War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Sorry no one watched your video bro.

It is not that the thread is Pro-Ukrainian entirely - no one that I saw that blatantly ignoring the war crimes from the Ukrainian side where they were executing Russia prisoners - nor is everyone going around beating off Zelensky. It is just no one wants to hear some Russophile rightoid nonsense coping about how "it's just a feint bro" or "they are sending in cannon fodder first", "NATO expansion that wasnt even on the cards!!"

The thread is pro-Ukrainian in that they aren't the aggressor, the war is completely unnecessary aggression by Russia, the Russian military despite it's superiority in materiel is incompetent and the vast majority of war crimes and indiscriminate bombing of civilians and civilian infrastructure which is against LOAC has been carried out by Russia. Funny people will support one side over the other given all that, damn biased media!

That does not mean that the thread is blind to the potential for Russian success in the Donbas, but so far that is where it is now limited to. Even in the Southern Front near Kherson the Ukrainians are pushing them back, and elsewhere they have been stalled.
For the 3rd time I don't care about the video, it's about a pattern of ignoring anything that isn't explicitly pro-Ukrainian.

The problem I have isn't that individuals support one side or the other, it's the reception of those who aren't in the same boat. I've said this too many times in here but people can't simultaneously complain people "retreat" to the other thread when anything not explicitly pro-Ukrainian is shat on. Guy says "hmm I don't 100% agree with sending in tanks n stuff" and is treated like he said he wants Ukraine to lose, even though he clearly expects them to win. It's lunacy with a complete lack of self awareness.
 
For the 3rd time I don't care about the video, it's about a pattern of ignoring anything that isn't explicitly pro-Ukrainian.

The problem I have isn't that individuals support one side or the other, it's the reception of those who aren't in the same boat. I've said this too many times in here but people can't simultaneously complain people "retreat" to the other thread when anything not explicitly pro-Ukrainian is shat on. Guy says "hmm I don't 100% agree with sending in tanks n stuff" and is treated like he said he wants Ukraine to lose, even though he clearly expects them to win. It's lunacy with a complete lack of self awareness.
Nigga, like there is disagreement on here what are you talking about.

I support limited direct NATO intervention via airpower. Plenty don't agree with that, I understand why.
 
Nigga, like there is disagreement on here what are you talking about.

I support limited direct NATO intervention via airpower. Plenty don't agree with that, I understand why.
I'm a fan of the US/NATO starting up something similar to Eagle Squadrons like in WW2 where US/NATO equipment could be leased to the Ukrainians, repainted and manned by westerners who are given citizenship by the Ukrainian government. The Russians already played these little games in Korea, Vietnam and the 2014 war where their military was on "leave" or just lost. Considering the video of the Russian soldier torturing a baby to death is making it's rounds on social media and the recent spree of Russian behavior there would be no shortage of volunteers for such an endeavor.
 
Nigga, like there is disagreement on here what are you talking about.

I support limited direct NATO intervention via airpower. Plenty don't agree with that, I understand why.
"I support more direct support for Ukraine. Some people don't want that much support!"
What a controversial stance, I'm sure you got made fun of, downdooted, and shat on for sharing it. The other guy shared he didn't want to send western tanks and was lambasted for it, then again for daring to post in the Happenings thread.
 
I went to the other thread for a bit because it has more content and less people getting into slapfights or dogpiling people for going against groupthink. Look at how much of this thread is just people directly arguing and trading insults. I'd rather not get involved in that.

Ukraine is right to defend themselves and Russia was in the wrong to invade, IMO. That said, they're BOTH lobbing ordinance around civilians, killing noncombatants out of paranoia or anger, and generally letting psychos run wild to a pretty horrifying level.

My take on stuff was some poorly-thought out and poorly expressed middle-of-the-night posting. I have no problem admitting that. Good points against it were definitely raised.

It was me mostly trying to say that the sheer amount of stuff we send to various allies in proxy wars that ends up in the hands of our enemies is fucking embarrassing and I'd prefer it stops.

Giving Ukraine a bunch of food and supplies? Fine. Giving them a bunch of small arms and ATGMs? Much less fine, but there isn't much of a better option.

But giving them combat vehicles and training, especially when their leader is currently trash-talking us for not directly intervening and not setting a no-fly zone?

No thanks. They seem to be doing fine already with the Javelins we keep sending nonstop and virtually every Western Intelligence Agency giving them all the satelite recon and radar targeting data they could ever ask for.
 
For the 3rd time I don't care about the video, it's about a pattern of ignoring anything that isn't explicitly pro-Ukrainian.

The problem I have isn't that individuals support one side or the other, it's the reception of those who aren't in the same boat. I've said this too many times in here but people can't simultaneously complain people "retreat" to the other thread when anything not explicitly pro-Ukrainian is shat on. Guy says "hmm I don't 100% agree with sending in tanks n stuff" and is treated like he said he wants Ukraine to lose, even though he clearly expects them to win. It's lunacy with a complete lack of self awareness.

My armor is contempt. My shield is disgust. My sword is hatred.
Seriously, They are only acting like Twitterati because it has been allowed. Dont try to be Reasonable with them, just show them hatred
 


This video showing the corpses we were all shown days ago when we learned of the massacre in Bucha, being dragged into place by Ukrainian soldiers is interesting. On the one hand, the official position of the Ukraine government is that this is how they were found, left by Russians. Clearly that's not true as evidenced by the above video. However, that doesn't mean the Ukrainian soldiers killed these people either, it just means they put the corpses there for optics, or maybe other reasons.
 
Historic context matters a little. Current political reasons matter a lot more. If you are ignorant to that then you could use being more than a little more "deranged."
You can't say historical context doesn't matter when Putin started the war on the basis that Ukraine is not a real country because it was historically a part of Russia.
 
You can't say historical context doesn't matter when Putin started the war on the basis that Ukraine is not a real country because it was historically a part of Russia.
And obviously enough I didn't say that. I said it matters a little. As in it is only a small part of the reason. Noteworthy but far from the real reason. Intelligent people aren't goldfish with no long term memory, but people act on current motivations. After all, if it were just about Russia's history why not just nab Ukraine literally any other year, most noteworthy of which 2016-2020?
 
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This video showing the corpses we were all shown days ago when we learned of the massacre in Bucha, being dragged into place by Ukrainian soldiers is interesting. On the one hand, the official position of the Ukraine government is that this is how they were found, left by Russians. Clearly that's not true as evidenced by the above video. However, that doesn't mean the Ukrainian soldiers killed these people either, it just means they put the corpses there for optics, or maybe other reasons.
Bodies are already on the street, date of the footage itself is unclear, but the coverage is April 3 as you can see. If this is indeed Ukrainian soldiers, then it's likely same day or at least very recent.
According to reports, a lot of bodies were booby-trapped/mined, that's what they're likely checking. Interesting how context changes things, innit? If it was what you claim, Ukrainian TV wouldn't be showing it, which is where your video is from.
You're beating a dead horse, we already have satellite footage from weeks prior, while area was still occupied by the Russians, showing bodies on the streets:
This has been shown/mentioned multiple times in this very tread, but you seem determined to ignore it.

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They even mentioned mined corpses. You'll have to ask professionals regarding their handling of bodies, could be something else. But this is footage showing their efforts checking and cleaning up the area after Russians left.

I'm tired of deboonking your shit, you disingenuous niggers.
 
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I'm a fan of the US/NATO starting up something similar to Eagle Squadrons like in WW2 where US/NATO equipment could be leased to the Ukrainians, repainted and manned by westerners who are given citizenship by the Ukrainian government. The Russians already played these little games in Korea, Vietnam and the 2014 war where their military was on "leave" or just lost. Considering the video of the Russian soldier torturing a baby to death is making it's rounds on social media and the recent spree of Russian behavior there would be no shortage of volunteers for such an endeavor.
This is one of the few recent examples of wars that attracted enough public outcry to be seen in the light of a noble conflict, like World War II. The World changed a lot since then so the political viability of this is questionable (but considering how Putin pissed off plenty of the rich and powerful worldwide, there might be a stronger push), but in paper it's a great idea despite the chance of escalation, given Putin condemns the Ukrainians for hiring foreign mercenaries while recruiting people in Syria and Central Africa on the same breath. Considering we are practically on the Second Cold War, proxy conflicts are about to become more common anyways so I don't know if trying not to do it would be a moot point in the end lol!
 
a lot of bodies were booby-trapped/mined, that's what they're likely checking

There is no bomb removal equipment PPE on the soldiers, so this isn't an accurate assessment. Dressed as they are and in that proximity, a mined body would obliterate the guy moving the corpses into place without having personal protection equipment on.
 
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Yes Globohomo, What surprised that just like you we have finally thrown morality away and focus only on victory ? he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
Ukraine never asked for this, they aren't the aggressor. In this context, this proverb means that you shouldn't be bitching about Russians getting their dues as the invaders that they are.
You lot seem to mistakenly assume that there's a moral equivalence between the two.
 
Ukraine never asked for this, they aren't the aggressor. In this context, this proverb means that you shouldn't be bitching about Russians getting their dues as the invaders that they are.
You lot seem to mistakenly assume that there's a moral equivalence between the two.

Ukraine had the shit luck of getting into war through no fault of their own(mostly, bunch of militia idiots caused some incidents), Unfortunately their victory would benefit globohomo, Honestly Morally Ukraine is in right(again mostly,some shit definitely was done) but Strategically, im sorry but drawn out war or Russian victory are better strategically when it comes to fighting globohomo than Ukrainian victory. World is fucked But tough luck i didnt make this world.
 
Ukraine had the shit luck of getting into war through no fault of their own(mostly, bunch of militia idiots caused some incidents), Unfortunately their victory would benefit globohomo, Honestly Morally Ukraine is in right(again mostly,some shit definitely was done) but Strategically, im sorry but drawn out war or Russian victory are better strategically when it comes to fighting globohomo than Ukrainian victory. World is fucked But tough luck i didnt make this world.
Yeah, I'm done arguing with this nonsense.
 
Ukraine had the shit luck of getting into war through no fault of their own(mostly, bunch of militia idiots caused some incidents), Unfortunately their victory would benefit globohomo, Honestly Morally Ukraine is in right(again mostly,some shit definitely was done) but Strategically, im sorry but drawn out war or Russian victory are better strategically when it comes to fighting globohomo than Ukrainian victory. World is fucked But tough luck i didnt make this world.
I hate to break it to you, but this war doesn't matter when it comes to globalism or globalhomo. Russia could win this thing overnight and genocide all the Uk's and the only thing that would change from a Ukraine win is a different body count number.
 
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