The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Kenya Jones]

I should have had an abortion when I got pregnant with SSJ_Ness

 

[Lurker]

Just a reminder that:

@SSj_Ness is a thrice ban-evading incel known as @Eris-chan who stalks the abortion thread and parrots the exact same talking points as Eris-chan. Also people make fun of him behind his back and it's hilarious.

@Zero Day Defense is also an incel who is abusive to women and uses their misfortunes as a way to demean and humiliate them. He also can't handle bants and will actually put you on this ignore list like the pathetic impotent child he is.

 

[Kenya Jones]

Just a reminder that:

@SSj_Ness is a thrice ban-evading incel known as @Eris-chan who stalks the abortion thread and parrots the exact same talking points as Eris-chan. Also people make fun of him behind his back and it's hilarious.

@Zero Day Defense is also an incel who is abusive to women and uses their misfortunes as a way to demean and humiliate them. He also can't handle bants and will actually put you on this ignore list like the pathetic impotent child he is.

To be fair, a lot of people will use the same talking points. It's very hard to have a different opinion when you aren't as smart as others.

 

[Haint]

People are nasty and, shit everywhere. Why do you want more of them around?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Just a reminder that:

@SSj_Ness is a thrice ban-evading incel known as @Eris-chan who stalks the abortion thread and parrots the exact same talking points as Eris-chan. Also people make fun of him behind his back and it's hilarious.

I know you're just insisting that I'm someone else because you think it triggers me, but the fact is the only thing we share is a common view, that abortion is wrong. Guess everybody pro-life is Feetloaf.

However, I'll indulge you a bit more. I finally looked through his post history. He said shit I'd never say, like:

make friends in real life not online retard

im too high to read this right now

You cannot become friends with a mentally ill person. They are not capable of being your friend.

I think online friends are fine, I'm against drugs, and I don't know how someone could suggest a mentally ill person is incapable of friendship (unless it's a severe mental illness).

Also, he had some bizarre gimmick of posting grotesque feet shaped food that make me sick just to look at. If anything, what bothers me is not the ban evasion, muh incel, and religious zealot accusations--but the fact that I'm being pegged as someone with a weird foot/food fetish. That's a bit irksome, but have at it, I suppose.

 

[Niggaplease]

"Stupid pro-lifer, advocating against your interests. You don't want to pay to have kids killed in utero but you want to pay for them if they have congenital defects? Isn't your whole thing not wanting to pay taxes, or something?"

My first instinct was to say "holy shit, you have no theory of mind".

My second instinct was to make myself straight on the concept:

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its scientifically proven inbreeding can causes congential disorders, its scientifically proven that 12 year olds can have their health negatively impacted by pregnancy. call me cold but if I 12 year old got preggers from an incestous rape, then the morally correct decision is to provide and out for said 12 year. I much rather have my taxes go to abortions than well fare, and I don't care if you consider that baby killing you incel edgelord.

 

[gang weeder]

Just a reminder that:

@SSj_Ness is a thrice ban-evading incel known as @Eris-chan who stalks the abortion thread and parrots the exact same talking points as Eris-chan. Also people make fun of him behind his back and it's hilarious.

@Zero Day Defense is also an incel who is abusive to women and uses their misfortunes as a way to demean and humiliate them. He also can't handle bants and will actually put you on this ignore list like the pathetic impotent child he is.

>an incel who is abusive to women

Isn't this a contradiction in terms? One would have to have relations with women in order to abuse them, I would assume. Unless this guy is like Elliott Rodgers lite somehow.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

its scientifically proven inbreeding can causes congential disorders, its scientifically proven that 12 year olds can have their health negatively impacted by pregnancy. call me cold but if I 12 year old got preggers from an incestous rape, then the morally correct decision is to provide and out for said 12 year. I much rather have my taxes go to abortions than well fare, and I don't care if you consider that baby killing you incel edgelord.

That's probably the rarest combined set of circumstances possible, the edgest of edge cases. I can see an argument for aborting in such a case, but I think you're being disingenuous by even bringing that up. Since you support abortion across the board you're basically appealing to emotion.

>an incel who is abusive to women

Isn't this a contradiction in terms? One would have to have relations with women in order to abuse them, I would assume. Unless this guy is like Elliott Rodgers lite somehow.

One could abuse women verbally, online. Also family and friends, perhaps.

 

[Niggaplease]

That's probably the rarest combined set of circumstances possible, the edgest of edge cases. I can see an argument for aborting in such a case, but I think you're being disingenuous by even bringing that up. Since you support abortion across the board you're basically appealing to emotion.

yes I support abortion, its natural selection at its easiest I give no shits about this baby killing shit, I much rather have reluctant parents, and mothers who dont want kids abort instead of having unwanted children to further fuck up society.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

yes I support abortion, its natural selection at its easiest I give no shits about this baby killing shit, I much rather have reluctant parents, and mothers who dont want kids abort instead of having unwanted children to further fuck up society.

Do you support eugenics?

 

[Niggaplease]

>an incel who is abusive to women

Isn't this a contradiction in terms? One would have to have relations with women in order to abuse them, I would assume. Unless this guy is like Elliott Rodgers lite somehow.

I am going to state that I do not find zero day defense abusive in the sense that he is personally abusing me, or any faggots on this site, but I will say, he is a massive incel edgle lord faggot who maybe abusive to any female in his immediate life. also he's faggot.

Do you support eugenics?

I support natural selection, which is those who are opted out of the gene pool by their own decisions. eugenics is man interferred natural selection is defined by consquences of nature. getting an abortion or trooning out is natural selection at work.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I am going to state that I do not find zero day defense abusive in the sense that he is personally abusing me, or any faggots on this site, but I will say, he is a massive incel edgle lord faggot who maybe abusive to any female in his immediate life. also he's faggot.

I get that you're calling him an incel in an attempt to discredit his arguments, and a faggot because it's just a fun insult, but where are you getting "edgelord" from? Since when did pro-life become edgy? Genuinely asking.

I support natural selection, which is those who are opted out of the gene pool by their own decisions. eugenics is man interferred natural selection is defined by consquences of nature. getting an abortion or trooning out is natural selection at work.

If you value the end result of natural selection, why not eugenics? If you want certain people gone why care about their consent?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

There is a functional difference though, in that without the ignore feature you must see the retarded posts you would rather not see. That's why the ignore function exists, to performs the task of granting mercy to your eyes. Even if you skim past a retard's post you'll sully your eyes at least a bit.

I guess, but my experiences of not seeing posts by ignored users (put on there because they would derail threads), and my experiences with merely writing off people and not engaging with them because they're going out of their way to make comments so worthless they can't even be leveraged for further discussion, feel practically the same.

its scientifically proven inbreeding can causes congential disorders

We don't kill kids because they have congenital disorders-- we try to grant them the best life possible.

its scientifically proven that 12 year olds can have their health negatively impacted by pregnancy. call me cold but if I 12 year old got preggers from an incestous rape, then the morally correct decision is to provide and out for said 12 year.

It's not "an out", it's saving their life.

We'll even put aside that at least 85% of abortions are for non-medical reasons and you're an estimated 12-24 times more likely to be getting an abortion because you'll die otherwise than you will because you're aborting a child conceived by rape or incest-- this isn't "providing an out", it's engaging in a necessary evil to save as many lives as possible.

 

[Niggaplease]

We don't kill kids because they have congenital disorders-- we try to grant them the best life possible.

ever heard the term quality of life?

We'll even put aside that at least 85% of abortions are for non-medical reasons and you're an estimated 12-24 times more likely to be getting an abortion because you'll die otherwise than you will because you're aborting a child conceived by rape or incest-- this isn't "providing an out", it's engaging in a necessary evil to save as many lives as possible.

nigga you believe in abortion bad because life is inherently sacred, you call abortions for girls who are too young to be pregnant, a neccesary evil but say its murder because when its done for you deem frivolosly the not right reasons? gtfo out with your shit, you don't get to hide behind neccesary evil because one reason is more valid than the other by your own logic.
either all life sacred in the womb, or it isn't pick one.

I get that you're calling him an incel in an attempt to discredit his arguments, and a faggot because it's just a fun insult, but where are you getting "edgelord" from? Since when did pro-life become edgy? Genuinely asking.

anyone who uses a jokereque avatar by defualt is edgy.

If you value the end result of natural selection, why not eugenics? If you want certain people gone why care about their consent?

Because again eugenics and natural selection isnt the same, eugenics requires human intervention and doesnt follow natural law, besides it funnier to see who gets a darwin award or not. also besides natural selection I am not saying abortion to end a specific group of people, I saying people should have the option to opt out of the gene pool through their own actions if they desire. if by chance a group is erased by them choosing the option to abort kids instead birthing, than strictly falls on the free will of the individuals involved and not on a state enforced effort. things go away eventually, at some point humans would have fucked each other and interacially bred we may no longer have different races.

 

[gang weeder]

I am going to state that I do not find zero day defense abusive in the sense that he is personally abusing me, or any faggots on this site, but I will say, he is a massive incel edgle lord faggot who maybe abusive to any female in his immediate life. also he's faggot.

I support natural selection, which is those who are opted out of the gene pool by their own decisions. eugenics is man interferred natural selection is defined by consquences of nature. getting an abortion or trooning out is natural selection at work.

So natural selection will also eliminate your genes. Ironic.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

nigga you believe in abortion bad because life is inherently sacred, you call abortions for girls who are too young to be pregnant, a neccesary evil but say its murder because when its done for you deem frivolosly the not right reasons?

The guiding principle is "saving lives". It's completely understandable to abort a child because continued gestation will lead to the death of the mother-- because the death of the mother also means the death of the child, but the termination of the child can at least save the mother.

This dilemma doesn't exist in more than 85% of all abortions done.

"Life is sacred" doesn't mean "no abortion, ever", but in this context it does mean that a high esteem for life needs to be a major factor in such a decision. Somewhat similarly (because, in the previous context, you're not "defending" against the person, but rather against circumstances occuring despite that person), "life is sacred" doesn't mean that I'm against killing in self-defense even though I abhor murder.

That high esteem can exist in decisions to abort to save a mother's life, because "as much life as possible" is what is meant to be preserved in that decision.

It will never exist in scenarios where you're killing a kid just because nobody wrapped up, nobody took the pill, and you're just "not feeling" having a baby at that point in time even though both you and the child are healthy-- and that's because you've chosen to rate a life as lower than your ambitions/comforts.

...but you already knew this. You were just so excited when you saw the opportunity to call me out on hypocrisy, that you thought that my views would be too underdeveloped to account for what you thought you could pass as a contradiction (but truly wasn't).

...or am I giving you too much credit?

 

[gang weeder]

This dilemma doesn't exist in more than 85% of all abortions done.

85%? Try 97%.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/19/abortion-mother-life-walsh/1644839/

And even that might be overestimating it, since social desirability bias when saying why you got an abortion would obviously tend towards claiming it was medically necessary somehow. Speaking of which, exactly what qualifies as "medically necessary" to protect the mother is hilariously politicized anyways, as one would expect.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6457018/

And the whole talking point is a red herring because all of these people are also fine with abortion the other 97% of the time as well. Meaning the debate actually isn't about le health of the mother.

"Life is sacred" doesn't mean "no abortion, ever", but in this context it does mean that a high esteem for life needs to be a major factor in such a decision. Somewhat similarly (because, in the previous context, you're not "defending" against the person, but rather against circumstances occuring despite that person), "life is sacred" doesn't mean that I'm against killing in self-defense even though I abhor murder.

No goyim, your position has to be the most retarded version that your enemies can possibly imagine, completely ignoring any and all other possible factors such as self-defense or heinous crimes. Otherwise you are somehow inconsistent and stupid and wrong.

...or am I giving you too much credit?

Waaay too much.

 

[snailslime]

85%? Try 97%.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/19/abortion-mother-life-walsh/1644839/

And even that might be overestimating it, since social desirability bias when saying why you got an abortion would obviously tend towards claiming it was medically necessary somehow. Speaking of which, exactly what qualifies as "medically necessary" to protect the mother is hilariously politicized anyways, as one would expect.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6457018/

And the whole talking point is a red herring because all of these people are also fine with abortion the other 97% of the time as well. Meaning the debate actually isn't about le health of the mother.

why does it matter?

No goyim, your position has to be the most retarded version that your enemies can possibly imagine, completely ignoring any and all other possible factors such as self-defense or heinous crimes. Otherwise you are somehow inconsistent and stupid and wrong.

i mean you've done a good job of being the epitome of your first sentence there

jew worshipper.

 

[The Cunting Death]

Lol null caught you @SSj_Ness

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

why does it matter?

If you don't think it matters then leave it to those who do, unless you have a good reason for why it doesn't.

Lol null caught you @SSj_Ness

I knew I shouldn't have had my hand in the cookie jar...