looooong history of false flags, including in the run up to this, one of which used a BTR-70A... a vehicle that the Ukrainians don't have. Anything they claim in regards to any massacre or atrocity is a mix of denial and blaming someone else with a mix of what aboutism. I had to turn off the Russian UN speech because I genuinely was starting to get mad.

EDIT: Also, be on the lookout for news from Borodyanka. It might be worse than Bucha there, and was in Russian hands far longer.
 
Russians have a looooong history of false flags, including in the run up to this, one of which used a BTR-70A... a vehicle that the Ukrainians don't have. Anything they claim in regards to any massacre or atrocity is a mix of denial and blaming someone else with a mix of what aboutism. I had to turn off the Russian UN speech because I genuinely was starting to get mad.

EDIT: Also, be on the lookout for news from Borodyanka. It might be worse than Bucha there, and was in Russian hands far longer.
I didn't watch the U.N speeches. Let me guess the Russians were saying how mean everybody was being to them and they did nothing wrong?
 
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