Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[narcissistic injury]

He thinks he's a glamour puss. The angle and crop hide his shoulders so maybe he thinks he's passing in it? And the colour is probably washed out to hide any signs of aging and/or facial hair.

But he's played himself because the photo just emphasises his massive skull, jaw, brow bone and hairline.

So brutal because even the most charitable person wouldn’t think that’s a photo of a woman

 

[AfghanBlue]

Is this being filmed? Could be a goldmine of lulz.

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I'm genuinely shocked they are having him back.
The panel thing was trash and awkward, you could smell the bad vibes, and the Paris Lees thing...goes without explanation (pretty sure it was both the same org that did em)

 

[scathefire]

I'm unfollowing this thread, this is person is incredibly boring.

No one cares, if you're going to leave just leave.

 

[Jabba2988]

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Actual police flyer of the trans wi spa princess - over two years before the spa incident

Wi Spa: Person at center of transgender protests facing indecent-exposure charges

A person who identifies as a transgender female who is at the center of a controversial incident at a Los Angeles spa has been charged with multiple counts of indecent exposure.

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KOREATOWN, LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A person who identifies as a transgender female who is at the center of a controversial incident at a Los Angeles spa has been charged with multiple counts of indecent exposure.

Darren Merager, 52, of Riverside County, has been charged with five felony counts of indecent exposure, according to the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office.

Merager has been a registered sex offender since 2006 due to indecent exposure incidents in 2002 and 2003, according to the DA.

A search of court records shows more than 40 cases of various types under Merager's name filed in courthouses around Southern California, dating back at least three decades.

The controversial incident happened on June 23 at the Wi Spa in the 2700 block of Wilshire Boulevard.

Police say five people came forward to report an incident of indecent exposure at the spa.

Although Merager identifies as female, several women at the spa said Merager was exposing male genitalia in the women's section of the business.

Indecent exposure charges filed in controversial Wi Spa incident | ABC7

A person who identifies as a transgender female who is at the center of a controversial incident at a Los Angeles spa has been charged with multiple counts o...

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Omg THISSs is who they were protesting on behalf of?!? So embarrassing

Trans rights!!!!!!! Women and gahls!!!!!


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lmao LOOK AT THIS DUUUDE

 

[AMHOLIO]

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lmao LOOK AT THIS DUUUDE

Shoulders, arms, and manstance will never be cured.

 

[Futaba]

The above Olly pic posted earlier in this thread made me think of the synths from Fallout 4 lol. Olly inadvertently serving cyberpunk synth realness.

Spoiler: state of the troonion sperg

She's doing the thing women do when they unconsciously put themselves down around people they feel sorry for or who for whatever reason they think deserves gentle, kid-glove behavior. Unfortunately when they do it to AGPs the AGPs just take it literally. It's a tragic mismatch of female socialization and autogynephile narcissism.

The good thing about the trans movement is that it made me realise how I inadvertently downplayed myself via language when it came to expressing my thoughts. Even when I was 100% sure about something I would still verbally put some doubt in there somewhere lol. Its been hard to break but at least Im aware of the problem now - it is crazy how subconscious this stuff is.

I am feeling hopeful for the future as the UK government has successfully managed to separate the T from the LGB in regards to conversion therapy. I know there is a long way to go but I cant wait for the day when all pretense on troon identity is dropped.

 

[PennyAni]

Excuse me but why the fuck would you do any of this? The fact JoanFromLegal didn't just leave the Chubereddit and keeps posting the same handmaiden lunacy proves she isn't receptive to GC arguments. This drivel - her le leddit post history - is all the proof you need. Why would she keep participating if she peaked or wanted to leave the cult? It's not like any of these terminally online retards could ever find her without identifying personal data. If you reply to her you're only creating an external "threat" she can deal with swiftly to signal her ally status, thus both increasing her meager value in the cult and strengthen her intent to stay inside the foul warmth of Chube's tube.

Why?

Ehn....I mean, you're not wrong. But then it goes back to the whole question of "why ANYTHING?" when it comes to Reddit.

I always kinda felt good about the fact that I never got into Twitter. But Reddit is truly not much better. You're right; it's mildly entertaining at best, but ultimately futile.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Throwback Thursday mf’s.
Cos Olly is a bore, producing tedious milk currently , I had a little read of some old pages and just noticed this.
Lmfao.



It’s the same fucking dress.
Not only do we know exactly what he (and his giant face) looks like in it - it means he was wearing that ugly thing around the house? Ample opportunity to notice how badly it fit him AND making lie of the fact that it came at the 11th hour in place of some other outfit.

Just a nice couple white lies from way back when, while we wait for ‘Stupid Tranny Play!’ to stage.

 

[fax machine]

I'm unfollowing this thread, this is person is incredibly boring.

Tbh my Philosophy Tube observing experience is also like this:

But the slow burn is appealing in its own way. Olly has spent so many years building, oiling, piloting his little media machine, expecting it to work as it always has, to shower his mediocre hack ass with money and adoration until stardom falls upon him. He saw how the Internet ate up his peers. He's determined not to be destroyed like they were. So he's hopping around all the old cancellation landmines, utterly convinced that avoiding the negatives will keep him safe — and bleeding fans anyway because he fails to make a positive contribution to his scene.

It's karmically satisfying. I've been disturbed by his intellectual and emotional emptiness since the first PT video I watched nearly four years ago. It's funny now to see him believe his own unearned hype so hard that he gradually alienates the followers who raised him up. The day to day isn't all that interesting, but I'm in it for the delicious long arc.

and also for madness like this because lol. ALICE disparaging someone else's lies. OLLY condemning ignorance as if he doesn't deny facts whenever they clash with his narrative. Do they see themselves in the mirror? Have they ever considered their own credibility before tweeting? Are they capable of feeling shame?

Fascinating character questions!

 

[cia-log]

Tbh my Philosophy Tube observing experience is also like this:

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But the slow burn is appealing in its own way

agree with the comments calling this a dried up lolcow barely producing sour milk but I would never call any of this appealing. I would never tell anyone about this. Following this thread is my greatest shame.

 

[ink]

Throwback Thursday mf’s.
Cos Olly is a bore, producing tedious milk currently , I had a little read of some old pages and just noticed this.
Lmfao.
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It’s the same fucking dress.
Not only do we know exactly what he (and his giant face) looks like in it - it means he was wearing that ugly thing around the house? Ample opportunity to notice how badly it fit him AND making lie of the fact that it came at the 11th hour in place of some other outfit.

Just a nice couple white lies from way back when, while we wait for ‘Stupid Tranny Play!’ to stage.

First off, I like how he's talking about retouching that photo as if he's letting us in on some secret, like it isn't blindingly obvious that he's Lucille Bluthed it.

Secondly, now I'm wondering if that's also the same hideous dress he mentioned buying in that interview a few pages back, to test his troonness.

 

[fax machine]

agree with the comments calling this a dried up lolcow barely producing sour milk but I would never call any of this appealing. I would never tell anyone about this. Following this thread is my greatest shame.

Yet you're here, right? So there has to be some draw, some fascination. If not about Philosophy Tube the person, then about the surrounding Internet phenomena. I don't find anything of interest in the content he consciously produces, but the unconscious arrogance, selfishness, small-mindedness, the cruelty to his enemies (and even his friends!) while preaching compassion and understanding... that gets me because he's visibly sowing the seeds of his own downfall. Sign me up for a front row seat. I'm not ashamed.

No thread on the Farms appeals to my better angels, but on earth there are no angels, so whatever. Yes, I get a sick thrill out of watching this smug mfer self sabotage. Not my best moments. But there are worse ways to indulge a fascination with destruction — like, for instance, lighting a pitchfork and mobbing the sinner of the day for a minor crime. In comparison, gawking is just mean. I can be mean. I'll own that. I do think there's something uniquely appealing about watching a person who doesn't deserve what they have destroy their unearned good fortune, because they leave no room for the usual cancellation excuses: no my enemies had it out for me, I've been unfairly maligned, don't you see the powers that be are manipulating you against a friend, etc. If your fans slowly peel away, it's simply because YOU have failed to captivate them. I'm sure when the decline is undeniable, PT will spin it into blah blah transphobia misogyny ageism, but everyone else will see through it. They already do. Every r/Breadtube thread about a PT video these days contains criticisms of its philosophical shallowness and prioritization of the host's persona.

(I also don't talk to my friends irl about PT, but only because it's Internet nonsense — mystifying to anyone who hasn't personally suffered through his videos. And I don't like to make my friends suffer. Thankfully we've all chosen to suffer here together.)

oh no what if Devon faces the police for some reason and they can record that he's Assigned Male at Birth! my stars!! how terrible.

Everyone who disagrees with me is actually jealous and bitter: a thread. Why are there so many of these threads on Trans Twitter? Actually J.K. Rowling is a closeted trans man, actually Dave Chappelle is a chaser, actually you're just hating because I'm prettier and happier than you, actually cis is boring and trans is cool so there — case closed. They work so hard to drum up an aura of desire around themselves. That isn't the natural behavior of anyone who's actually, currently desired.

I can say for myself that I've loved being a woman (though if I woke up tomorrow in a male body I wouldn't transition — it isn't worth the health risk, and it wouldn't look right anyway). I was lucky to grow up in a family that didn't treat me any differently from my brothers. I've never experienced sexual violence or any harassment I couldn't deescalate. I'm not burdened by responsibilities beyond those expected from any functioning adult regardless of sex. And I've gotten to know and cherish women in a way that wouldn't have been the same were I a man. That's a gift.

"Joyful expression of femininity" lmao femininity is irrelevant. Honestly, I pity the fantastic shallowness of the womanhood they've imagined. If womanhood were just femininity — expression, performance — I might resent it for real. In actuality, I enjoy being a woman because I am one, not because I've romanticized the concept of woman into some great freedom from the prison cell of manhood.

definitely not men definitely not obsessed with masculinity definitely not simmering with resentment against anyone embodying the strength and courage and coolness they desire but can never achieve

 

[Swimminglanes]

Ok so it got boring and I unwatched but I found some lols for you.

Troon legal Twitter has been fascinating this week since the EHRC issued new guidelines confirming that legal provisions for single sex services did actually mean single sex. Funny that.

Jolyon Maugham was one of the first in with his now rather undermined legal prowess and so I have been watching his bloviating with amusement and who should pop up but the princess himself.

Jolyon is bleating about Boris Johnson's quite sensible and we'll briefed comments on Sky news this week.
Thorn of course knows better because the only people he listens to are other troons, all of whom have retreated into angry denial and are insisting that men have always been legally women. Yeah, insane but they are troons.



Here he is being slapped down for his blithe insouciance.

To cover up his red face he demands an update posh boy style.

Jolyon hilariously puts him in his place again.

So much willy waving.

For bonus lols the NHS are using the troons legal action on waiting times against them to tell them they won't deal with complaining troons. Suck it up boys.

 

[PennyAni]

another one with some funny takes, just after Troon Launch, while i'm at it

That was a nice little distraction last night. I especially loved this 100% spot-on comment:

TRAs have given up trying to get the normie on board and have moved on to 'shock and awe' (or at least the best approximation that befits their ineptitude).

Gender Ideology (at least the kind that allows AGPs to do whatever the fuck they want) is fully on the way to becoming a quasi state-religion in the English-speaking world, with Chloes and Aidens as both preachers and inquisition.

The belligerent troonjoons on any given multibillion-dollar tech platform are basically the Western version of the Saudi CPVPV , right down to the cocks in frocks.

Actually, I'm not sure is this was posted on this particular thread (if not it's buried somewhere on the Breadtube thread), but I really like term (they mention it at the 10:47 mark) 'tranny janny' into 'trannisary' (as in 'tranny jannisary') an militaristic caste composed of kidnapped children who, despite the valorisation of their rank, are barred from normal participation in civic life...fucking brilliant!

Yup, and this is basically what they're doing in the most recent Reddit thread about Olly's anti-dysphotia tweets. I've already engaged them way too much (also- I've noticed that aside from a few outliers like Joan, most if not all of the active posters left in that sub are trans women.)

The argument, as I've been made to understand it, starts on a spectrum of gender dysphoria denialism: anywhere from "gender dysphoria is part of the old diagnostic model that oppresses us and we want nothing to do with it" to "dysphoria is certainly a thing that exists, but right now we're trying to take a moment to celebrate who we are in a positive way and not be defined by our suffering!"
Which....I mean....crack on with that, I guess?

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so uh, what was all this noise for then? Were you just lying about it being a deadly condition or

My favorite part of this still remains watching a grown man dressed in women's clothes going into full-on diaper baby tantrum mode, complete with a Calliou-voiced "Why do we have to wait AT ALL?!" .....when talking about the fucking NHS.

I've slowly started to become aware of the fact that among TRA handmaidens, the most active, vexatious, and all-round unhinged are the ones who have already secretly peaked.

In learning to how to 'counter' TERF arguments, they ended up slowly agreeing with them, whilst when trying to internalise genderwoo they exposed themselves to how the sausage is made, so to speak, and realised that it's the lunatic AGP vanguard dictating the discourse all the way down.

Effectively, their attempts to remain faithfull to TRA arguments and throw their fellow women under the bus is a manifestation of them making their soul-rending cognitive dissonance everyone else's problem - just like REAL trans girls!

Fascinating theory. I think you're very much onto something. And do y'all think that this might explain some of Contra's particular arguments or tweets that have sounded *almost* based but have inevitably turned the Trans Interwebs against her over and over again?

NHS is super cagey when it comes to using medications off label. Spironolactone's intended use is for high blood pressure but US doctors often prescribe it for severe acne (troons also use it to lower testosterone). UK doctors will NOT prescribe it for acne even though it has been shown to be an effective treatment.

Often I will be browsing womens health subs and users will mention what they have been prescribed and a lot of those options are just not available to UK patients for the same ailments even though the medicine is available. Contrary to Ollys NHS worldview women dont get everything they desire even though it could actually boost their quality of life. Furthermore, to hear him crusade for trans "healthcare" and then throw up a tweet saying "haha dysphoria who, i feel happy " JFC dude pick a lane.

Apologies if I've mentioned this before on here....(I know I have on Reddit and within the next 10 or so years this is probably going to be a personal concern of mine whether we move back to the U.K. or stay in the U.S.)....but I have heard SO MANY English women- including my MiL and my SiL- lamenting the state of affairs wrt menopausal women being able to get HRT from the NHS. It's apparently something that is almost never simple and can be super fucking hard, if not impossible for some women. My English family are all working class, but I remember once that Caroline Hirons (who was in her late 40s/early 50s at the time I believe, and definitely a wealthy lady) made an Instagram basically screaming at the NHS that she didnt need Epsom salt baths or exercise or aromatherapy; she needed her "[expletive] drugs!" and it became a meme, seemingly encapsulating the frustration of so many women who were finding it very difficult to waltz into their GP's office and get the hormones they just "want" (according to Olly). Apparently Mumsnet also talks about this subject.

These newly "cracked" transwomen who've taken over PT's subreddit are insufferable.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Ok so it got boring and I unwatched but I found some lols for you.

Troon legal Twitter has been fascinating this week since the EHRC issued new guidelines confirming that legal provisions for single sex services did actually mean single sex. Funny that.

Jolyon Maugham was one of the first in with his now rather undermined legal prowess and so I have been watching his bloviating with amusement and who should pop up but the princess himself.

Jolyon is bleating about Boris Johnson's quite sensible and we'll briefed comments on Sky news this week.
Thorn of course knows better because the only people he listens to are other troons, all of whom have retreated into angry denial and are insisting that men have always been legally women. Yeah, insane but they are troons.

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Here he is being slapped down for his blithe insouciance.
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To cover up his red face he demands an update posh boy style.

Jolyon hilariously puts him in his place again.

So much willy waving.

For bonus lols the NHS are using the troons legal action on waiting times against them to tell them they won't deal with complaining troons. Suck it up boys.

'We issued when we said we did.'
Ouch.
Lol.
'So. Whens kick off?'
Olly has clearly been jostling to try and get himself brought in as an expert witness, I garun-fucking-tee it.

You are not on the team sheet Olly, you're not on this year's named squad due to (narcissistic) injury, you're not a ball boy, you're not even a mascot, you are one of these kids, and you're a liability.

every stupid, damaging thing you've said has been quietly noted and cringed at by the business end of Troonage, who see you for what you are- a self-promoting jonny-come-lately, who does harm.
I mean look at this 261 pages of people you've personally peaked in 1 year.

Tube the TERForger.

@PennyAni

Spoiler: tit skit info

basically, you just need to get a decent GP.
Go and register with a place, make an appointment, strike up a relationship with a Dr who seems decent; try a few Dr's at the practice til you find one you gel with, then with one whose preferably a woman, discuss your concerns in advance to make sure she'll be onboard so you dont get struck out of the blue and risk feeling awful for ages:

if it seems like the Dr's might be iffy, just register somewhere else; it doesnt cost, you're within your rights to change surgeries for whatever reason, it's not Dr shopping unless you're blatantly sniffing all round for codeine and valium.

if your fam here are working class, they will have had that typical thing of not wanting to be a bother to the Dr, not having the confidence to argue thier case.
Luckily my mam was a nurse so she knows how to talk to Dr's with an amount of authority, but i see it all the time with other relatives who didnt get that amount of education and darent advocate for themsleves or even share information confidently.

It will be fine, you just need to find a nice practice and GP, and get in ahead of time so you're prepared.

-RE the middle class mumsnetters having thier own problems- though I'm sure they have no trouble advocating for themselves, there is a certain type of (tbf, Olly etcs raving TERF stereotype) woman who will generally be clcoked by health professionals as 'the worried well' or basically just a bit entitled.
They might to be in every week for one thing or another, Little Sophia ‘has’ a wheat AND dairy AND nut allergy, and little Oliver must be one the spectrum’ because he’s occasionally rude and cba:
Basically i the middle class entitlement swinging too far in the other direction- If you just be a nice, normal cunt, with a good Doctor you should be good

 

[Shotgun Badger]

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Everyone who disagrees with me is actually jealous and bitter: a thread. Why are there so many of these threads on Trans Twitter? Actually J.K. Rowling is a closeted trans man, actually Dave Chappelle is a chaser, actually you're just hating because I'm prettier and happier than you, actually cis is boring and trans is cool so there — case closed. They work so hard to drum up an aura of desire around themselves. That isn't the natural behavior of anyone who's actually, currently desired.

I can say for myself that I've loved being a woman (though if I woke up tomorrow in a male body I wouldn't transition — it isn't worth the health risk, and it wouldn't look right anyway). I was lucky to grow up in a family that didn't treat me any differently from my brothers. I've never experienced sexual violence or any harassment I couldn't deescalate. I'm not burdened by responsibilities beyond those expected from any functioning adult regardless of sex. And I've gotten to know and cherish women in a way that wouldn't have been the same were I a man. That's a gift.

"Joyful expression of femininity" lmao femininity is irrelevant. Honestly, I pity the fantastic shallowness of the womanhood they've imagined. If womanhood were just femininity — expression, performance — I might resent it for real. In actuality, I enjoy being a woman because I am one, not because I've romanticized the concept of woman into some great freedom from the prison cell of manhood.

I'm not usually one to say projection, but honestly right here I think it is. Troons like Alice have a deep seated envy of their own about the ability of cis women to simply effortlessly be women with no additional steps required at all, no makeup, no clothing, no extraneous hormones or unnecessary surgery, just be women by dint of existing with a female body.

It reminds me of that brutal 4chan meme of Charlotte Clymer:

 

[behindyourightnow]

I can say for myself that I've loved being a woman (though if I woke up tomorrow in a male body I wouldn't transition — it isn't worth the health risk, and it wouldn't look right anyway). I was lucky to grow up in a family that didn't treat me any differently from my brothers. I've never experienced sexual violence or any harassment I couldn't deescalate. I'm not burdened by responsibilities beyond those expected from any functioning adult regardless of sex. And I've gotten to know and cherish women in a way that wouldn't have been the same were I a man. That's a gift.

"Joyful expression of femininity" lmao femininity is irrelevant. Honestly, I pity the fantastic shallowness of the womanhood they've imagined. If womanhood were just femininity — expression, performance — I might resent it for real. In actuality, I enjoy being a woman because I am one, not because I've romanticized the concept of woman into some great freedom from the prison cell of manhood.

I love being a woman in the sense of not being a man, but does it suck? Yes. In fact the experience of humanity for most people sucks. Life is pain! And a lot of what sucks for women in particular is directly connected to our biology (periods, potential unwanted pregnancies, harder to defend yourself physically, etc).

I think what most of these men are actually being told by women is "our experiences and problems as fellow humans are about the same currently, and I don't understand why you would choose to add on my particular problems (related to female biology) to your current burden."

Because most women recognize that anything else a male might want to do (wear a dress, paint their nails, etc) doesn't require "being a woman," so their mind goes straight to the biological stuff.

But troons interpret this reaction as women waking up sobbing every morning because they're female or something.

I think underneath it all is troons' inability to separate femininity from womanhood: they can't do this, because if they did their whole belief system would fall apart. So they have to imagine that TERFs are these dour bitches that don't want anyone to have any feminine fun and can't appreciate any aspect of their own femininity, not realizing that people who aren't poisoned by gender theory simply don't make the automatic "femininity = womanhood" connection, and just think "you want a uterus? why?"

 

[The Best of Me]

These newly "cracked" transwomen who've taken over PT's subreddit are insufferable.

I get that being trans is largely due to social contagion nowadays (well actually, it always has been, but in the good old days it functioned more like an underground cargo cult), but imagine having your 'egg cracked' by Olly.

FUCKING OLLY

Even amongst autistic AGP hikkikomori, that has to be a new level cringe.



Also I found this result on DuckDuckGo, and these shirts appear to have been made in 100% earnest (sadly the link to but them is dead)

 

[AfghanBlue]

Just noticed this one actually- I’m guessing it’s aimed at Tube as it tags him and has no bearing on what Jo whatsit says.

Tube is convinced that this would ALL have gone differently, if only he was Checkmarked .... .

 

[scathefire]

@PennyAni

That was a nice little distraction last night. I especially loved this 100% spot-on comment:

Raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for a sketchy charity and relying on the ignorance of the viewers is a far cry from "indisputably epic", but I'm guessing this is from /tttt/ so I'm not shocked. The statement at the bottom is completely true though.