Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[TheTrumanShow]

That was a flag of Ingushetia that he tore off with the ball btw.

I didnt even see that , haha. Oh man, and they all applaud anyway.
I guess I would do if I was in his fiefdom.

 

[76LD910]

Yeah but then you look at the Ruskies on this forum and they are not nearly as smug as some of the most ardent Ukranian supporters, lending credence to the fact that this wall of text you just shat out is pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo created to fit around your pre-determined views on Russians not vice versa.

In fact every single Russian poster here except maybe that guy with the black and white picture on his avatar of I think its Eraserhead movie has been very nuanced in their views of this whole matter.


Fuckwit.

A handful of people on an English language forum don't color my opinion of what are common Russian sentiments anymore than the handful of people who got arrested at anti-war protests or the few people cheering at the prospect of Ukraine being wiped out and annexed entirely. Your a fuckwit if you think this thread is representative of anyone's opinions outside of a small minority.

I'm basing my opinion on what I've heard for years from Russians themselves and from simple observations of how the people they ruled for decades feel about them.

 

[MrJokerRager]

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Trainload of Russian vehicles headed towards Donbass, featuring two Buhanka-chans.

All hail Buhanka Chan.

 

[TheTrumanShow]

A handful of people on an English language forum don't color my opinion of what are common Russian sentiments anymore than the handful of people who got arrested at anti-war protests or the few people cheering at the prospect of Ukraine being wiped out and annexed entirely. Your a fuckwit if you think this thread is representative of anyone's opinions outside of a small minority.

I'm basing my opinion on what I've heard for years from Russians themselves and from simple observations of how the people they ruled for decades feel about them.

Ahh right. I thought this was a heterogenous community of not so likeminded individuals overall but apparently in this instant, even this fact is of no regard so that you can fit your preconceived nonsense around your conclusions.

Surely you must have met hundreds of Russians that wished for all sorts of horrors in your long life as what, a travelling salesman in Russia?

 

[Simpadoo]

Akshually, the catholic and Orthodox churches have both agreed to stop calling each other heretics as part of the ecumenical detente.

Yes. It’s inconvenient when your leadership is heretical.

 

[BiggerChungus]

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Trainload of Russian vehicles headed towards Donbass, featuring two Buhanka-chans.

Clearly the only reason that train's coming in is because the Ghost of Kyiv just destroyed another 15,000 Russian vehicles yesterday. Ukraine's totally winning guys.

 

[That_Guy]

You may have seen of the Panzer of the Lake but have you seen this?

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Wonder if the reason it's buried so much is a partly-collapsed underground fuel tank. Going to be a fun fix if so, Have to remove the turret and any loose bits of reactive armor before the fuel tank could be dug up.

 

[DiabeticSP]

What's even the play if Russia holds onto its land bridge to Crimean oil when currently even China is distancing itself from buying Russian oil, Germany canceled the major pipelines, and the country's about to default on its loans and shit.

Like fine you fucked up a smaller nation and took some land to protect your oil interests because your economy is fucked and now its more fucked and nobody wants your oil.

And the rest of the world is laughing at your fuck ups, ruining your posturing that you've relied on since the cold War.

It's just such a massive all encompassing fuck up I just can't see how Russia spins this into a benefit unless they honestly think the EU will overlook things fast enough to not destroy the Russian economy with sanctions before they default.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Thanks for the great info. Seems Russia has retained much of the intergenerational/class strife of the USSR 30 years later.

Also the Medvedev point is actually quite important IMO. A lot of people saw him as just a puppet of Putin but if you look at his record his four years were probably the closest Russia got to joining the international order rather than trying to make their own- he basically came out and said that Russia had zero interest in any other countries joining NATO, it was there decision. He invaded Georgia but he was also a big part of the Russian "Reset" and wanted a relationship with the EU similar to Switzerland or Sweden.

The sunk-cost idea makes sense. The best counter to that from Western countries would be to try and push the idea that a replacement of Putin in favour of a more democratic regime would mean that a retreat wouldn't be a defeat and that the war is mainly against Putin, not Russia herself. Good luck getting the propaganda division to actually do that, though.

I think Libya is what is making Putin do what he is doing. Even the CIS is slowly moving West. The only country left he has that could guarantee safety and a powerbase if he was ever deposed in Belarus, and they don't like the sanctions. With Ukraine a hostile state, at this point Putin being removed from power would mean dying in a basement and probably zero offers of asylum elsewhere. We have to remember that Libya was mainly a rebellion, it won because of NATO/UN air-support, but they weren't doing the actual fighting. If the military actually rebelled (which seems at least a little bit plausible depending on whether reports are true or not) it wouldn't need outside help. NATO would probably sit as far back as possible in that situation to prevent a nuclear strike from something with absolutely nothing to lose.

"The Coup of '22" has a nice ring to it. Also, a nuclear strike was a bit of a concern when the USSR broke up but thankfully nothing came of it.

 

[76LD910]

Surely you must have met hundreds of Russians that wished for all sorts of horrors in your long life as what, a travelling salesman in Russia?

No, just Russians I've heard or interacted with personally online over the years in much larger numbers and in many more neutral/varied atmospheres than this thread.

My opinion of them is that you can broadly categorize the politics of the overwhelming majority of Russians who aren't totally apathetic towards any political position as either fully supportive of any actions taken by the goverment as long as they serve the often nebulous goal of righting some wrong some other people have done to Russia, or overtly hostile to the goverment to the degree their allowed to be and also often a low key degenerate/hedonist that reminds me of a hippy from the 90's or 2000's here in the US.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Very optimistic take. Even if Ukraine “wins”, it won’t be without a few thousand more dead. Same could be said for Russia, but that’s just war. I doubt Russia is going to want to stop unless they get some concessions too.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Very optimistic take. Even if Ukraine “wins”, it won’t be without a few thousand more dead. Same could be said for Russia, but that’s just war. I doubt Russia is going to want to stop unless they get some concessions too.
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Given the source, are we sure he even said any of that lol

 

[JambledUpWords]

Given the source, are we sure he even said any of that lol

The National Enquirer probably has more accurate takes than The Kyiv Independent, if I had to guess.

 

[DumbDude42]

Its only gay and retarded because your autistic ass cant empathize with human suffering.

there is no empathizing going on there, just performative virtue signaling for the cameras.
if you want to empathize with ukrainians, go contribute to relief efforts to help their refugees, they'll appreciate that a lot more than whatever this grotesque war crime victim larp is supposed to be.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Cover for a massive inferiority complex born from a century of catastrophic fuck ups on the part of Russian/Russophile leadership that left them underdeveloped, impoverished, oppressed and which sometimes got millions of them killed or outright murdered.

They must pretend all that actually wasn't that bad or else they would have to admit that either the last 4-5 generations of Russian people have chosen retarded leadership that reflects badly on themselves, or only slightly better have allowed themselves to be slaves to emperors/dictators/strongmen who's actions they had no control over.

Aside from downplaying how bad the past was the only palatable alternative is to blame foreigners for how bad it was, a tradition that still lives on today just as strong as ever. Think of post WW1 Germany with all their grievances about versailles and how easy it was for the German people to buy into the stab in the back mythology and what that led to, then imaging how bad the humiliation would have been if instead of the German empire coming to an end not at the outcome of enormously destructive war but after decades of stagnation and decay until finally ending pathetically without (almost) a single shot fired.

Than you have to factor in all of the people of their vassal states telling them exactly what they think of Russia as soon as they felt safe enough to do so rather than letting their revamped empire under the guise of the USSR die gracefully and you have some idea of what lurks behind the eyes of a Russian nationalist. As said above by someone else there's no middle ground at all in Russian society, if your not completely apathetic you either want Russian society to be reformed at its very roots or you fully except and believe every delusion about Russian greatness.

I mean the country is one of extremes if you go into the cities of Moscow or St Petersburg you will find the most pozzed places in Russia. If you go to let's say Grozny you get to see Islamic Russia and if you go to stevastipol you see another Russia.
Also if you think about the Death of Stalin movie it's really what British and American politics are like.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

there is no empathizing going on there, just performative virtue signaling for the cameras.
if you want to empathize with ukrainians, go contribute to relief efforts to help their refugees, they'll appreciate that a lot more than whatever this grotesque war crime victim larp is supposed to be.

He'd rather post macaroni paintings to Reddit for updoots to help ease the suffering of the war.

 

[cistendered]

Governor of Kharkiv has declared that Ukraine stronk, will not conduct organized evacuation of civilians. Homie heard about the $100m in expired munitions the US just shipped, and about the 63 pieces of 60 year old hardware from Czechia and knows that Ukrainian victory is guaranteed, they'll be in Moscow next Tuesday. He's definitely not thinking of what awesome atrocities they can fake with 1 million+ civilian hostages.

 

[Scipio Americanus]

I've always been of the opinion that soldiers, provided they don't commit acts of unnecessary brutality and abuse, are just as much victims as anyone else in any war. Most of them are regular joes who wanted to serve their country, and some of them are committed radicals who are willing to give their lives for their country. Actual sadists are a deep minority. Soldiering is a respectable profession provided that those who practice it do so honorably, and I uphold that position as a matter of principle.

That being said, and I'm sure this has probably been mentioned to death already, but I am absolutely floored by how Twittards and Redditroons talk about this war. These are people who sperg out over pronouns and weep and moan and engage in "activism" every time a dindu-nuffin Basketball American gets clapped by a police officer. You'd think that these people, on a surface level, would have a more nuanced and humanist take on this. I think Russia is deeply in the wrong in waging this war, and has been in the wrong since when this conflict started in 2014. But from a surface-level perspective it's really surprising to see how much hatred there is towards people whose only decision, as far as we know, was to serve their country. This applies to the West when it comes to dead Russian soldiers, and this applies to Russia when it comes to Ukrainian soldiers. War criminals deserve to have their crimes repaid with interest, and the fallen who did their duty honorably deserve to be respected. The common soldier should not be a conduit for people's frustrations with the actions of a select few.

I like to shitpost, but deep down this war is sad as hell and I hope that the people suffering from it find peace.

 

[draggs]

Did Putin fuck you in the ass with no lube or something? I thought you people usually stop clucking in the morning after a long night of posting on Twitter about Ukrainian military victories.

Red Forest is a nothingburger, by the way. I find it hilarious that people seriously believe that Russians don't know about Chernobyl.

I can't stop won't stop koo koo klucking about the world's biggest nigger Putin

After 8 years of occupying Crimea and half of Donbass he decides them Nazi hohols gotta be stopped from opressern muh fellow Russkis right now

It's just bullshit

Muh opprassed volk is exactly what bigger stronger countries used to say to excuse attacking smaller weaker countries until the Slavs in the Balkans pre-WW1 and then the Nazis made it too embarrassing to say that so they had to come up with better sounding excuses like muh preemptive war against a true and honest threat definitely not fake and gay trust us

Now where have I heard that one before

 

[TheTrumanShow]

No, just Russians I've heard or interacted with personally online over the years in much larger numbers and in many more neutral/varied atmospheres than this thread.

My opinion of them is that you can broadly categorize the politics of the overwhelming majority of Russians who aren't totally apathetic towards any political position as either fully supportive of any actions taken by the goverment as long as they serve the often nebulous goal of righting some wrong some other people have done to Russia, or overtly hostile to the goverment to the degree their allowed to be and also often a low key degenerate/hedonist that reminds me of a hippy from the 90's or 2000's here in the US.

Nonesense. They were the only people in the world that got tired enough of shooting at the other guy at the border to overthrow their government while the French and Germans at most shared a Christmas with each other before they continued blasting.

The Russian political movement that assassinated Aleksander III was an anarchist one closely associated with the Narodniki movement, one that wished for the Russian people to go back to simple, basic life. Independent and full of struggle, as far away from a hedonist as you can get.

And what ever you want to say about Navalny the man has gone through a terrible amount of personal suffering to it ever beinig about self indulgence.


Your views are skewed, theres probably no point in talking to you as youve made your mind up. You know nothing yet you think you know everything. Youre the opposite of wise.