Culture Oklahoma enacts total abortion ban - Zygotes are now fully human

Oklahoma lawmakers have approved a bill that would make performing an abortion a felony except in the case of a medical emergency.

It's the latest conservative legislature to approve a new restriction on abortion, as Republican-led states across the country push to limit reproductive rights.

The recent wave of bills restricting abortion comes as the country awaits the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in a landmark reproductive rights case. Some legal experts predict the conservative court could weaken or even overturn the constitutional right to an abortion in the first two trimesters of pregnancy guaranteed in Roe v. Wade.

"The only person who should have the power to decide whether you need an abortion is you — no matter where you live, or how much money you make," Tamya Cox-Touré, executive director of the ACLU of Oklahoma, said in a statement after the bill was passed. "But Oklahoma is facing an abortion access crisis that poses an immediate threat to our community's health and reproductive freedom."

What the Oklahoma bill would do​

The legislation, SB-612, prohibits people in Oklahoma from performing abortions unless they are doing so to "save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency."

A person convicted under the bill would be guilty of a felony and could face a fine up to $100,000 or a maximum 10-year prison sentence.

A pregnant woman could not be charged with a crime for having an abortion.

The Oklahoma House approved the measure by a 70-14 vote on Tuesday. It had been approved by the Senate in March of last year.

"Senate Bill 612 is the strongest pro-life legislation in the country right now, which effectively eliminates abortion in Oklahoma," Republican State Sen. Nathan Dahm, one of the bill's authors, said in a statement.

The bill now goes to Gov. Kevin Stitt for his signature. The Republican has previously said that he would sign all anti-abortion bills the legislature sends him, according to NPR member station KOSU.

Stitt's office did not respond to a request for comment from NPR.

In March, the Oklahoma House passed a bill that would ban many abortions and allow private citizens to file civil lawsuits against anyone who performed an abortion, a legal framework similar to a Texas law.

After that law took effect in Texas in September, Oklahoma reportedly saw a surge in women from Texas seeking abortions. Nearly half of the patients being seen by Oklahoma providers are from Texas, the ACLU said.

GOP lawmakers are counting on Roe to be overturned​

Although the Oklahoma bill will most certainly invite a legal challenge if it becomes law, experts say the measure's supporters are likely unmoved by that prospect.

"I think that this is just a reflection of the fact that lawmakers in Oklahoma, as in much of the country, are pretty confident that the Supreme Court is going to overrule Roe and that it's just a matter of time until a law like this can go into effect," Mary Ziegler, visiting professor of constitutional law at Harvard Law School, told NPR.

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Ziegler said the law may even be blocked from being enforced in the short term, but that Republican lawmakers in Oklahoma are likely counting on the Supreme Court to toss out Roe in the summer, clearing the way for such a law to take effect.

"They may lose the battle but they will think that they're going to win the war," Ziegler said.

Even as the constitutional right to an abortion has remained in place, states have left pre-Roe abortion bans in place or passed "trigger" laws that would prohibit the procedure if the Supreme Court ever allowed states to make that decision. More recently, lawmakers in conservative states from Alabama to Idaho to Arizona have passed new restrictions on abortion.

Laws criminalizing abortion used to be common​

Some states are passing laws that would be enforced by private citizens filing civil lawsuits, while others like Oklahoma make performing an abortion a crime.

Laws that explicitly criminalize performing an abortion were common at the end of the 19th century, Ziegler said. "At one point in time almost every state had such a law," he said.

But that changed in the 1960s and 1970s as advocates pushed to repeal such restrictions in the years before the Roe decision, which ultimately guaranteed the constitutional right to an abortion nationwide.

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It’s not common but it does happen and such babies can live a while in everything from being unable to feel anything to untreatable pain. I’d be in favour of a general ban with exceptions for serious threats to maternal health/life. Also rape, incest and severe deformity. The irony there being that most things like that are babies people want and are desperately sad when they find such an abnormality.
Banning contraception though? Oooft. That’ll be a tough sell, because it will fundamentally change society
Not for banning contraception but I can see the logic behind banning the pill specifically. Way too many negative side effects for something handed out like candy.
 
aren't the majority of abortions after 2 months?
anything earlier than that is either a plan B pill or a specialized abortion pill after a few days but before 2 months.
Yeah but my question wasn't really about abortion but about this
I don't accept that there was a point in my existence that I wasn't human and had no rights and I guess the stork magically switched the non-human me with the human me
 
Would you call an egg moments after being fertilized an human?
When the egg in your mother's womb was fertilized by your father's sperm, there was no physical disconnection or replacement between that fertilized egg and you. You were that fertilized egg. If anything happened to it you wouldn't be here now. The answer is yes.
 
I'm not exactly for abortion unless it's necessary but the people saying whores should be forced to have them just for being whores is fucked up. You want some one who doesn't want have a kid to be forced into caring for one? Or are all of you adopting as many kids as you can? You going to pay for the kids therapy when said whore pimps out the kid for some extra cash? You all talk about it being 'a life' but don't actually seem to give a shit about how that kids life is likely to end up
Some of these people want more displaced children lost the system, so they can quietly disappear into child trafficking
 
We're going to have secession. Just based on multiple states passing laws that a corrupt marxist SCOTUS* will inevitably strike down en masse. But throw in "Texas, et al. have no standing to contest the federal election" and "you have to bake the cake for everyone" but "your business cannot operate during a pandemic" and there's just nothing left for it but packing our shit and getting out.

*Roberts will be paid off to resign, Thomas will be Scalia'd. They have to have total control and they'll use SCOTUS to make everything "legal". And don't forget about packing the court. They could easily have 15 justices. More jobs to reward their best cronies with, after all.
Roberts is already the most inconsistent conservative on the court. They don't need him to resign, they just need to threaten his legacy as chief justice for him to maintain the status quo. Ever since he started seeing the totally unforeseen consequences of Citizen's United he's turned into a giant cuck.

As for Thomas, they might wait till they have the court packed, or they have control of the House and Senate and go for impeaching him over his wife's rather exceptional advocacy.
 
Literally all abortions? Retarded, nobody should have to carry what one of those babies that's missing a huge chunk of its brain and just dies in two weeks.
Plus it would all be well documented. There should be a list of all incompatible with life conditions that should be given a pass. I think it is Potter's Syndrome where you have no kidneys, fetus suffers in the womb and quickly dies outside it. The baby actually suffocates to death because it was never able to produce enough amniotic fluid to practice breathing in the womb and force the development of the lungs.
 
I do not consider total abortion bans to be a good example of pragmatic policy, nor do I consider doing them right now to be all that smart politically(the american public favors various limits on abortion, not a total ban). That said though, this kinda stuff has been a long time coming and was likely inevitable once conservatives got control of the SCOTUS again. Roe V Wade should never have happened; abortion should have been gradually legalized at the state level instead.

:Edit: Also, what's this dumb bullshit about banning contraceptives? That's fucking retarded fullstop and anyone who's in favor of that should walk in front of a speeding bus to spare the rest of us their blatant fucking stupidity.
 
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I do not consider total abortion bans to be a good example of pragmatic policy, nor do I consider doing them right now to be all that smart politically(the american public favors various limits on abortion, not a total ban). That said though, this kinda stuff has been a long time coming and was likely inevitable once conservatives got control of the SCOTUS again. Roe V Wade should never have happened; abortion should have been gradually legalized at the state level instead.

:Edit: Also, what's this dumb bullshit about banning contraceptives? That's fucking retarded fullstop and anyone who's in favor of that should walk in front of a speeding bus to spare the rest of us their blatant fucking stupidity.
Strangely enough, if you banned contraceptives and abortions, men would have no argument left to abandoning the chicks they knocked up in the age of paternity testing.
 
Banning contraceptives and abortions is saying to the country - hey, either live a Christian lifestyle or you're fucked. This is how you force an end to hedonistic amorality and start us down the long road to rebuilding our civilization.

Will there be problems in the meantime? Sure, but there's plenty of problems now. Demographic decline will kill the White race in a few generations unless drastic steps are taken. Has to be done.
 
Banning contraceptives and abortions is saying to the country - hey, either live a Christian lifestyle or you're fucked. This is how you force an end to hedonistic amorality and start us down the long road to rebuilding our civilization.

Will there be problems in the meantime? Sure, but there's plenty of problems now. Demographic decline will kill the White race in a few generations unless drastic steps are taken. Has to be done.
Isn't this what happened in Romania under Ceauscecu (sp), so the country ended up with thousands of unwanted babies abandoned in orphanages?
 
oklahoma when all the medical professionals and businesses leave for based Colorado and California
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