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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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So it's been explained that Russia actually seized possession of about 10 billion dollars worth of airplanes. These might end up being the last useful air vehicles to Russia.

What are the odds of Putin pulling a multi-9/11?
Can those planes be flown remotely, or installed with a system for one? Fill those big ass planes with explosives and you get yourself deadly weapons
 
Can those planes be flown remotely, or installed with a system for one? Fill those big ass planes with explosives and you get yourself deadly weapons
Well, they DO have plenty of Chechens ready for that big virgin party with Allah. I doubt they know how to fly a plane, but they can probably learn pretty fast.

That said, Ukrainian air defenses seem to be pretty much everywhere, so who knows if they'd even make ot near targets?
 
Well, they DO have plenty of Chechens ready for that big virgin party with Allah. I doubt they know how to fly a plane, but they can probably learn pretty fast.

That said, Ukrainian air defenses seem to be pretty much everywhere, so who knows if they'd even make ot near targets?
Sacrificing themselves to kill Christian on the behalf of another Christian? Yeah, I don't think anyone would buy that kind of Jihad. Turkey in WWI tried it and anyone back then didn't buy it either
 
The silicate armor component was rejected by Congress over cost not effectiveness. As U.S. military was keenly aware while HEAT not the main AT shell for tanks, as it is however the goto warhead for antitank missiles, rockets and recoilless rifles. As seen now for the past month with the Ukrainians spamming ATGMs at the Russians at every opportunity.
Yeah, cost was an issue. But it turns out you can't field-repair glass plates all that easily, either. Not an issue if you can just slap a tank on a train car and send it back to the factory like a European nation could. But if your supply lines are transoceanic, you're a bit limited in what you can realistically deploy.
Fuel isn't intended to be primary armor and it was more of a matter of where to put the fuel cells on the AFVs when designing them. Which you're fixated on a nothing burger as when an AFV get lit up, it is almost always the propellant charges lighting up first.
Tell that to the Soviet armored infantry in Afghanistan. Turns out putting fuel in the exit doors of BMP's meant there was no escape for anyone inside the troop bay if those got hit. But hey, keep acting like fuel is no big deal and the USA should take out those firewalls in the Abrams between the frontal fuel tanks and the crew compartment.
Well, they DO have plenty of Chechens ready for that big virgin party with Allah. I doubt they know how to fly a plane, but they can probably learn pretty fast.

That said, Ukrainian air defenses seem to be pretty much everywhere, so who knows if they'd even make ot near targets?
Its easy to learn how to fly if you don't care about landing afterwards.
 
Yeah, cost was an issue. But it turns out you can't field-repair glass plates all that easily, either. Not an issue if you can just slap a tank on a train car and send it back to the factory like a European nation could. But if your supply lines are transoceanic, you're a bit limited in what you can realistically deploy.
Which was why United States had setup the repair facilities in Europe, Japan, South Korea, and everywhere else Uncle Sam have been staying at for several decades precisely because of this. Which had been done since the middle of WWII in France.
Tell that to the Soviet armored infantry in Afghanistan. Turns out putting fuel in the exit doors of BMP's meant there was no escape for anyone inside the troop bay if those got hit.
They have doors on the roof of the troop compartment.
But hey, keep acting like fuel is no big deal and the USA should take out those firewalls in the Abrams between the frontal fuel tanks and the crew compartment.
Fuel fires aren't the problem as the real problem is whomever is capable of starting them in the first place.
 
Apparently, Ukrainians been swatting down Russian cruise missiles, as many as 6 in the past 24h based on what I've read.

Like this Kalibr here: https://uc.od.ua/news/war/1242051
The article says it's cruising under the speed of sound from launch nearly all the way to the target, so their AA units and artillery (???) can prepare and hit them even without the help of radars with some luck.

Two small hatches. Not really all that useful for exiting the vehicle at the best of times, never mind while under fire and trying not to burn to death.
Are you guys seriously arguing about this? Didn't I post a fried Russian escaping the tank just a page ago?
There's a lot more where that came from.
 
So regarding the Czech sending tanks to Ukraine, there's actually something that might be more important which some media didn't emphasize enough:
Czech and Slovakia are considering opening up their facilities to repair and refit Ukrainian equipment
This is big, since that means Ukraine have a safe haven to repair their vehicles without threats from Russian strike. This might also be where all those captured Russian vehicles are going to be sent to, either for analysis or refitting to be reused
 
Well, they DO have plenty of Chechens ready for that big virgin party with Allah.
Nah.

Chechens like Kadyrov aren't religious at all. If You like to look for a stereotypic Muslim in this war, look on the ukrainian side - their have some Chechenyan units also, but not a traitors of Islam like Kadyrov.
 
Czech and Slovakia are considering opening up their facilities to repair and refit Ukrainian equipment
This is big, since that means Ukraine have a safe haven to repair their vehicles without threats from Russian strike
I wonder what Russia does if that happens. They'll be super pissed, especially if not just Ukrainian shit but their captured shit is being put out of reach, but equally they can't risk actually attacking over it, especially given how weak their forces have been shown to be.
 
I wonder what Russia does if that happens. They'll be super pissed, especially if not just Ukrainian shit but their captured shit is being put out of reach, but equally they can't risk actually attacking over it, especially given how weak their forces have been shown to be.

Well they made various sabre rattling noises a few days back about hammering anyone helping the Ukies.

The responce was the Japanese claiming the Kurils back and Poland and Germany promising yet more shit to be sent to the Ukies to wallop Russians some more.

That and the british sending Starstreak and every last NLAW we had in stock... and now HARPOONS. As well as BoJo allegedly declaring the UK "Ukraines Amazon Prime."

So basically they'll screech some more about something or other while claiming Bucha is a false flag despite acres of evidence, same as nobody's dying of radiation sickness right now despite it very obvious they dug holes about a click from the fucking reactor.
 
I wonder what Russia does if that happens. They'll be super pissed, especially if not just Ukrainian shit but their captured shit is being put out of reach, but equally they can't risk actually attacking over it, especially given how weak their forces have been shown to be.
Like @The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said, they can seethe all they want, they're not going to do shit.
They can barely handle Ukraine, and are only attacking because they know they can get away with it.
Going after any other country would just force NATO's hand. Both Czech Republic and Slovakia are beyond Russia's reach.

Russia is literally using gopnik strats, they talk big until they meet resistance. Gopniks are only intimidating in groups, and Russia stands alone.
 
So regarding the Czech sending tanks to Ukraine, there's actually something that might be more important which some media didn't emphasize enough:
Czech and Slovakia are considering opening up their facilities to repair and refit Ukrainian equipment
This is big, since that means Ukraine have a safe haven to repair their vehicles without threats from Russian strike. This might also be where all those captured Russian vehicles are going to be sent to, either for analysis or refitting to be reused
That would be a godsend if that extends to aircraft. Allowing the Ukranians to repair and refit planes/helicopters without the threat of harassment using their specialists could take a lot of stress off the Ukr Air Force.
 
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Migthy morphy russian army before leaving Kiev Oblast was in starve - their eat dogs.
 
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