Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

If Russia did do what is being suggested they did, then I'd absolutely be condemning them. Available evidence doesn't really seem to support it though, unless there's something I've missed (In which case please direct me to it.).

Things wrong with the story:

1: The timeline doesn't really seem to fit, The bodies aren't mentioned until several days after the town is "liberated", despite being out in the open. It also is only reported after Azov and SAFARI are on the scene. The bodies also seem relatively "fresh", though it has been mentioned that the area is quite cold, and I don't think there have been any closeups.

2: The dead civilians seem to be wearing paraphernalia that implies they're supportive of Russia, are surrounded by Russian humanitarian aid. Why would the Russians feed these guys, give them white armbands, and THEN shoot them? (You could argue that the MRE packages are just rubbish blown in from wherever, admittedly.)

3: Azov/The ukie military have been shown to abuse/maim PoWs/civilians in the past, multiple times. Not even just documentation of this, but footage they themselves have released for some fucking reason. I've not seen footage of Russians doing anything approaching the same thing. (Though there is the video of (chechens?) handing an Azov guy an unloaded pistol and having him "shoot" his friend, and some other milder stuff).

4: What's the motive for the Russians murdering civilians and leaving them in plain view for The Ukrainians to find?

5: Why was the Russian request for an investigation at the UN shot down? I have absolutely no idea why this would be done unless there's something to hide.

For what it's worth, people need to stop mentioning the UK shooting down Russia like they don't want to discuss it. It's likely the request to convene that Russia submitted either didn't assign blame or blamed Ukraine for it. The UK shot it down and then submitted their own request to convene, one where they will take a center stage instead of Russia.

If Russia took center stage it's likely they would abuse that privilege to vigorously deny any evidence the Russia did it, and instead say all the bodies are fake or assign blame squarely to Ukraine. Personally though I wouldn't be surprised both were committing atrocities against civilians under the guise "They're Nazis" for Russian troops or "They're Russian saboteurs" for Ukrainian troops.

 

[St.Davis]

For what it's worth, people need to stop mentioning the UK shooting down Russia like they don't want to discuss it. It's likely the request to convene that Russia submitted either didn't assign blame or blamed Ukraine for it. The UK shot it down and then submitted their own request to convene, one where they will take a center stage instead of Russia.

If Russia took center stage it's likely they would abuse that privilege to vigorously deny any evidence the Russia did it, and instead say all the bodies are fake or assign blame squarely to Ukraine. Personally though I wouldn't be surprised both were committing atrocities against civilians under the guise "They're Nazis" for Russian troops or "They're Russian saboteurs" for Ukrainian troops.

This is slightly less concerning, though I'm not sure what "Privilege" they would have had. Are security council meetings actually structured in such a way that whoever calls it is "Privileged" in some fashion?

This press release states a different reason for the "merging" of meetings.

https://www.un.org/press/en/2022/220404_SC.doc.htm

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Not my enemies, not your enemies either you dumb piggy lmfao. You aren’t the state department, you aren’t the government, you have literally nothing to do with this fight. Stop larping as if Russia is threatening to take away your porn and fast food.

Rip China bros.

 

[Narcotics]

For what it's worth, people need to stop mentioning the UK shooting down Russia like they don't want to discuss it. It's likely the request to convene that Russia submitted either didn't assign blame or blamed Ukraine for it. The UK shot it down and then submitted their own request to convene, one where they will take a center stage instead of Russia.

If Russia took center stage it's likely they would abuse that privilege to vigorously deny any evidence the Russia did it, and instead say all the bodies are fake or assign blame squarely to Ukraine. Personally though I wouldn't be surprised both were committing atrocities against civilians under the guise "They're Nazis" for Russian troops or "They're Russian saboteurs" for Ukrainian troops.

Wouldn't that just mean that now it will be the UK (ergo. ukraine) to hold the bias in the investigation though? i guess this is a scenario where it's virtually impossible to find common ground free from the hard biases from both sides. Which sucks because it will mean that we, the common citizen will never know what actually went down and we'll only know whatever the people up high wants to tell us happened.

 

[Übertroon]

One Ukrainian tanker decides to go full Michael Wittmann

 

[Narcotics]

A boom in Belgorod happened.

Doesn't say if it was a deposit or something, so it probably wasn't a targeted attack like last time, apparently no helicopters were sighted, no deaths, no shelling, just a random explosion apparently.

EDIT: From another telegram.

This one was posted before the top image, probably the same? they both claim an explosion in belgorod.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

This is slightly less concerning, though I'm not sure what "Privilege" they would have had. Are security council meetings actually structured in such a way that whoever calls it is "Privileged" in some fashion?

This press release states a different reason for the "merging" of meetings.

https://www.un.org/press/en/2022/220404_SC.doc.htm

Mainly has to do with what gets put on official record of specifically the meeting is supposed to be about, most people don't give a shit, but politics, especially diplomacy, is an especially autistic game.

Wouldn't that just mean that now it will be the UK (ergo. ukraine) to hold the bias in the investigation though? i guess this is a scenario where it's virtually impossible to find common ground free from the hard biases from both sides. Which sucks because it will mean that we, the common citizen will never know what actually went down and we'll only know whatever the people up high wants to tell us happened.

Don't get me wrong, as I said both sides probably committed atrocities against the civilian population, we already have confirmed shit about Russia kidnapping people, at that point killing the "Subversive parts of the population" isn't too much of a step forward. UK is just doing the autistic game known as politics, doing what convenient for the West.

 

[The best and greatest]

Military campaign, hark at this burger.

America doesn't do campaigns, it does carpet bombing of enemy infrastructure, mass murder of civilians and attempted occupation which it's horrendously bad at. Where's the skill exactly in dropping thousands of tons of ordinance? US infantry tactics consists of patrolling and calling airstrikes on any Jihadi that so much as looks at them funny. They were two generations ahead in their weapons systems compared to the enemies they chose to fight. It was the equivalent of the British army battling spear chucking tribesmen, and even then they still fucking lost. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, one humiliating defeat after another. But no one copes harder than a burger so here we are.

Now we're back to proxy wars. America will just pay people to fight their battles, ISIS, Azov no matter, the more psychopathic and bloodthirsty the better, good for the optics.

Burgers need to genuinely get fucked.

Ehh Iraq isn't really the total failure the other two campaigns were since the governing body we helped build is more or less still there.

 

[bread n circuses]

Ehh Iraq isn't really the total failure the other two campaigns were since the governing body we helped build is more or less still there.

What? Iraq’s government is now in Iran’s pocket. They were enemies before the US invasion, america literally just handed control of a neighbouring country to their top enemy in the region.

What are you even talking about?

 

[The best and greatest]

What? Iraq’s government is now in Iran’s pocket. They were enemies before the US invasion, america literally just handed control of a neighbouring country to their top enemy in the region.

What are you even talking about?

But the governing body is still in nominal control of the country. The fact that they switched sides is beside the point. They didnt fall over to regime change after we left so at least its a relatively stable government...Or you know, what passes for stable in that part of the world.

 

[naffatune]

From yesterday. 264 Ukrainian special forces troops surrender to Russian forces in Mariupol (link)

Sifted thru the last 30 pages and ctrl + F'd keywords to see if this was already posted. Didn't find anything, which is surprising considering that this is the largest capture of troops that i've seen in one video

 

[JambledUpWords]

Link (Archive)

 

[BelUwUga]

I have not seen this footage. Would you mind finding it?

Separatists/Russians, starts 15:12. Via reddit. (Have local archive, is 200mb)

Spoiler: Edit- I found some cool shit while searching for it too. Not directly relevant but cool AF.

Both from much earlier in these shenanigans. Oh also, hey kid- wanna DIY your own cruise missile? Fucking hell yes you do.

 

[OctopodaEnjoyer]

I really don't know why the Ukies keep releasing footage of them doing stuff like this.

Because they know that no matter what they do, even the worst shit you could possibly imagine, will either get hand-waved away or completely blacklisted from reporting. They could film themselves gangraping and then executing an entire village of 'suspected collaborators' and the public knowledge of it would either be nonexistent or 'russian psyops' to normies, and "Based Ukriane Chads Laying Down the Big Dick of Heckin Justice" to reddit types. The only people who might ever be in a position to punish them for it are the same people who are trying to whip up the entire world into being on board for a third world war, and they have already declared which side is satan incarnate and which side gets to kill civilians and POW's as 'unfortunate collateral'.

 

[Narcotics]

Interesting comment exchange in VOR's Russia Ukraine War Day 41 video (why yes my youtube is in spanish)

 

[St.Davis]

Separatists/Russians, starts 15:12. Via reddit. (Have local archive, is 200mb)

This isnt really the same thing as the Ukrainians have been doing during this conflict though, is it? These guys are calling people to inform them of losses, not to mock them. They're even stating they're going to transfer remains over to the Ukrainian side.

 

[Associate Rick]

To think, if Infinity Ward had just waited until 2022 to release Modern Warfare 2 instead of faggots getting up in arms about a mission necessary for the story and entirely optional, they would be praising this mission to hell and back.

About a month before all this kicked off Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons had to cancel a book he was going to publish by a member of Azov about his experiences during 2014-2015 in Ukraine, cancelled because of screeching faggots who only a month later would undoubtedly have bought it, if Ians announcement of the book had been on a later timeline he could have made bank.

 

[BelUwUga]

This isnt really the same thing as the Ukrainians have been doing during this conflict though, is it? These guys are calling people to inform them of losses, not to mock them. They're even stating they're going to transfer remains over to the Ukrainian side.

I mean it probably didn't sting any less for the dead dude's family getting the call. Also it's hard for me to know if it was/wasn't a facetious tone. These are the same dudes that blasted a completely uninvolved country's airliner out of the sky like the instant they got loaned a BUK. I could probably spend all day finding "wAr CrImEs" committed by fighters from both sides and match them 1:1. Instead I'll just echo my original stance: this is just kinda how slav-niggatry goes.

 

[JambledUpWords]

 

[Margo Martindale]

ATGM vs Helicopter
War Thunder moment
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This is the stuff I want to see more of.