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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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The incidence of (homo)sexual assault in the Russian Army is vast. It has some name like the grandfather system or Dedovshchina. Perhaps their personal knowledge of homosexuality is key to them fighting 'globohomo'.'


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Now I wonder the Russians are plotting something big to allow Putin to claim victory by Victory Day on 9th May.
They most certainly do, Russians would eat him alive if he doesn't give them something to gloat about.
 
The incidence of (homo)sexual assault in the Russian Army is vast. It has some name like the grandfather system or Dedovshchina. Perhaps their personal knowledge of homosexuality is key to them fighting 'globohomo'.'


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Now I wonder the Russians are plotting something big to allow Putin to claim victory by Victory Day on 9th May.

That is why I cannot buy this whole nonsense about them being against "globohomo". They practice it in such regularity that it makes the western LGBT movements look positively decent.

The coal miners who live in the Rust Belt sure think it's a bad thing, because now they're on the dole and can be kicked off of it any time. These people weren't simply made obsolete by the forward march of technology, they were forced out of work by politicians who want to move away from coal as a source of electricity. These people had jobs and those jobs were rug-pulled by political meddling, now they either struggle in squalor or they subsist on government money in squalor. Can you imagine doing a certain job your whole life and have some smug Democrat come in and put a lid on the whole industry you were a part of? The Rust Belt is the result of daddy government "looking out" for "the people."

This discussion belongs elsewhere. PM me for details.

However, it is my opinion that we should have moved energy production to ethanol and nuclear a long time ago. Relying on rocks dug up from the ground as the basis of your economy is what killed the Spanish Empire when their gold mines ran dry. Also, it would have removed western reliance on nations like Russia for oil.
 
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I was not aware that nationalism was a distinct ideology to patriotism. So you say that nationalism is just extreme patriotic colonialism? Or does imperialism also count? I also noticed @Ly Erg mention that this form of extreme patriotism is called jingoism. Perhaps we should use this term instead of nationalism going forward, since nationalism just sounds like "I like my country."
If you want to be technical, nationalism is an intense love for one's nation and a desire for its advancement, while patriotism is an intense love and devotion to one's country. These terms aren't exactly synonymous, though they can be used that way. One can be intensely nationalistic but not patriotic. Ethnic nationalists are intensely nationalistic to their nation, as in their national people or ethnic group, but may be extremely unpatriotic to whatever state their people's are currently inhabiting. Perfect examples are Irish nationalists in Northern Ireland, or the Tamil people of Sri Lanka. But most English speaking people today tend to conflate the two words together and use them interchangeably, which isn't technically wrong. Nationalism and patriotism can also encompass chauvinism ( a zealous or aggressive patriotism/nationalism, or blind enthusiasm for military glory) and jingoism (basically an even more bellicose form of chauvinism where one acts like a jingo, or a person who loudly and excessively professes their patriotism, and favors extreme war preparedness or even an outright aggressive foreign policy).

If Japan for some reason managed to get the Kuril from Russia, I can't explain it enough how big the anger from China (and Korea) would be, since they too have disputed islands with Japan
Japan doesn't have any outstanding disputes with Korea (territorially), but does have one with China in the form of the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands. But then again, China has outstanding disputes with pretty much all of its neighbors.
 
Who am I buttering up then?
I can tell you what you're buttering up: NATO's direct intervention into Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
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You're advocating for world war three and have the gal to say that you're not saying what you had just said in the exact same post. That's not nuance. It's not even a farce. You're a vile chickenhawk who had fled a zone of conflict when your life was in danger. Now you want others to go and die at your behest.
 
Fun fact, that plane was outfitted for a SEAD mission, you can tell by the pods on the wings. It certainly suppressed air defenses by taking a missile to the engines from the look of things.
And it got shot down by a 40+ year old Soviet Era SAM system. All they need is for a T-14 to show up and immediately join the turret launch brigade to showcase the true stunning capabilities of all of their latest state of the art Military Hardware for sale. (ORDER TODAY! 50% OFF FIRE SALE!!!! Our Prices are INSANE!)
 
And it got shot down by a 40+ year old Soviet Era SAM system. All they need is for a T-14 to show up and immediately join the turret launch brigade to showcase the true stunning capabilities of all of their latest state of the art Military Hardware for sale. (ORDER TODAY! 50% OFF FIRE SALE!!!! Our Prices are INSANE!)
It’s the first Su-35 loss confirmed. It’s also the plane Russia has arguably invested the most into in terms of electronics. The Su-35 is also one of their favorite air show aircraft. Losing it is really going to make a lot of potential buyers look at the Gripen instead.
 
I can tell you what you're buttering up: NATO's direct intervention into Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
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You're advocating for world war three and have the gal to say that you're not saying what you had just said in the exact same post. That's not nuance. It's not even a farce. You're a vile chickenhawk who had fled a zone of conflict when your life was in danger. Now you want others to go and die at your behest.
Since I have apparently been sucked back into the glory hole that is this thread, dude.

There were loads of Americans in 1940 saying that certain (((faggots))) wanted to drag us into another world war over a shitty little territorial dispute between a couple of busted former powers on the other side of the globe.

I am a hard no on WWIII but it certainly seems like time to tighten the screws a bit on Putin.
 
Okay, fag.

I can't be arrested for protesting the president, unlike Russians (or Chinese) who are regularly disappeared for being political dissidents. I can criticize the U.S. government, Russians and Chinese cannot.

Neither can the Ukrainians. Whoops!

Nobody has shared the video Zelenskyy showed to the UN this morning?


If someone can pasta and archive, I'd appreciate it.

This video is very NSFW. Rough stuff.

I wonder which CIA analyst fabricated it for him, lol

Since I have apparently been sucked back into the glory hole that is this thread, dude.

There were loads of Americans in 1940 saying that certain (((faggots))) wanted to drag us into another world war over a shitty little territorial dispute between a couple of busted former powers on the other side of the globe.

I am a hard no on WWIII but it certainly seems like time to tighten the screws a bit on Putin.

"Everyone the TV man tells me to hate is Hitler!"
 
Since I have apparently been sucked back into the glory hole that is this thread, dude.

There were loads of Americans in 1940 saying that certain (((faggots))) wanted to drag us into another world war over a shitty little territorial dispute between a couple of busted former powers on the other side of the globe.

I am a hard no on WWIII but it certainly seems like time to tighten the screws a bit on Putin.
Im pro war with Russia, on the understanding that its a war to counter thier own aggression. I have no interest in invading Russian soil or regime change. A war that only requires us to destroy Russia's war machine and to disable the country from further prosecuting its offensive actions and no changes in land to either side (Kuril islands or Crimea) without needing to put boots into Russian territory is a war I can get behind.
 
How, exactly, is Russia hoping to secure the East, call it a day and move forward economically when there is apparently plenty of evidence of atrocities?

Thinking the Sanctions will "go away" after they take the two eastern regions and leaving the western part of Ukraine alone just isn't going to happen.

These sanctions might as well be herpes, they are for life and they are going to get worse, not better. Oh man, if the game is to have China as your customer of last resort, that's a suck-ass plan Mr. Putin ( I know, like Ethan Ralph, he reads every comment about himself).
 
Neither can the Ukrainians. Whoops!

Are you pulling this out of your ass again? What can't Ukrainians (or anyone there for that matter) do? ... what will make them disappear or put in jail?

If you want to head out to Kiev and make some posters about Zelensky being a filthy joo, I guarantee you no one will touch you and technically there is no law against it.

If you want to come to Hreschatic with a poster "Stop the war!" ... people will agree with you, you are not going to be arrested the moment you show up, like people are, with same poster at Red square.

If you show up with with "Z" and red banners/nazi flags (all equally illegal to display) you will probably be given administrative fine after a bunch of pissed off women will curb stomp your ass.


This is what Marvin was talking about, just in case you want to weazel out of your original statement.
I can't be arrested for protesting the president, unlike Russians (or Chinese) who are regularly disappeared for being political dissidents. I can criticize the U.S. government, Russians and Chinese cannot.
 
Are you pulling this out of your ass again? What can't Ukrainians (or anyone there for that matter) do? ... what will make them disappear or put in jail?

If you want to head out to Kiev and make some posters about Zelensky being a filthy joo, I guarantee you no one will touch you and technically there is no law against it.

If you want to come to Hreschatic with a poster "Stop the war!" ... people will agree with you, you are not going to be arrested the moment you show up, like people are, with same poster at Red square.

If you show up with with "Z" and red banners/nazi flags (all equally illegal to display) you will probably be given administrative fine after a bunch of pissed off women will curb stomp your ass.


This is what Marvin was talking about, just in case you want to weazel out of your original statement.
Can both of you please stop the obnoxious slapfighting? No one cares and you're both shitting up this thread worse than the other one.
 
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