Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

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...But why? I asked, uselessly

 

[mr.moon1488]

I do miss those videos of assorted middle eastern fuckwits trying to fire rpgs in enclosed spaces. It was a simpler time.

War is just not quite the same without some tard cooking himself with backblast.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

War is just not quite the same without some tard cooking himself with backblast.

Or without the frequent reports of amateur bomb makers discovering why there's very few old bomb makers, and even fewer with all of their original appendages.

 

[D_Tractor]

So can Finns still cross the border and get cheap vodka and onions or not?

 

[Disheveled Human]

They already did get their hands on a bunch of shit, there's those videos from a couple weeks ago of them managing to grab a truck full of NLAWs, Javelins, German RPGs and I think some stingers, all with detailed instructions and paperwork, because of the Kraut's genetic obsession with proper warehouse etiquette.

I mean the RPG-7 launcher is very capable in its own right, what really makes AT weapons pop is the warhead itself. It would be easier to just let the Russians continue using the RPG-7 system then try and reverse engineer the equipment they seized. Long term though the Russians would be stupid not to adopt the technology and even improve it for themselves.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

What's funny to me though is that it almost seems like the British NLAW has been more effective than the Javelin despite being more simplistic. I think when the war is over and real damage assessments come in, it's going to be found that being able to fire safely from enclosed spaces is far more valuable for an AT weapon than what top attack capabilities are. You technically can fire a Javelin from inside a room, but it has to be a pretty large room, and it's still inadvisable.

They'll likely be better at different things, in more urban or close up environments the NLAW will be preferred, but the NLAW only has a range of 1,000m or so. The Javelin has a range of 4,000m or so. Could argue that's overkill but I can see how the NLAWs max range will be a limiting factor in a lot of cases.

 

[Lookie-lou]

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Gotta thank the tabletop soyjournos for making ORC and autoban word on social media.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

I mean the RPG-7 launcher is very capable in its own right, what really makes AT weapons pop is the warhead itself. It would be easier to just let the Russians continue using the RPG-7 system then try and reverse engineer the equipment they seized. Long term though the Russians would be stupid not to adopt the technology and even improve it for themselves.

The rpg 7 hasn't been their primary man portable rocket launcher for decades. They still use it, but it's long been replaced in most roles.

 

[MrJokerRager]

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The fact that you can passive-aggressively talk as much shit as you want, and you can use pretty much any slur as long as it isn't faggot or nigger, but motherfucking Orc/Ork gets you automatically permabanned is perfect. Any and all dnd, fantasy, or 40k subreddits on fucking suicide watch if it's true.

I thought they were talking about word known as hohols.

It won't matter if Russia lacks the means to produce what they reverse engineer in any meaningful numbers.

Far more likely these items end up in the hands of the CCP as bargaining chips for aid.

Implying the CCP doesn't already have the designs due to cyber attacks and manufacturing being outsourced as well as the fifth column being hired by America for cheap labor and being enrolled in by the universities.

 

[The Unbecoming]

What's funny to me though is that it almost seems like the British NLAW has been more effective than the Javelin despite being more simplistic. I think when the war is over and real damage assessments come in, it's going to be found that being able to fire safely from enclosed spaces is far more valuable for an AT weapon than what top attack capabilities are. You technically can fire a Javelin from inside a room, but it has to be a pretty large room, and it's still inadvisable.

Its probably a matter of battle type than anything one way or the other about the NLAW/Javelin. If the ukes were on the offensive you'd probably see more Javelin kills because that added range becomes more useful against dug in tanks. But a defensive fight definitely favors the NLAW/classic RPG-7.

 

[Disheveled Human]

The rpg 7 hasn't been their primary man portable rocket launcher for decades. They still use it, but it's long been replaced in most roles.

I mean almost every Russian video I seen there is an RPG-7 in it. Not sure if you are low key dissing the Russians with that comment or not.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

From what I understand, the Javelin has undergone several massive improvements since its debut, particularly in the field of tracking and electronics.

I'm sure they'd be most interested in taking those apart at the minimum.

Oh without a doubt. They already have a similar weapon in service, I'm sure they'd like to see if they can improve it. It's just not the end of the world if they get their hands on some, it was always bound to happen.

Do the Russians even have long range man portable AT that doesn't require set up like the NLAW and Javelin? Shit like the Kornet is technically man portable but it requires it being setup on a tripod and fire control system, and their RPG series only maxes out at like 700m.

 

[Lookie-lou]

I mean almost every Russian video I seen there is an RPG-7 in it. Not sure if you are low key dissing the Russians with that comment or not.

Putin: "I'm sick and tired of stumbling over all this old surplus piled up in every hallway in moscow, its too old to sell and too fun to just throw away! How to get rid?"

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Do the Russians even have long range man portable AT that doesn't require set up like the NLAW and Javelin? Shit like the Kornet is technically man portable but it requires it being setup on a tripod with and fire control system, and their RPG series only maxes out at like 700m.

I'm not certain tbh, I wanna say yes, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Its probably a matter of battle type than anything one way or the other about the NLAW/Javelin. If the ukes were on the offensive you'd probably see more Javelin kills because that added range becomes more useful against dug in tanks. But a defensive fight definitely favors the NLAW/classic RPG-7.

There is plenty of Javelin kills on tanks, almost every tank with the top blown off is a javelin kill a one and done. The AT-4's and NLAW's sometimes require multiple hits to disable the tank. I have seen plenty of videos showing it.

 

[H. Bergeron]

So what exactly is stopping the Ukrainian forces that were around Kiev and other areas the Russians are leaving, which are still intact due to there being almost no fighting in your words, from doing exactly what the supposed feint was intended to stop them from doing in the first place ?

When those forces start making their way to the eastern/southern front that has been practically static for the better part of a month is the Russian air-force suddenly going to start not being shit and keep them from joining the fight ? Even all the civilian vehicles that will be ferrying infantry and light weapons across the enormous country ?

Don't bother, no amount of losses will make the Russiafags admit that things have been going badly. It's just new excuses every single time. It was a month long feint, a feint that is more or less the reason the entirety of the West went full sanctions and told them to fuck themselves. If Russia had wanted to take over Donbass, and had just invaded there, none of this shit would have happened. But Putin and his 5-D chess decided to cripple the Russian economy in a month long siege that was never really intended to take Kyiv. It's fairly absurd on its face. It's that same fucking Q mentality, we had in 2020, down to calling every mistake or attack on civvies a false flag.

 

[mr.moon1488]

They'll likely be better at different things, in more urban or close up environments the NLAW will be preferred, but the NLAW only has a range of 1,000m or so. The Javelin has a range of 4,000m or so. Could argue that's overkill but I can see how the NLAWs max range will be a limiting factor in a lot of cases.

A whole kilometer out is a pretty long range. To me, it seems like if you're seeing a tank at more than a kilometer out, you and the tank both are most likely in pretty open areas. This is fine, so long as your enemy doesn't have air and artillery superiority. In this context you kind of narrow down the situations where it is actually useful to only situations where the tanks are stuck in an open area and you're in some location where the enemy isn't willing to just level the entire grid square. I think also as small combat drones start to become more commonplace, the use of weapons like the javelin is going to increasingly become more suicidal since it's a lot easier to figure out where they have been fired from VS traditional direct fire AT weapons.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Yeah but during the Roman Empire you could throw out untrained and unarmed men into a battle and they could make a difference meaning manpower was a big factor, now a days you cannot send someone who isn't equipped into battle.

No roman legions had extensive training in fact most ancient armies we're made up of trained men who spent years doing martial combat. Your average Knight, Squire, and peasant Archer had years of training. It isn't until gunpowder and the proliferation of muskets that the average person could pick up a musket/rifle and fight. There is a reason that Egyptian light calvary got devastated by Napoleons army. There is a reason why a couple companies worth of men with muskets can easily annihilate a legion of men with longbows.

 

[Die Dunkle Maus]

I do miss those videos of assorted middle eastern fuckwits trying to fire rpgs in enclosed spaces. It was a simpler time.

Oh dear God, that's hilarious. Even I know better, and I'm a half-wit!

I must find these videos, I usually avoid war-time footage but this must be observed.

 

[DumbDude42]

Funding has always been the supreme driver in any war. You can go back and find roman historians talking about it.

until something like the mongol hordes came along and took a big shit on the caliph of baghdad
all the wealth in the world didnt make a difference then