Culture Oklahoma enacts total abortion ban - Zygotes are now fully human

Oklahoma lawmakers have approved a bill that would make performing an abortion a felony except in the case of a medical emergency.

It's the latest conservative legislature to approve a new restriction on abortion, as Republican-led states across the country push to limit reproductive rights.

The recent wave of bills restricting abortion comes as the country awaits the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in a landmark reproductive rights case. Some legal experts predict the conservative court could weaken or even overturn the constitutional right to an abortion in the first two trimesters of pregnancy guaranteed in Roe v. Wade.

"The only person who should have the power to decide whether you need an abortion is you — no matter where you live, or how much money you make," Tamya Cox-Touré, executive director of the ACLU of Oklahoma, said in a statement after the bill was passed. "But Oklahoma is facing an abortion access crisis that poses an immediate threat to our community's health and reproductive freedom."

What the Oklahoma bill would do​

The legislation, SB-612, prohibits people in Oklahoma from performing abortions unless they are doing so to "save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency."

A person convicted under the bill would be guilty of a felony and could face a fine up to $100,000 or a maximum 10-year prison sentence.

A pregnant woman could not be charged with a crime for having an abortion.

The Oklahoma House approved the measure by a 70-14 vote on Tuesday. It had been approved by the Senate in March of last year.

"Senate Bill 612 is the strongest pro-life legislation in the country right now, which effectively eliminates abortion in Oklahoma," Republican State Sen. Nathan Dahm, one of the bill's authors, said in a statement.

The bill now goes to Gov. Kevin Stitt for his signature. The Republican has previously said that he would sign all anti-abortion bills the legislature sends him, according to NPR member station KOSU.

Stitt's office did not respond to a request for comment from NPR.

In March, the Oklahoma House passed a bill that would ban many abortions and allow private citizens to file civil lawsuits against anyone who performed an abortion, a legal framework similar to a Texas law.

After that law took effect in Texas in September, Oklahoma reportedly saw a surge in women from Texas seeking abortions. Nearly half of the patients being seen by Oklahoma providers are from Texas, the ACLU said.

GOP lawmakers are counting on Roe to be overturned​

Although the Oklahoma bill will most certainly invite a legal challenge if it becomes law, experts say the measure's supporters are likely unmoved by that prospect.

"I think that this is just a reflection of the fact that lawmakers in Oklahoma, as in much of the country, are pretty confident that the Supreme Court is going to overrule Roe and that it's just a matter of time until a law like this can go into effect," Mary Ziegler, visiting professor of constitutional law at Harvard Law School, told NPR.

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Ziegler said the law may even be blocked from being enforced in the short term, but that Republican lawmakers in Oklahoma are likely counting on the Supreme Court to toss out Roe in the summer, clearing the way for such a law to take effect.

"They may lose the battle but they will think that they're going to win the war," Ziegler said.

Even as the constitutional right to an abortion has remained in place, states have left pre-Roe abortion bans in place or passed "trigger" laws that would prohibit the procedure if the Supreme Court ever allowed states to make that decision. More recently, lawmakers in conservative states from Alabama to Idaho to Arizona have passed new restrictions on abortion.

Laws criminalizing abortion used to be common​

Some states are passing laws that would be enforced by private citizens filing civil lawsuits, while others like Oklahoma make performing an abortion a crime.

Laws that explicitly criminalize performing an abortion were common at the end of the 19th century, Ziegler said. "At one point in time almost every state had such a law," he said.

But that changed in the 1960s and 1970s as advocates pushed to repeal such restrictions in the years before the Roe decision, which ultimately guaranteed the constitutional right to an abortion nationwide.

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total ban is bad. it should remain legal to abort mutants, cripples, downies, etc.
It comes down to how we want to define "medical emergency". Those are all medical emergencies, but not to the mother. I would also like the ability for a choice when the parents know for certain that the child will have severe quality of life problems immediately after birth. I think "medical emergency" or "a confirmed severe limitation to the child's quality of life" is a better way to put it.
 
b..b..based

Some of these people want more displaced children lost the system, so they can quietly disappear into child trafficking
"uhhh homeless people probably don't have a bright future ahead of them so we should just forcibly euthanize them aaaactually" - you, if you were morally consistent
 
so the country ended up with thousands of unwanted babies abandoned in orphanages?
So murdering them is a better option? I'm getting older and haven't found My Special Lady yet. If kids don't happen for me I'd love to adopt one. There are many Gen X'ers and younger who were tricked into making life mistakes that robbed them of having a proper family. I don't think America is going to end up in the same situation as Romania. For one thing no matter how much they wreck our economy we've got a lot more resources to put towards rebuilding it.
>Browsing A&N
>See that Snailslime was last to post in an abortion thread

Oh boy here we go
>wants to abort actual children
>loves jerking off over fictional children
some people are just made of contradictions
 
So murdering them is a better option? I'm getting older and haven't found My Special Lady yet. If kids don't happen for me I'd love to adopt one. There are many Gen X'ers and younger who were tricked into making life mistakes that robbed them of having a proper family. I don't think America is going to end up in the same situation as Romania. For one thing no matter how much they wreck our economy we've got a lot more resources to put towards rebuilding it.

>wants to abort actual children
>loves jerking off over fictional children
some people are just made of contradictions
I didn't say that abortion was the better option.

But banning all birth control is a road I
don't want to go down.
 
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I don’t have a serious/sincere opinion on abortion but I enjoy the pro-life stuff if only because it makes annoying women seethe uncontrollably
I dunno. Assume a world where contraception and abortion were illegal, but parental testing exists. Are men going to laugh at women seething so hard then when they know they have zero excuse?
 
I don't know why everyone is so bitching about this. All these progressives can just donate money to organizations that help provide transportation to women needing abortions.
 
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I don't know why everyone is so bitching about this. All these progressives can just donate money to organizations that help provide transportation to women needing abortions.
Between conservatives and liberals, it's the former that believes in private charity.

Liberals and progressives believe in forcibly extracting the money and labor of everyone else through the federal government to get what they want accomplished.
 
I dunno. Assume a world where contraception and abortion were illegal, but parental testing exists. Are men going to laugh at women seething so hard then when they know they have zero excuse?
I wouldn’t know, I see your point but we don’t live in that ideal world. We live in globohomo and for that, it’s almost considered obligatory to be an absentee father and/or eschew paternal testing since it’s racist against women or something
 
Abortions should be considered 1st degree murder. This would keep vapid whores from slutting around as much as they have been. Plus they'd get the death penalty as they should, so...1 less whore each time.
Women are sluts, but the men who impregnate them are...? Studs? Women don't get pregnant magically. The onus is always on the women who get pregnant but never the males ejaculating into them and refusing to use condoms. It's almost as if it is punishment for women who have sex for any other reason other than popping out babies.
i'm generally against abortion, but i didn't even think you could ban it completely. i thought the six weeks was the limit.
interestingly, the texas six week thing basically bans anything but Plan B
Six weeks is 2 weeks since a woman's last period. That is not nearly enough time to make a decision, book an appointment, and have it sucked out. Many women do not even know they are pregnant at that time; by the time they realize it, it is too late to terminate the pregnancy under these laws.
That is because you have never had an abortion performed. Acting like abortions do not harm the women who engage in them is ridiculous.

Adult women rarely commit suicide, except in the three year time frame after they have an abortion performed. It is a traumatic experience.

If you give birth to a kid that is effectively dead, you can bury it, grieve, and move on. But if you kill it, it will haunt you forever.
You assume that there is some dignity in giving birth to a rotting child that had no hope of living. You're not 'giving birth', you're plopping out a corpse, and demand that the woman still use her body to expel it. This also extends to fetuses that have severe genetic conditions that may develop later on, say, 20 weeks on. Say that baby turns out to have no brain. Do you demand the woman give birth to that lifeless shell?

Life has a price tag. And those price tags run high for tard babies. As for unwanted babies for mothers who cannot afford them, the State can take care of them until they're military age. Then they're full human beings again.
Specifically, they wanted you to try, if possible.

If it's not possible, that should be the end of the conversation, because nobody's actually being forced to do the impossible. But pro-choice proponents think this is an example of legislators not knowing what they're talking about when it's more of legislators being exhaustive in their statutes.
It wasn't possible, that was the thing. They were routinely told the egg was not viable and that ectopic pregnancies are dangerous. These male politicians still demanded that the egg be taken out and re-implanted into the uterus for development.

It was absolutely a case of them not knowing what they were talking about because they did not know those pregnancies were not viable to begin with. The woman's health didn't matter - it was the fact she lost out on breeding.
When the egg in your mother's womb was fertilized by your father's sperm, there was no physical disconnection or replacement between that fertilized egg and you. You were that fertilized egg. If anything happened to it you wouldn't be here now. The answer is yes.
Does spontaneous abortion count? That would still be murder, albeit accidental.
 
Women are sluts, but the men who impregnate them are...? Studs? Women don't get pregnant magically. The onus is always on the women who get pregnant but never the males ejaculating into them and refusing to use condoms. It's almost as if it is punishment for women who have sex for any other reason other than popping out babies.
the onus should obviously be on the men responsible for the woman
 
Fun fact even if the U.S. Supreme Court decided that Oklahoma could completely ban abortion, you could still openly operate an abortion clinic in Tulsa and the state would be completely legally powerless to stop it because all of Tulsa is legally Indian country meaning if you simply hire an native american to perform it then the state has no criminal jurisdiction
 
Fun fact even if the U.S. Supreme Court decided that Oklahoma could completely ban abortion, you could still openly operate an abortion clinic in Tulsa and the state would be completely legally powerless to stop it because all of Tulsa is legally Indian country meaning if you simply hire an native american to perform it then the state has no criminal jurisdiction
But then you have a mouthwash drinker with a scalpel being trusted to preform complex surgery.
 
Fun fact even if the U.S. Supreme Court decided that Oklahoma could completely ban abortion, you could still openly operate an abortion clinic in Tulsa and the state would be completely legally powerless to stop it because all of Tulsa is legally Indian country meaning if you simply hire an native american to perform it then the state has no criminal jurisdiction
They should just make a law next to cover bullshit loopholes like that.
 
That is because you have never had an abortion performed. Acting like abortions do not harm the women who engage in them is ridiculous.

Adult women rarely commit suicide, except in the three year time frame after they have an abortion performed. It is a traumatic experience.

If you give birth to a kid that is effectively dead, you can bury it, grieve, and move on. But if you kill it, it will haunt you forever.
It really does not haunt you. It's a medical procedure. An often very necessary medical procedure. Nearly bleeding to death is definitely more impacting.

Also an acorn could become an oak tree but it's form is totally different to the oak tree.

Here is a breakdown of when abortions are performed in the USA:
  • Earlier than 8 weeks: 66%
  • 9-10 weeks: 14.5%
  • 11-12 weeks: 8.3%
  • 13-15 weeks: 6.2%
  • 16-20 weeks: 3.8%
  • After 21 weeks: 1.3%
Clearly showing the majority of abortions happen before two months of being a host for a parasitic being.
 
Ensuring there's 50 million more blacks voting Democrat in 30 years to own the libs

But seriously abortion is some fucked up shit I don't accept that there was a point in my existence that I wasn't human and had no rights and I guess the stork magically switched the non-human me with the human me the instant I wasn't inside my mom's body anymore. Nobody noticed it flying into the delivery room for the ole switcheroo
I never seen as question of if fetus is human or alive, I see as question if someone else has be an unwilling life support. Of course the fetus is an alive human and if nothing bad happens pregnancy will result into a baby. If the mother is fine with the pregnancy then there is no problem and no need for abortion. Outside of medical emergencies and even with some of those, it's all about if she has continue pregnancy when she doesn't want that just to save a life.

We are not legally compelled to save lives in most of the time. You don't have run into burning building, pull up a drowning person or give a ride to hospital, you are allowed to prioritize yourself over saving others. You can keep your organs even after death despite high need for transplants. You don't even have duty to donate blood, despite it taking like half hour, mostly recovered in days and full recovery in months. I have hard time seeing why a woman can't prioritize her own well-being over her child with pregnancy when that's just fine in other circumstances. She doesn't have run in get her child from a burning building, she can say no to donating a kidney and she doesn't have to donate blood even if it's deadly medical emergency and her child will die without it.
 
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