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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Once again you seem to unable to comprehend this isnt about Supporting Russia or Ukraine, Russia is tool, tool where the most optimal outcome would be it destroying Globohomo while also destroying itself leaving West to rebuild free from BOTH globohomo and Russias own shit. You are trying to argue morality while im arguing immoral but strategical course.
You are trying to argue that drinking cyanide is a better alternative to drinking hemlock. I'm not really sure why you are so passionate about this, lol.
 
A want to add to this.

When we are talking about Ukraine joining the west, what we really are talking about is that Ukraine wanted to align their trade rules with the EU ones to get access to the Eurozone economic market.
Not just that. Ukrainians seek to reform the justice system and the law. We obviously are unable to do that on our and we seek the EUs and the American help accordingly.
 
You are trying to argue that drinking cyanide is a better alternative to drinking hemlock. I'm not really sure why you are so passionate about this, lol.

nah rather what im arguing is that rather than either gang winning it would be best if they killed each other, and that if some people are collateral damage that is still preferable if it ensures they wipe out each other. Ukraine is poor bystander here but if the gangs fuck each other up and this means normal people can live safely, Well life isnt sun and roses.
 
As i said Russia is funding far right parties and destabilizing current Western Neolib system, not out of benevolence but for their own advantage, thus the best situation would be collapse of Western Neolib system with Russia too weakened to exploit it. Russia helping destroy Globohomo while also destroying itself would be the most optimal scenario. Dont take me for some fanatic Russian shill, Russia is sadly more useful in this regard. Ukraine is morally right, but Russia is the better tool to hurt globohomo and make better world. I would be pleased to be mistaken but sadly morality and effectivity are not often in aligment.
Er, no. Russia didn't fund Trump or the Republican party, nor does it fund parties in the world that vote against Globohomo. In fact, they were pumping cheap gas into Globohomo countries until just recently, and their current war is against a right-leaning country that has its own version of 4Chan taking up arms. (Azov Battalion) Russia is attacking a fellow Christian power when what they should have done is pressure Iran to be friendlier to Christians and pressured China to stop persecuting Christians.

And of course, the way their army runs, they personify GLOBOHOMO. I'd pick the decadent west over them any day. At least the gays here seek each other's consent before they start sodomizing each other. In Russia, there isn't even a choice.
 
nah rather what im arguing is that rather than either gang winning it would be best if they killed each other, and that if some people are collateral damage that is still preferable if it ensures they wipe out each other. Ukraine is poor bystander here but if the gangs fuck each other up and this means normal people can live safely, Well life isnt sun and roses.
It's always the sheltered, the bored and the lolcows who issue pronouncements like "life isn't all sunshine and roses".

Nigger, those who live life to the full don't need to be reminded of that, they seek positives, not affirm their nihilistic credentials.
 
You just don't see it dood there's a global war going on and it's a necessary sacrifice for the Greater Good™, you're such a retard for not seeing it dood lmao dood your such a reddit

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It's always the sheltered, the bored and the lolcows who issue pronouncements like "life isn't all sunshine and roses".

Nigger, those who live life to the full don't need to be reminded of that, they seek positives, not affirm their nihilistic credentials.

Not sure how acknowladging that Ukraine is bystander that got caught in shitty situation is being nihilistic.
 
Is that really what you think ? is the possibility that we know Putin is butcher and scumbag that is commiting warcrimes and the accusations of genocide arent entirely off base, and yet because Putin and Russia are useful tools for harming globohomo we arent on Ukraine side despite Ukraine being more or less innocent in this ? You realize that when you fight ideology that spans world and has its hooks deep into various institutions ? Sacrifaces have to be made ? Being willing to do something doesnt mean you are happy about it, but we didnt made dirty fucked up world.
Repeat after me:

RUSSIA AND THE WEST ARE BOTH GLOBOHOMO AND RUSSIA WINNING A WAR THAT THEY FUCKING STARTED BY INVADING A SOVEREIGN EUROPEAN COUNTRY DOES NOT MEAN LESS TRANNIES. IT MEANS MORE DEAD INNOCENT PEOPLE AND MORE DESTROYED INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL HAVE TO BE REBUILT.

IF ANYTHING, ATTACHING YOUR ANTI-TRANNY BELIEFS TO FUCKING RUSSIA WILL MAKE NEUTRAL OR POSSIBLy SYMPATHETIC PARTIES EVEN LESS LIKELY TO LISTEN TO YOU WHEN YOU TRY TO REASONABLY POINT OUT THAT MODERN AMERICAN SOCIETY HAS A FAG PROBLEM.
Not sure how acknowladging that Ukraine is bystander that got caught in shitty situation is being nihilistic.
Is a deliberately targeted murder victim also just a bystander that got caught in a shitty situation?
 
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You just don't see it dood there's a global war going on and it's a necessary sacrifice for the Greater Good™, you're such a retard for not seeing it dood lmao dood

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Have i called you retard for that ? I was explaining why i have the position i do, you are free to have your own opinions, pursue your own course, if you believe Ukraine will do better at hurting Globohomo than Russia thats your right to believe it, same if this war and its morality ranks higher to you in terms of importance than globohomo thats once again your prerogative,

Unlike you(who is pissed at me) Im not pissed at you for that, do what you believe is best, thats ultimately all that all of us can do. Walk your own path and i hope it makes you happy.
 
Russia isn't destroying GLOBOHOMO at all. In fact, it has galvanized the Left and made them stronger and more credible, both in America and Europe.
This invasion yes, Putin pursued his own interests(Im fully aware thats the only reason he is supporting movements against Globohomo and would stab those movements in the back if it was advantageous and he was able) and Globohomo benefited from this strategic move, but what will happen if Ukraine supported by Left and Neoliberals lose ? all the while the destruction of Ukraine Agriculture and much smaller exports of Russian Wheat fucks up Africa and causes another wawe of rapefugees ? It would weaken Left it would show them as weak too focused on consooming , too degenerate to be able to properly govern. But yeah if Russia loses then the entire Russian invasion Will strenghten globohomo.

What you expect me to be Cherleeader Russia can do no wrong ? Im just looking at strategic picture.
 
You know, before this whole shit conflict started I would have probably heard your globohomo bullshit, I've always thought that both political sides had a point somewhere deep within their bullshit.

But you are genuinely justifying the rape of children because "MUH GLOBOHOMO"

Re-read all your shit, you are saying that raping children is okay because something you don't like is being harmed, you are saying that raping children is a tool against something you dislike. The Absolute State of the Modern Right.
 
This invasion yes, Putin pursued his own interests(Im fully aware thats the only reason he is supporting movements against Globohomo and would stab those movements in the back if it was advantageous and he was able) and Globohomo benefited from this strategic move, but what will happen if Ukraine supported by Left and Neoliberals lose ? all the while the destruction of Ukraine Agriculture and much smaller exports of Russian Wheat fucks up Africa and causes another wawe of rapefugees ? It would weaken Left it would show them as weak too focused on consooming , too degenerate to be able to properly govern. But yeah if Russia loses then the entire Russian invasion Will strenghten globohomo.

What you expect me to be Cherleeader Russia can do no wrong ? Im just looking at strategic picture.
It isn't weakening the left at all. The longer this war goes, the more the Left has a stronghold on politics, since stupid right-wingers like you are cheering for the modern equivalent of Nazi Germany. If Ukraine falls, then the Left has a martyr. If Ukraine wins, which is the more likelier situation now, then the Left can proudly say their efforts turned the tide. Which means no matter what, Putin has destroyed any prospects of a major right-wing political victory for years to come.
 
You know, before this whole shit conflict started I would have probably heard your globohomo bullshit, I've always thought that both political sides had a point somewhere deep within their bullshit.

But you are genuinely justifying the rape of children because "MUH GLOBOHOMO"

Re-read all your shit, you are saying that raping children is okay because something you don't like is being harmed, you are saying that raping children is a tool against something you dislike. The Absolute State of the Modern Right.

Nah im saying that in fucked up place where Globohomo rapes children and Russia rapes children unless you get the optimal outcome of both Globohomo and Russia destroying each other, then you can just try to take course that will result in less raped children and hope you made right choice. I fully acknowladge that world in which we have to choose who rapes Children less is fucked up world, but i wasnt the one who built that world.
 
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Russia isn't destroying GLOBOHOMO at all. In fact, it has galvanized the Left and made them stronger and more credible, both in America and Europe.
Exactly remmber the last 4 years the left looked crazy saying stuff like "Russia rigged the 2016 election". Now that Russia pulled this shit. It only made the left more stronger since it makes it look like they were right
 
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