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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Care to point me to the relevant post? I don't have all the time in the world. Also, Vietnam happened because the Communist North threatened to overtake the non-Communist South, and we intervened.


Posters describe relevant PDFs as Saudi Arabia being personally involved, the relevant law enforcement parties had known the attacks were being planned as early as 1999.

Also on Vietnam, the inciting incident is called the Gulf of Tonkin Incident where U.S. naval ships came close to Vietnam and started reporting an apparent attack from the Vietnamese that they shortly recognized as freak weather behavior, Lyndon Johnson was noted as saying "For all I know, our navy was shooting at whales out there," but he disregarded the reports of a false alarm and reported the attack as legitimate to Congress anyway just because it gave him an excuse to start the war.
 
Why even speak to that thing? It saved its own skin from the conflict and now cheers for those who will die in its stead.
Oh don't pretend you've ever had anything resembling a point. Vince is being disengenuous about his motives, you do it about facts. He's being cagey because he's concerned about his people, you're being deliberately obtuse because you hate your dad.
 
What does the Right offer?
A strong economy, but that's the American right, and not the RINOS.
Exactly. Right screeches about MUH TRICKLE DOWN, while Left goes "right, here's some money, go nuts". It's totally possible to have centre-right welfare state and some countries in Europe do but for the most vocal of rightists, this is basically being a commie. Imagine wanting to have a safety net for your citizenry, right?
And that's the problem with the Right, and why I hate libertarians. They're so dogmatic about not helping the poor, which in the end, causes the Right to lose votes among the proles who don't care about politics, but want material support from the government that taxes them regardless.
I don't know about the rest of the world but Americans generally do not want handouts, they want self determination and upward mobility, which the government will never provide for the same reasons Russia will never provide it, because middle class people are educated and have political demands. Need I remind you all of the failures of Venezuela?
 
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Oh don't pretend you've ever had anything resembling a point. Vince is being disengenuous about his motives, you do it about facts. He's being cagey because he's concerned about his people, you're being deliberately obtuse because you hate your dad.
It's a rat that fled a burning ship, comfortably wailing about the necessities of total war from the distance. I'd mock you as well but the company you keep is a bigger insult than words.
 
That is until you remember "globalism" doesn't mean anything to them beyond open borders and they're too pussy to call themselves racists
How does nationalism make you racist? Is it not in a nation's best interest to maintain their borders? Are you suggesting that Ukraine should've surrendered to Russia because it's Russophobic to fight back against an invader?
 
How does nationalism make you racist? Is it not in a nation's best interest to maintain their borders? Are you suggesting that Ukraine should've surrendered to Russia because it's Russophobic to fight back against an invader?
Nationalism is a retarded meme ideology that has brought nothing to the world other than pain, misery, genocide, and suffering

This invasion and every death associated with it is literally a result of blind Russian nationalism
 
Nationalism is a retarded meme ideology that has brought nothing to the world other than pain, misery, genocide, and suffering

This invasion and every death associated with it is literally a result of blind Russian nationalism
So you're saying that Ukraine is equally at fault for possessing their own national identity and not surrendering to Russia? Because if they had there wouldn't be as much suffering and destruction as there is now. Is it not Ukraine's national interest to defend their borders from a neighboring invader? Or are you postulating that both parties are guilty of this conflict because they're individual countries who don't share a homogenized language and identity? Are you saying that Stalin and Lenin were right to abrogate the independence of Ukrainians by forcing them to speak Russian and taking their grain, forcing them to starve to death in the Holodomor? By the logic of nationalism being bad, Russia are liberators who seek to alleviate the curse of national identity from "Ukraine."
 
It's a rat that fled a burning ship, comfortably wailing about the necessities of total war from the distance.
See, you're trying too hard. Try to discern anything from my position beyond "lol fleeing rat" and "cheering for other people dying". Did you ever have to console anyone when they've lost everything? I had to, in 2014. I hope you never have to experience it.

Here, I can give you information to insult me properly. Go for it, champ.
Vince is being disengenuous about his motives
What do you suppose I should say?

"I am an ordinary citizen, who has no instruments of influence on his government and thus I resort to spouting my opinion on a cyberbullying forum, which is a digital equivalent of flailing ones' arms in autistic rage" just doesn't have the ring to it.

Americans generally do not want handouts
Because you were sold an idea that you're all temporarily embarrassed millionaires. This is fine too. I just personally prefer a culturally right government that makes sure that citizenry has gibs.
 
Better to be a slave to a system that can and will discard me if I step out of line?
Or, and I know this is radical, have checks and balances! I know, right? Crazy talk. Like, the judiciary and the press and the working police.

Unless, of course, you think that the US doesn't have a bureaucratic apparatus that would make USSR apparatchiks blush.
 
Well, he said it, and I tend to agree. How about you guys?

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Zelenskyy is doing a tremendous job of weaponizing his popularity and underdog status.
Better to be a slave to a system that can and will discard me if I step out of line? Like in Communist Russia?
You're drawing a false dichotomy.
Because you were sold an idea that you're all temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
Based Steinbeck enjoyer.
 
At the end of the clip you can see him stumble like a zombie as flame envelops him. Is that shock and losing consciousness? Dude is a toast.
It's ALL Going to Plan. Phase 1 has been a sweeping success. Now we move on to Phase 2. Please pay no mind to the screams and smells of our burning soldiers. They burn with the incandescent fury of Nazi Hunters.
 
Or, and I know this is radical, have checks and balances! I know, right? Crazy talk. Like, the judiciary and the press and the working police.

Unless, of course, you think that the US doesn't have a bureaucratic apparatus that would make USSR apparatchiks blush.
In all fairness the U.S press are bias as hell.
 
In this thread:

>I hate Russia
>Now let me advocate for all the things that made Russia awful in the first place


For all your talk about how bad the right and libertarians are, you're equally retarded to advocate for shit that was an active detriment to everyone under the USSR.
 
In this thread:

>I hate Russia
>Now let me advocate for all the things that made Russia awful in the first place


For all your talk about how bad the right and libertarians are, you're equally retarded to advocate for shit that was an active detriment to everyone under the USSR.
What are you talking about? Russia doesn't have a strong, capitalist economy (it's state capitalism, even shittier than Chinese), nor does it have a strong social net.
 
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