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Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread
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Thing is, the idea that many burgers have about an invasion is going in and carpet bombing the shit out of a place until it's flatter than a sheet of paper. I ain't saying that ukraine hasn't taken it's hits, of course it has, but it's nowhere near close to AMERICA FUCK YEAH levels of bombing you see on middle eastern shitholes. It's clear that the russians weren't deliberately throwing bombs everywhere when they perfectly had the ability to carpet bomb ukraine during the first days of the war, they mostly were hitting military structures like depos and shit, of course you will get the ocasional civilian bulding bombed because 1) it's war and in war shit sometimes doesn't go as planned. 2) That's what you get for putting your crucial military infrastructures extremely near civilian buildings and 3) shit aim and/or miscalculations.
I agree with an user above that russia is being too soft with their military actions, but i can understand somewhat why, because they are fucked either way, they are damned if they go too hard and carpet bomb the shit out of houses and cities because muh genocide, making burger/nato war machine spin into orbit faster than it is already, and they're damned if they go too softly because they won't make any gains, ukraine will gather better gear courtesy of europe/burgers and by then even the most powerful russian propaganda machine won't be able to outcast the mega failure of the ""special operation"" to the russian civilians.
I don't understand what's going on with the russian military, and i doubt anyone else knows, i also don't understand europe and burgers, i don't understand anything about this gay war, i again express my wish for a peaceful ending that brings back some peace to ukraine, russia and the world. Because we could damn use some in these times.
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Azov has opened up the biolabs and revealed their new dinosaur Corps. Russians are fucked.
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This is a bald faced lie. The USA didn't flatten Baghdad, and even Fallujah which is the closest analogy in that war to Mariople had nowhere near the widespread property destruction that Russia is unleashing. To be fair, this is a difference in Capability. Russia has to rely on unguided rockets, artillery and bombs while the USA does not. When the USA wanted to destroy a tank in Baghdad, we dropped a missile on it and maybe blew out windows around it. Russia trying to do the same thing drops 12 GRAD Rockets in the general area of the tank in the hope of hitting it, and leveling everything around the tank completely.
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I think we both know that's not how it works. Grudges in that part of the world get held for a very long time, longer than any of the people involved live. Plus their still are plenty of people alive from the communist era, and they definitely hold a grudge over that still.
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As MauLer said, dinosaurs would be shit in a war. They die to 9mm after all.
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Now you're starting to speak Russian
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Okay cool so Russia's endless paranoia and resentment is totally unjustified because what caused it happened so long ago. And please miss me with that shit about losing the Cold War wasn't so long ago, Russia was behind the repression inside Poland to the end of the Cold War as well. Somehow the other ex-communist countries managed to keep themselves from being hollowed out in in the 90s too, Russia didn't solely because some Russians were just fine fucking over the rest of the Russians to get rich.
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Or select parts of the US. I'm looking at you Wisconsin....
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True, but what if the Russians get their hands on the data, make even smarter raptors and put them into the Muslim battalions? We won't be laughing when Velociraptor Mujahideen become a thing.
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I think it's worth noting that Russia isn't trying to emulate US doctrine with these cities at all. They're doing their own thing which they did in Syria plenty and got flak for it there as well.
As for Fallujah, I think people would be flipping shit if Russia did handle it that way.
- Tell all civilians to get out and that everyone left inside by a certain date will be considered combatants
- Bomb and shell it
- Systematically move in and clear, killing a good fraction of the remaining civilians after having displaced over 90% of the rest
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The turok sequel I never knew we needed until now.
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My point is that no one here was alive when those things happened and as an American, in a country that is literally founded on the principle of leaving Old World feuds and war behind, those events have nothing to do with me or my life. Being expected to not only care but in fact, advance a particular cause in which I am not invested in, to my physical and financial detriment, by any means necessary, by hook or by crook, is not only annoying but all the more reason to make it clear in no uncertain words: No. Fuck off. I am not paying for or offering the blood of my children in furtherance of your historical disputes. Good luck and make sure the door hits you on the way out.
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Do you want to say Russians and Americans have something in common? Oh you little Putin troll, don't you know this is very problematic? Now give your money to a military complex.
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So this is where things stand IMO. The Battles of Kiev and Chernihiv are over, and Russia lost both. They STILL have not been able to extract all resistance out of Mariople, but it should be "Any day Now". Taking almost 50 days to secure it will be largely Phyrric, because right now the race is on.
By all accounts, Russia has sustained 15-20% casualties (Killed, Wounded, Sick, Injured) which is enough to render many formations, especially the ones that got thrashed in the North combat ineffective for the time being. Those units will have to get reconsolidated into new units, and this is damn hard to do on the fly. But Russia does not have time, which is what makes still failing to secure Mariople completely a cluster.
After a month of Mobilization, the Northern Border can be turned over to ukraines newly mobilized conscripts, which will free up their active army components to head south and East. Their line of resupply and reinforcements is also much shorter then Russias, which means their casualties are right now being replaced with new soldiers.
Russia is gonna try and make a push in the Donbass, but I don't think it's going to work. The forces from Chernihiv are probably already on their way there. While the Kiev forces are probably on their way to Melitipole to get ready for a counter offensive aimed at Kherson. If Russia over commits in Donbass their left flank is going to be vulnerable.
By all accounts, Russia has sustained 15-20% casualties (Killed, Wounded, Sick, Injured) which is enough to render many formations, especially the ones that got thrashed in the North combat ineffective for the time being. Those units will have to get reconsolidated into new units, and this is damn hard to do on the fly. But Russia does not have time, which is what makes still failing to secure Mariople completely a cluster.
After a month of Mobilization, the Northern Border can be turned over to ukraines newly mobilized conscripts, which will free up their active army components to head south and East. Their line of resupply and reinforcements is also much shorter then Russias, which means their casualties are right now being replaced with new soldiers.
Russia is gonna try and make a push in the Donbass, but I don't think it's going to work. The forces from Chernihiv are probably already on their way there. While the Kiev forces are probably on their way to Melitipole to get ready for a counter offensive aimed at Kherson. If Russia over commits in Donbass their left flank is going to be vulnerable.
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Russian supremacy is not a plausible risk to me. WEF/globohomo/Western hegemony is. Purely on self-interest, checks on the power of Western states are in my interest. And culturally I would rather the alternative to the Western powers be Russians rather than Chinese.
But in less self-interested terms, I would say because I do not regard Russia as the aggressor in this conflict. Now if one's awareness of this situation really only began with recent Western coverage and doesn't delve into the underlying causes either, which is the case for many people in the West, then that will sound a bit bonkers: "Russia is the invader". But if you've been following this for a long time, if you understand how Russia can plausibly see Ukraine joining NATO is an existential threat to it, if you have followed what the West / NATO did to Libya and other countries, then it's a valid point of view to say Russia isn't the aggressor here. Sure, they threw a punch before the noose was completely around their neck, but wasn't that noose being tightened? I think so.
And Ukraine was inflicting suffering on ethnic Russians in its borders. That's undeniable. I also believe in the right to self-determination. Crimea should be Russian, not Ukranian. And Zelensky shutting off water to the people there and announcing that they could "have water when they gave up on independence" bothers me. Someone said Donbass is a murkier situation than Crimea, granted. But there were still numerous crimes perpetrated on the people there by the Ukranian govt and it's Azov ultranationalists. Putin can at least reasonably state that he was more or less fairly elected. Does anyone here believe that the Orange revolution and the Maiden revolts weren't heavily backed and organized by the West?
Honestly, I think it's misleading to think of this in terms of Russia vs. Ukraine and try to decide which is the good guy and which the greater villain. There's a third axis which is the citizen. The Ukranian govt. is at least as corrupt as Russia's govt. Maybe even more! It's not going to make a great deal of difference to a citizen living in Donbass whether their govt. is Russian or Ukranian. Well, except that they might be at less risk of being robbed and beaten by Ukranian ultranationalists. This is a war between govts. more than it is between cultures or peoples. But US/NATO and its proxy Zelensky are every day doing everything they can to turn it into that.
Really, if you ask me how is Russia better than US / NATO, the shortest answer is that I think they're less culpable for the war happening than US / NATO. We had every chance of the last eight years to defuse this situation, to actually have meaningful discussions. Instead, we have egged Zelensky on with entirely predictable results. And I really mean that. Because it was predicted by many very clearly. And we continue to buoy him up in conflict with the best interests of the ordinary people who are actually living in Ukraine.
And we're doing it because we want power. That is demonstrable. If it was about morality or suffering we wouldn't have done what we did to Libya, we wouldn't be turning a blind eye to what is happening in Yemen. And a dozen other examples. From Russia's point of view, this is a war against an existential threat. From US/NATO's point of view, this is a war about coming up against a country that refuses to accept its hegemony, threatens to rival the USA's (vastly inflated) dollar as the global reserve currency; and an opportunity to pump up military spending for shareholders in Raytheon, etc. and distract from Biden's ailing presidency.
A long answer, but that's my attempt at one.
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That's exactly how the US does shock and awe.
Someone posted pictures of Baghdad earlier in this thread, and I pointed out that two or three buildings in the foreground were smoking heavily but the background showed a sprawling city left untouched.
The US has done things like put a bomb through a civilian shelter in Serbia, a baby formula factory in Iraq or whatever, the Chinese embassy, and a AC-130 let loose on a MSF hospital, but the "fuck yeah" is usually delivered by laser guided bombs or JDAM on selected targets rather than carpet bombing.
The joke is even that American "smart bombs are not smart". They usually hit where we're aiming for, it's what we're aiming at that's the problem.
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