Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Spicey McHaggis]

With all the turrets we've seen blown sky high, I had to chuckle at this one.

 

[kuuu]

Uh, what?

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Typical yurocentric bureaucrat that follows set agenda while wiggling like a snake on a hot platter.
Serbia had these for a while I think. It seems that every time they had to choose a side they resorted to some variant of current scenario.
It's kinda understandable tho. Just gotta look at the map. They are in a hostage position if anything.
Seems like I've just echoed everyone elses sentiment. It's that obvious.

 

[Pork Packer]

With all the turrets we've seen blown sky high, I had to chuckle at this one.

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Christ almighty the post-russia-clusterfuck shitshow is gonna be brootal for the arms industry.

Everyones gonna try to corner the market on "cheap effective shit that will rip apart the shit your dumb neighbor bought from russia last year" and we are gonna see some nasty turf wars break out in industry conventions

 

[UVB-76]

The Kiev shit was never anything beyond a feint to distract the Ukrainians

And I win fights by blocking fists with my face.

Just consider that the Russians committed roughly the same amount of troops to Kiev as they did to Mariupol, Kiev being a city of over 3 million and Mariupol being a city of around 500,000.

It was a special operation.
It has now devolved into a war against a dug in opponent.
In a context of a special operation, those numbers would have been enough. They were supposed to have invaded a country with a decapitated command, but misses and duds in their initial strikes luckily allowed Ukraine to react. There was also the territorial defense units which came in contact with the VDV air assault at Hostomel, delaying the capture until the next day and ending up with a heavily damaged airfield.
It was a high risk high reward move that would go on the history books had it worked, and it could have worked. But the die were cast and they rolled snake eyes.
The number of troops being rationalized under the context of dragged out conventional war can't be applied to spec ops.

 

[Pork Packer]

I don't really see the point in autoloaders on tanks at all tbh. Most of them are slower than a human loader, and they certainly add more cost to the tank both in terms of production and maintenance.

Well they do add extra shrapnel to turn the terrified inhabitants of the tank into pierogi meat so that is a definite advantage for humanity

 

[K-Hole]

No matter how bad things get. There is always food. And restaurants.

Reality, the kind where a kinetic bomb drops on your head, is just a state of mind, it might not happen yet. Why worry about the future that might not happen? Be happy. Eat well.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2022/mar/27/jay-rayner-restaurant-review-queens-wine-bar-liverpool-a-very-nice-time-indeed

https://archive.ph/It5xX

You see, it's just how you look at. Look at it differently!

The person who wrote this article?

Wines from £18?

 

[LeChampion1992]

The NATO weaponry the Ukrainians have gotten has mostly been old shit these countries were dumping, some like the Czechs who just sent them soviet tanks from the 70's. Also, saying they've failed on every level to win the war is just wrong and detached from reality.. They've destroyed the vast majority of Mariupol's forces and are preparing to do the same in the Donbas which is where the majority of Ukraine's forces are.
The Kiev shit was never anything beyond a feint to distract the Ukrainians and keep them from reinforcing the troops in the Donbas by forcing them to spread their forces thin to guard too many areas. Remember the supposed imminent naval invasion of Odessa a few weeks ago? The one that never happened. Just consider that the Russians committed roughly the same amount of troops to Kiev as they did to Mariupol, Kiev being a city of over 3 million and Mariupol being a city of around 500,000.
It's really obvious that they were never trying to capture Kiev with that force, there was very little fighting around there, it's just what the western media was focusing on instead of the Donbas and Mariupol where the actual fighting was happen.

I mean that's a cope that they were not trying to take Kyiv. You don't bomb and constantly send in batallions worth of fighters and trucks just to back off and say sorry guys we weren't serious. This thing turned into a bargin operation Barbarossa. Also you're right is should have not said at every level. But at almost every level what can go wrong has gone wrong for the Russian military. I'm a firm believer in Murphy's law they had great success in the areas near the sea of Azoz and marupol and in the Donbass region the jury is still out on.

I don't agree that Russia has failed to win at every level, after all the southern front is going well for them. But I don't buy one bit Kyiv, and at this point the entire northeastern front, was a feint or a ruse. I believe taking Kyiv was in truth the primary objective, a Plan A, and now they're going for a landbridge to Crimea and Donbass, which is obviously a massive reduction in their war goals.

Russia thought either A.) A significant portion of Ukrainians outside of Donbass would be pro-Russia even after the invasion and take up arms or at least provide a distraction for Ukraine or B.) RUSSIA STRONK and will crush Ukraine's military

What we've been seeing the past week is Russia admitting that it won't be able to achieve the total victory it hoped for, and is now looking at the only front with any significant success to wrap things up there, get a peace treaty or ceasefire, and go home to show the homefront something resembling a victory.

I misspoke about Russia failing at every level. I'll use less hyperbole but looking at this war I am a firm believer that murphies law is still relevant.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

I don't really see the point in autoloaders on tanks at all tbh. Most of them are slower than a human loader, and they certainly add more cost to the tank both in terms of production and maintenance.

The theoretical advantage is that they free up a crewmember that can then be used somewhere else. In practice though, it has its own issues. For starters you have one less guy to do crew level maintenance, increasing the burden on the remaining crew. Plus all the shit you mentioned.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

I don't really see the point in autoloaders on tanks at all tbh. Most of them are slower than a human loader, and they certainly add more cost to the tank both in terms of production and maintenance.

Jamal has a higher initial loading speed but gets tired after a while, the robot is slightly slower but won't get tired and will keep up a sustained rate of fire.

 

[Pork Packer]

I have a joke.

What was the last thing to go through the russian tank commander's mind?

The Autoloader

 

[DumbDude42]

why not just make the tank cannon full auto
what could go wrong

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Right so thats why they wasted a fuckload of men and equipment and had their conscripts digging trenches in the red forest among other antics. Also im pretty sure i memba see you talking about how grim and horrible the battle for kyiv was gonna be a couple weeks ago...

Ya know there isnt any shame in just admitting "putin didnt actually plan for actual fighting in his invasion and just assumed everyone would surrender immidiately", a lot of people made the same mistake of assuming this on both sides, and it beats the hell out of trying to spin an embarrasing clusterfuck within an embarrasing clusterfuck as some masterstroke of military genious

There's also no shame in admitting you feel for bullshit western propaganda. If I actually believed what you said and that I was wrong I would say it, I don't because it's not congruent with reality. And also yes in order to successfully convince your enemy that you are going to attack a position you actually have to commit men and equipment to that position.

 

[mr.moon1488]

I have a joke.

What was the last thing to go through the russian tank commander's mind?

The Autoloader

You know both sides are mostly using the same tanks right?

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

why not just make the tank cannon full auto
what could go wrong

It wouldn't have enough ammo to be fun, which as we know is the most important rule of warfare.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

I mean that's a cope that they were not trying to take Kyiv. You don't bomb and constantly send in batallions worth of fighters and trucks just to back off and say sorry guys we weren't serious. This thing turned into a bargin operation Barbarossa. Also you're right is should have not said at every level. But at almost every level what can go wrong has gone wrong for the Russian military. I'm a firm believer in Murphy's law they had great success in the areas near the sea of Azoz and marupol and in the Donbass region the jury is still out on.

Bombing doesn't mean you are trying to storm a city, they've bombed Lviv and other targets in the west and they certainly haven't put land forces there. There was no storming of Kiev, it was never attempted, all they did was put forces outside of the city, they were never repelled.

 

[White_N]

I'm no lawyer, but it seems the law is at work here.

 

[Disheveled Human]

There's also no shame in admitting you feel for bullshit western propaganda. If I actually believed what you said and that I was wrong I would say it, I don't because it's not congruent with reality. And also yes in order to successfully convince your enemy that you are going to attack a position you actually have to commit men and equipment to that position.

I mean that is one idea, another is they thought they could take the capitol (breaking the chain of command is a game changer) but realized they were in over their head and retreated. The retreat from their position is not an error, the error occurred by using Belarus as a forward base of operations to push into Kyiv from the north it was clearly too ambitious.

 

[Pork Packer]

Bombing doesn't mean you are trying to storm a city, they've bombed Lviv and other targets in the west and they certainly haven't put land forces there. There was no storming of Kiev, it was never attempted, all they did was put forces outside of the city, they were never repelled.

No, they "left as a peace offering and just happened to leave a trail of burned out vehicles, abandoned equipment, and extremely dead soldiers behind them"

Truly the most noble way an army can withdraw from a successful feint.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

I'm no lawyer, but it seems the law is at work here.
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No, I think we're just dealing with concentrated autism at this point.

 

[Pork Packer]

What fucking meatgrinder are you talking about? What I said was they were feinting that they were going to storm Kiev and Odessa. I can tell you struggle with English but a feint is when you pretend like you are going to attack but you actually don't.

Im pretty sure I saw this tactic in a kung fu documentary