US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[XYZpdq]

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Republicans Trolling Biden.

even if the GOP growing at least half a ball goes nowhere at least there's been a good run of shitposting from it

 

[Getting tard comed]

I think some of you are confused here about the student loans

The schools that got the loans don't care, as they already got paid so it means nothing to them except maybe even more students in long the run as if you never have to pay off your student loans more kids will end up going.

The banks also don't care as student loans are all (well 99%) underwritten by a government agency ( department of education to be exact) so they still get paid as well.

So if Biden "forgives" the loans what exactly happens?

Well you pay for them.

You the tax payer. As it is the US government that is ultimately held accountable for the loans. So when Biden says he's going to "forgive" student loans what he really means is that the US government will pay out the loans as per normal to the banks who then pays out to the schools but the people who took out the loans won't be asked to pay them back. So that 1.8 Trillion dollars just comes out of the US Governments yearly budget.

Biden just can't wave his pen and say everything is good, the money has to come from somewhere and it comes from you, the US taxpayer.

So each time you see some poor proggie says we need to forgive students loans what you really need to see is that YOU need to pay back the loans FOR those people with your tax dollars.

It's all in the language. The left is a true master at the art of obfuscating true meaning by using wordplay.

Thanks for explaining it. I still think it's a price worth paying to allow for young adults to move on to the next phase of life. Hopefully it would lead to less people actually going
The fed needs to stop proving up the system, it has led to overinflated costs.

All that said, I understand people's aversion to having their taxes paying for other people's lack of foresight/effort/whatever you wanna call it. They are going to spend 1.8tril anyway, spending it for the benefit of the people vs enriching their friends would be a net benefit imo.

 

[Echo_Ender]

I love those fucking "I did that!" Biden stickers.

People keep putting them everywhere. Gas pumps, out of stock store shelves, mask requirement signs, ect.

And I think they're working, somehow. I've seen even some left-leaning folks see these on gas pumps and say "I never thought I'd say it, but I miss the orange dumbass' ecomony..."

 

[Here Comes Mongo]

Spoiler: "How I got red pilled" sperg, mild PL within

]A little late and gay, but what red pilled me was the fact my entire family was (and is) Republicans, I started working more blue collar jobs that lean traditionally R, and the kill pill, so to speak, was the Summer of Love.

In 2018, I was a Dem-voting, bleating sheep that thought Dems good R's bad. Fell into the trap of not listening to any opposing arguments and just assuming they were brainwashed. I started finally looking at the other sides points, and even conceded a few of them, but was still like "agree to disagree".

Then I realized how everything I accused Fox News of doing to R's, CNN and almost every other media outlet was doing to me. Seeing how Fenty Floyd was being made into a saint even when his crimes were brought to light, and the news gaslighting me that I had to both be Uber afraid of Covid but people were allowed to protest and set cities on fire (but they're mostly peaceful!) made it so I never could trust any news outlet ever again.

At this point, I basically get my news from here. Sperging and faggotry-edgy quips every now and then in the comments aside (which, come on, kiwis gonna kiwi), at least you're getting the news from a relative straight source and when people who know their shit like Gehenna, Drain Todger, et al. chime in, you tend to learn something.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

Mine was oddly late night talk radio during the Obama years. Prior I didn't care about politics and held lightly non-examined vague lefty beliefs about tax programs and what have you. I had to drive home ~30 minutes at 3 in the morning from a board game night weekly, and music didn't cut it for keeping me alert. So I changed the station until I hit people talking. The tipping point was a radio show with some feminist on. This bitch hated men. Stated proudly that financial aid basically belonged exclusively to women, men "had their turn screwing things up", every bit the vile hag you hear stereotyped. I had to look up this fringe loon when I got home. She was the head of the National Organization for Women. The cracks spiderwebbed out from there. Oh. Ohhhhh. They're ALL like this. Holy shit.

 

[Least Concern]

For me it was the Killian Memos. I was in college when that happened… but I bet some of you are young enough that you don't even remember that incident even if you're not so young as to not be alive when it happened.

The tl;dr is that while Dubya was president, some docs were dropped by Dan Rather of CBS News which were supposedly written by officers over Dubya while he was in the Air Force in 1972 basically going over what a fuck-up he was but he couldn't be kicked out because his daddy was a politician.

Now these documents were supposedly typed up by a typewriter, but there was a big, obvious problem; the text was written in a proportional-width font rather than a fixed-width one. A proportional font is one where the characters can have different widths, so, for example, an uppercase W is much wider than a lowercase L. For a fixed-width or monospaced one, all the characters are the same width. Except for some very rare exceptions, all typewriters ever created used fixed-width fonts due to the mechanical nature in which they work; creating documents in proportional fonts (outside of print shops) only became practical after the PC revolution. Similarly, the document used superscript characters with a smaller size than the normal characters, something else simple to do on PCs but impractical and/or impossible to do on a typewriter.

This discrepancy was discovered online instantly, and this GIF of the "original" document being compared to one created in Microsoft Word on its default settings was spread widely:

Nonetheless, Dan Rather and CBS News stood by these obviously fraudulent documents for a couple weeks. Later, an investigation revealed that internal fact-checkers had raised awareness of the issues with the document, but Rather and others at CBS were so in love with the idea of the documents being real that they went ahead with the story anyway. This event pretty much ended the once-respected Rather's career and rightfully so. Here's a non-Wikipedia article about it if you want to see more.

So I was already jaded by the time GamerGate rolled around, but that really drove the point home.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

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On a flight into Denver, the person next to me remarked "Isn't it neat how they plant some fields in circles?" Because I have zero social skills nor chill I proceeded to explain the concept of irrigated farming and what a center pivot was. This retard can't even figure out rectangular fields.

 

[tehpope]

For me, GG started it but the fallout from Trump being elected solidified it.

 

[potato in mah painus]

Spoiler: "How I got red pilled" sperg, mild PL within

]A little late and gay, but what red pilled me was the fact my entire family was (and is) Republicans, I started working more blue collar jobs that lean traditionally R, and the kill pill, so to speak, was the Summer of Love.

In 2018, I was a Dem-voting, bleating sheep that thought Dems good R's bad. Fell into the trap of not listening to any opposing arguments and just assuming they were brainwashed. I started finally looking at the other sides points, and even conceded a few of them, but was still like "agree to disagree".

Then I realized how everything I accused Fox News of doing to R's, CNN and almost every other media outlet was doing to me. Seeing how Fenty Floyd was being made into a saint even when his crimes were brought to light, and the news gaslighting me that I had to both be Uber afraid of Covid but people were allowed to protest and set cities on fire (but they're mostly peaceful!) made it so I never could trust any news outlet ever again.

At this point, I basically get my news from here. Sperging and faggotry-edgy quips every now and then in the comments aside (which, come on, kiwis gonna kiwi), at least you're getting the news from a relative straight source and when people who know their shit like Gehenna, Drain Todger, et al. chime in, you tend to learn something.

The worst part is, you are forced to keep that contained because %99 of the things talked about here (formally on 4chan, reddit, and voat) are taboo in public spheres now.

Boy I remember the days of "gas the jews" and "hitler did nothing wrong" as being the most heinous things you could say and now its just about anything that the status que doesn't like.

 

[b0x]

I know Snowden and GG was what woke my ass up.

Luckily I was pretty young when Gamergate happened. I knew the gaming industry inside out, and when they didn't come bat for the consumer when we were obviously in the right, it exposed that the industry wasn't only kinda corrupt, like we thought, it was fully corrupt. Entire gaming developers and publishers and media outlets were telling gamers they were nothing but racist misogynistic rapists, even when asian gamer girls were challenging them. It was an epiphany that all institutions aren't faceless impartial arbiters, they are filled with humans with their own failings, greed, lust, envy, and they will drive people off a cliff if they think they will profit from it, monetarily, or socially.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Today Tucker decided to talk about the RINO question.

This meme always fits when it comes to the press:

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I still remember after Just Cause I saw a NYT paper talking about how US forces hit a hospital deliberately with an artillery shell, "bombing helpless civilians and non-combatants" and talking about how it was a war crime.

Funny thing. The picture was REALLY zoomed in, making it seem like the entire front of the hospital was destroyed.

In reality, the Panamanian Defense Forces had a machinegun nest in one room of the hospital. Some ne're-do-well US Army trooper fired a single 40mm HEDP grenade from an M203 and destroyed the machinegun nest.

The NYT printed their retraction on some shit like page 30.

For another one:

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You've all seen this picture in history class and online.

Here is the original AP byline that is still printed in some textbooks:


Want the truth?

The man being executed is a North Vietnamese Army officer who ran death squads in South Vietnam.

Lém was in civilian clothes and was alleged to have just cut the throats of South Vietnamese lieutenant colonel Nguyễn Tuan, his wife, their six children, and the officer's 80-year-old mother.

His death squads killed over 200 people in less than a year, including American civilians.

To further it, the press stood right there, at the end of the Tet Offensive, which was a military DISASTER for North Vietnam, and declared "The war is now unwinnable" when, if the US forces had pushed it, could have rolled the North Vietnamese military all the way to Ho Chi Min City and defeated them within 2 years.

The press has lied so many times, about so many things, including supposed war crimes (Remember the video of that Marine kicking the Arab prisoner in the face in Iraq? How long did it take for the press to admit they'd doctored the footage so you couldn't see that Arab came up with a pistol and that's why he got kicked in the jaw?) and even more.

From the supposed "Chemical weapons used on Vietnam" to the "Bush Records" to plenty of other shit, the press lies their fucking asses off constantly, usually in the service of whatever will hurt America the most.

The press are a weird bunch of cunts lol.

Yes bomb these sand niggers or gooks but make sure you do it without us seeing it.

Yeah the press lied in Vietnam but to be fair, Vietnam was a war started on lies and bullshit and the end result was never to "liberate" Vietnam but keep South Vietnam alive and stop communism spreading through the "Domino" theory. The entire war itself was bullshit and no wonder in the end, it was all for nothing because Vietcongs were never a threat to America.

For the wars since the first gulf war, majority of the time it was cheerleading for missile strikes and bombings and then acting outraged when holy shit, those bombings well kill people.

I can't imagine any US soldier shooting for the lulz and having fun like those Chechens being caught on camera, without some cunt at the NYTimes being butthurt over how dare they celebrate shooting people, when that is what they are supposed to do.

The press are there to keep forever wars ongoing since they are bankrolled by corporations who want quiet long ongoing wars, remember how much Trump was opposed when he tried to end the farce in Afghanistan early and then got super duper butthurt when Biden decided to pull it off in the most lulziest way possible. I don't even know who to blame over for the Afghanistan withdrawal in the long run since it wasn't just Biden but his cabal and the press and the top military brass and glow niggers and NGOs that all played a big role in the epic fuckup for the lulz.

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

Kenosha elected a Republican-backed county executive for the first time since 1998, flipping the county. Now, the office is officially non-partisan, but it serves as a small indicator that things are changing on a small level, with the memory of what happened less than 2 years ago fresh in peoples' minds. Whether more counties affected by the riots start to turn red will be another question.

It's happening even in big blue cities. Seattle elected a Republican for city attorney. Granted that had a lot to do with the bog-standard progressive incumbent getting primaried out by a total bat-shit insane Antifa member, who was so out there that even Seattle liberals couldn't stomach it, but a self-declared Republican getting voted to any office in Seattle would have been unthinkable a few years ago.

Spoiler: Red pill journey since we're doing it

I grew up in a liberal family and came of political age around the turn of the millennium. 9/11, Iraq War and the GWoT, Patriot Act, DHS, TSA, and the last hurrah of the Evangelicals as a major political force all combined with my background to shape my political attitudes as a liberal skeptical of government power. Then Obama gets elected: hope and change, first Black (well, "Black") man as President, it's going to be different now! Nope, it was business as usual, except this time the media is completely ignoring the same things they constantly criticized Dubya for, and even for scandals that would have probably got Dubya impeached in his second term if he did them.

If I had to point to one event that flipped me it was probably the ousting of Brendan Eich from Mozilla for donating to the CA Prop 8 campaign. It was already pretty well known in tech circles that Eich had done that, but he also very private about his personal views, so to see them suddenly care about this donation once he was getting considered for CEO made it clear to me that it was nothing but a power play, not out of any kind of principle. If that can happen to someone that prominent and visible, they can certainly do it to a nobody like me. And what's more, I found it completely useless to debate with liberals about this. Even trying to frame it in the opposite situation, for example as a liberal getting fired for donating to Planned Parenthood, was futile. That was just a few months before Gamergate, so by the time that happened I already knew exactly what the response was going to be. <insert Empire of Dust GIF>

15 years ago I could not have envisioned how different the two parties would look today. If you had told me that the Republicans would have a major faction that was almost indistinguishable from my own positions at the time, except a bit more socially conservative, I would have wanted some of what you were smoking.

 

[Kane Lives]

It's happening even in big blue cities. Seattle elected a Republican for city attorney. Granted that had a lot to do with the bog-standard progressive incumbent getting primaried out by a total bat-shit insane Antifa member, who was so out there that even Seattle liberals couldn't stomach it, but a self-declared Republican getting voted to any office in Seattle would have been unthinkable a few years ago.

Spoiler: Red pill journey since we're doing it

I grew up in a liberal family and came of political age around the turn of the millennium. 9/11, Iraq War and the GWoT, Patriot Act, DHS, TSA, and the last hurrah of the Evangelicals as a major political force all combined with my background to shape my political attitudes as a liberal skeptical of government power. Then Obama gets elected: hope and change, first Black (well, "Black") man as President, it's going to be different now! Nope, it was business as usual, except this time the media is completely ignoring the same things they constantly criticized Dubya for, and even for scandals that would have probably got Dubya impeached in his second term if he did them.

If I had to point to one event that flipped me it was probably the ousting of Brendan Eich from Mozilla for donating to the CA Prop 8 campaign. It was already pretty well known in tech circles that Eich had done that, but he also very private about his personal views, so to see them suddenly care about this donation once he was getting considered for CEO made it clear to me that it was nothing but a power play, not out of any kind of principle. If that can happen to someone that prominent and visible, they can certainly do it to a nobody like me. And what's more, I found it completely useless to debate with liberals about this. Even trying to frame it in the opposite situation, for example as a liberal getting fired for donating to Planned Parenthood, was futile. That was just a few months before Gamergate, so by the time that happened I already knew exactly what the response was going to be. <insert Empire of Dust GIF>

15 years ago I could not have envisioned how different the two parties would look today. If you had told me that the Republicans would have a major faction that was almost indistinguishable from my own positions at the time, except a bit more socially conservative, I would have wanted some of what you were smoking.

To be fair to that Seattle "Republican" attorney, wasn't she liberal as fuck, but joined the red team to spite the cunts running the city? No conservative, that's for sure.

 

[Trianon]

I've always been Republican but had brief bouts of trying to have discussions with liberals and be more centrist. I would say Michael Brown and Gabbie Giffords were big turning points for me against the media and the entire prospect of convincing people they were wrong. The Giffords shooting narrative was blaming Sarah Palin for using a vaguely plus-shaped symbol on a graphic that they interpreted as a gun sight. The shooting didn't even have anything to do with someone politically disaffected; he was just a nutcase. But in both those cases, the media never admitted they got it wrong. I guess I could almost understand them throwing away their neutrality during an election, but when I saw them report on real violence, either condoning it or smearing innocent people with it, I knew they were completely worthless.

 

[CharlesBarkley]

Thanks for explaining it.

isn’t a ton of student loans from private loaners? Like, I thought a ton of loans today were financed by various prosper like entities.

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

To be fair to that Seattle "Republican" attorney, wasn't she liberal as fuck, but joined the red team to spite the cunts running the city? No conservative, that's for sure.

In 2020 she ran as a Republican for Lieutenant Governor. She got the most votes of any Republican in the primary, but since Washington has a retarded top-2 primary system like California's, the two Democrats who got more votes both advanced to the general. Seattle city races are non-partisan, and Washington has no party registration, so calling her a Republican is based on the identification she made in that race. She's definitely more liberal than the average Republican, but in Seattle, thinking that we should lock up violent criminals to keep law-abiding citizens safe is considered a conservative position.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Now these documents were supposedly typed up by a typewriter, but there was a big, obvious problem; the text was written in a proportional-width font rather than a fixed-width one. A proportional font is one where the characters can have different widths, so, for example, an uppercase W is much wider than a lowercase L. For a fixed-width or monospaced one, all the characters are the same width. Except for some very rare exceptions, all typewriters ever created used fixed-width fonts due to the mechanical nature in which they work; creating documents in proportional fonts (outside of print shops) only became practical after the PC revolution. Similarly, the document used superscript characters with a smaller size than the normal characters, something else simple to do on PCs but impractical and/or impossible to do on a typewriter.

That whole affair was how I learned what kerning is.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Since we're doing the confession-of-faith schtick, for me it was an early 90s episode of Watchdog, an investigative journalism show that tended to focus on consumer affairs. Rogue traders, scammers, that sort of thing. It was usually a mixture of in-depth mini-documentaries about the intended target, ambush interviews, and Anne Robinson's incredibly slow wink at the end. All good stuff, until the day they covered a business I was intimately familiar with and proceeded to drag its owner through the muck, accusing him of things that were simply impossible and portraying his incredulous responses and demands to be left alone - after a prolonged harassment campaign on their part - as proof of his and his company's guilt. Window fitter. Did a profit share with his workers before it was fashionable to boast about such things. They killed his business stone dead with their lies. I thought to myself, literally, if they could casually lie about such a small thing, at what point would they tell the truth?

 

[Nypical Haterade Comment]

Spoiler: My redpill since it’s kind of long

My Redpilling started with GG, but then moved onto the rest of the media when I noticed descrepencies with how they reported Trump’s rally’s. I was undecided, so I would watch Hillary’s rallies (which were few and far between if memory serves me.) and Trump’s. I found that Trump had points that I agreed with despite having a few that I didn’t. But whenever I would see reports of his rallies, the news would either not mention his better points, or blatantly misinterpret them. But even at this point I still had a little faith.

When he was elected, I remember naively thinking that surely they would start reporting honestly now that he’s in office. But then they just kept misreporting and outright lying. I thought that was the breaking point, I thought I couldn’t trust the media less than I already did… but then the Covington Catholic incident happened. I saw that the news was still peddaling the narrative despite people finding the livestream that gave context to the whole situation. They never retracted and only ever doubled down. I didn’t know it was possible to have negative trust in something but now it’s at the point where if the media reports something, I assume the opposite.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

The laptop thing reminded of that other thing from a couple weeks ago where some guy associated with Steve Bannon declared on twitter that he had evidence of something big and was waiting until the end of the week to release it. It was supposed to cause the end of civilization or something, as the population wouldn't be able to handle the sheer horrifying truth.