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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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My point was that all of these weapons being pumped into Ukraine right now (Including all the captured Russian hardware) are going to end up in the hands of various terrorist groups, criminal elements, and assorted dictators/warlords.

A lot of people are gonna end up getting hurt by this in the long term. The last thing we need is to keep escalating it.

I know the thread has turned into a 'Ukraine Good! Russia bad!" circlejerk at the moment, but the Ukrainians are getting civvies killed just like the Russians. Both sides are pretty shitty.
 
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Those are soap bars it looks like, not butter you guys. Pretty sure not even Russians are dumb enough to leave dairy products unrefrigerated. Then again, why would they need to lock up something Russians don't ever use?
Those do look like the slavrunes for butter, but I don't read Cyrillic so @Astro Galactic Megalul or @Vince McMahon could probably confirm that's what it is.
You'd be surprised how many "feints" and "reconnaissances-in-force" the USSR had in WW2 that employed suspiciously large amounts of men and materiel. Even the "wildly successful" Operation Bagration was massively disproportionately bloody for the Russians, and the Red Army was arguably at its height at that point in time before the country's dregs started getting sent to the front lines in serious number.
That was pretty much Rzhev in a nutshell, I've seen some historians argue that meat grinder was a feint for Stalingrad but it's hard to tell if that made it into official Soviet copium because the Soviets after the war avoided talking about it as much as possible.
 
Seriously, the U.S. will sell their tech to anyone willing to play ball with America and help it geopolitically. Not sure why Ukraine would be any different.
Well, the US often sells export models that are missing the latest features. Especially fancy electronics and optics that the Chinese would love to reverse engineer.
 
My point was that all of these weapons being pumped into Ukraine right now (Including all the captured Russian hardware) are going to end up in the hands of various terrorist groups, criminal elements, and assorted dictators/warlords.

A lot of people are gonna end up getting hurt by this in the long term. The last thing we need is to keep escalating it.

I know the thread has turned into a 'Ukraine Good! Russia bad!" circlejerk at the moment, but the Ukrainians are getting civvies killed just like the Russians. Both sides are pretty shitty.
What's your opinion on the Afghan pullout?
 
My point was that all of these weapons being pumped into Ukraine right now (Including all the captured Russian hardware) are going to end up in the hands of various terrorist groups, criminal elements, and assorted dictators/warlords.

A lot of people are gonna end up getting hurt by this in the long term. The last thing we need is to keep escalating it.

I know the thread has turned into a 'Ukraine Good! Russia bad!" circlejerk at the moment, but the Ukrainians are getting civvies killed just like the Russians. Both sides are pretty shitty.
Probably not. At least not in the short to medium term. Whatever is left of Ukraine at the end of this is now Europe's Israel. A Paranoid Nation certain it's neighbors will seek to drive over it at any time. They're not going to be selling their precious armaments to shady Islamic fucks anytime soon. And anybody who tries will be shot. Of course this does not rule out them selling or trading discreet specimens to China in small numbers for high sums of money or some other national benefit. Y'know just like the fucking Israeli's do with everything we give them.
 
That was pretty much Rzhev in a nutshell, I've seen some historians argue that meat grinder was a feint for Stalingrad but it's hard to tell if that made it into official Soviet copium because the Soviets after the war avoided talking about it as much as possible.
Neither side likes talking about it, since it was ultimately a massive failure for them both. The Germans were unable to continue their advance into Russia, and the Russians were unable to dislodge the German defenders. The Germans were eventually able to pull back from the salient in good order, allocating 22 divisions to more mobile operations along the front, but in doing so were forced to abandon the salient as a bridgehead for further offensives. At best it was a pyrrhic victory for the Russians.
Butter is масло and soap is мыло.

It's definitely butter.
Well, that's just horrifying. Who the hell leaves butter out on a shelf like that all tossed around? (Don't answer, its rhetorical.)
Probably not. At least not in the short to medium term. Whatever is left of Ukraine at the end of this is now Europe's Israel. A Paranoid Nation certain it's neighbors will seek to drive over it at any time. They're not going to be selling their precious armaments to shady Islamic fucks anytime soon. And anybody who tries will be shot. Of course this does not rule out them selling or trading discreet specimens to China in small numbers for high sums of money or some other national benefit. Y'know just like the fucking Israeli's do with everything we give them.
Yeah, and every piece of US tech the Israelis sell to China is made via either a partnership with US domestic industries or with a license from such, and needless to say Raytheon isn't going to let Uncle Sam get in the way of their profit margins.
 
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My point was that all of these weapons being pumped into Ukraine right now (Including all the captured Russian hardware) are going to end up in the hands of various terrorist groups, criminal elements, and assorted dictators/warlords.

A lot of people are gonna end up getting hurt by this in the long term. The last thing we need is to keep escalating it.

I know the thread has turned into a 'Ukraine Good! Russia bad!" circlejerk at the moment, but the Ukrainians are getting civvies killed just like the Russians. Both sides are pretty shitty.
This conflict is no different than any other in that regard. Denying Russia Ukraine works in the interests of the Ukrainians, who spent the entire length of the USSR as a second class citizen under the Russians and will no doubt suffer greatly at their hands as we have already seen judging by the average Russian soldier treating Ukrainian civilians the same as they did German civilians during WW2. It is not in the US and Europe interests to let Russia seize Ukraine's oil wealth as well as boarder countries it is overtly hostile towards. In Russia's current climate of North Korea tier sanctions, every piece of Russian military equipment that is destroyed or captured will be hard to replace and thus reduce Russia as a threat to its neighbors. Post war I doubt the Ukrainian government would rather travel to the middle east and sell NATO aid considering they didn't sell the Javelins sold during the Trump administration to 3rd parties and there already is discussion of post war buy back programs that will offer better amounts of cash than Mohammed's offer of 200 dollars in crumpled up 1 dollar bills.
 
The Nazi thing was probably the most laughable bit of Russian propaganda. The survival of Mariupol suggests that despite a greater than 10 to one margin now, the Donbass militias, Russian Army and Chechens are pitiful in comparison to the Azov Battalion, the nearest to actual Nazis. Maybe that DPR soldier just wants some Avoz power charms.
Sorry for the late reply, but this one of the points that have been interesting to observe. In no way do I support Azov, but these battalions were vital for Ukraine back in 2014, they were in a better shape than their own army. Considering some of these guys might as well be battle hardened vets in their mid-twenties to early thirties, with experience on the front they are fighting in and very high morale, it isn't a surprise that Mariupol still hasn't fully fallen to the Russians despite being encircled for weeks. They're fucked if it falls, however, in this case surrender means death!

Well, the US often sells export models that are missing the latest features. Especially fancy electronics and optics that the Chinese would love to reverse engineer.
Even reverse engineering the full models doesn't mean much if they don't have the capacity to produce them. The U.S. had plenty of equipment captured by Iran, which in turn build it's own knockoff versions that don't come close to the real thing. In fact, loads of their "indigenous designs" are just knockoffs of foreign equipment produced locally, just see how they can field guns and the like and how badly they suck with planes and other, more complex pieces!

My point was that all of these weapons being pumped into Ukraine right now (Including all the captured Russian hardware) are going to end up in the hands of various terrorist groups, criminal elements, and assorted dictators/warlords.

A lot of people are gonna end up getting hurt by this in the long term. The last thing we need is to keep escalating it.

I know the thread has turned into a 'Ukraine Good! Russia bad!" circlejerk at the moment, but the Ukrainians are getting civvies killed just like the Russians. Both sides are pretty shitty.
Arms trafficking happens whether you want it or not, the bigger picture is that letting Russia win is the greater evil in the eyes of the West. The collateral sucks, precisely, but there are weapons from World War II and surplus Soviet stock still floating around and being actively sold by arms dealers, this is a consequence of any conflict or major geopolitical event. Doing fuckall in conflicts because of comparatively minor collateral effects leads to worse consequences in the long term, like whole states falling or becoming puppet states, regime changes and genocides. In this case, if Ukraine folded the best case scenario would end with it becoming a puppet state for Russia, effectively a dictatorship serving the whims of the Kremlin, inevitably leading to a Civil War as the people of Ukraine wouldn't fucking accept any of it!
 
What's wrong with you, pussy?
The US should just sell old weapons to both sides and watch them kill each other while protecting themselves with the latest weapons. Maybe Ukraine gets the USS New Jersey, Iowa, and North Carolina. Russia gets USS Wisconsin, Missourri, and Alabama. The Ticonderogas are split evenly and given cooler names like Urbanus and Sebastianus.

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The US should just sell old weapons to both sides and watch them kill each other while protecting themselves with the latest weapons. Maybe Ukraine gets the USS New Jersey, Iowa, and North Carolina. Russia gets USS Wisconsin, Missourri, and Alabama. The Ticonderogas are split evenly and given cooler names like Urbanus and Sebastianus.

If the US did this I'd assume the country literally runs on blood being spilled somewhere in the world to function.
 
The US should just sell old weapons to both sides and watch them kill each other while protecting themselves with the latest weapons. Maybe Ukraine gets the USS New Jersey, Iowa, and North Carolina. Russia gets USS Wisconsin, Missourri, and Alabama. The Ticonderogas are split evenly and given cooler names like Urbanus and Sebastianus.

Who do we hate the most? Give them a Six Pac of those horrible LCS ships.
 
My point was that all of these weapons being pumped into Ukraine right now (Including all the captured Russian hardware) are going to end up in the hands of various terrorist groups, criminal elements, and assorted dictators/warlords.

A lot of people are gonna end up getting hurt by this in the long term. The last thing we need is to keep escalating it.

I know the thread has turned into a 'Ukraine Good! Russia bad!" circlejerk at the moment, but the Ukrainians are getting civvies killed just like the Russians. Both sides are pretty shitty.
Of all the brain-dead takes.

"Hey guys, I know this country has been invaded by Russia in a completely unprovoked manner - but actually, by resisting Ukraine is killing civilians too, and if we help them maybe the after effects of the proliferation of weapons could be bad."

Yeah war is bad, being invaded by Russia and having an entire population persecuted and murdered until they submit to being Russian is worse. Get a clue. What are Ukrainians suppose to do? Oh sorry, we would fight back but that means people might inadvertently get hurt. Just concede all wars to people more ruthless than you and see how history turns out...
 
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suppoably a vid of a russian soldier recording a message for his bud about him raping an infant ... I think it's in Russian, I don't want to watch it, just dropping it here for verification

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Made the mistake of playing the clip when I checked the thread before the bed last night, had trouble falling asleep as a result, the implications of what I've seen kept playing in my mind. Haunting, unreconcilable evil shit.
 
Who do we hate the most? Give them a Six Pac of those horrible LCS ships.

I say we give them to the Philippine military. Ever seen how those guys make shit last? They make the Iranians look like rank amateurs.
 
Of all the brain-dead takes.

"Hey guys, I know this country has been invaded by Russia in a completely unprovoked manner - but actually, by resisting Ukraine is killing civilians too, and if we help them maybe the after effects of the proliferation of weapons could be bad."

Yeah wars bad, being invaded by Russia and having an entire population persecuted and murdered until they submit to being Russian is worse. Get a clue. What are Ukrainians suppose to do? Oh sorry, we would fight back but that means people might inadvertently get hurt. Just concede all wars to people more ruthless than you and see how history turns out...
He already fled to the other thread to farm likes after being called an idiot here.
 
Of all the brain-dead takes.

"Hey guys, I know this country has been invaded by Russia in a completely unprovoked manner - but actually, by resisting Ukraine is killing civilians too, and if we help them maybe the after effects of the proliferation of weapons could be bad."

Yeah wars bad, being invaded by Russia and having an entire population persecuted and murdered until they submit to being Russian is worse. Get a clue. What are Ukrainians suppose to do? Oh sorry, we would fight back but that means people might inadvertently get hurt. Just concede all wars to people more ruthless than you and see how history turns out...
Right Winger Take - When being assaulted just drop your pants and assume the position so that maybe the attacker let's you live after becoming satisfied.

The absolute fucking state of western right wingers, they've spent so much time obsessing over leftists that they're turning into them to a point where their retarded spiels sound the same, they just apply the same retarded wokey takes to different targets.
 
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