Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[White_N]

Soldiers of the border guard service of Ukraine swore allegiance to Kadyrov.

 

[Narcotics]

These are nice hypotheticals but under the current circumstances one nation would be barbecue'd alongside RF.
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And no. No anti-missile defence systems, no patriotism nor hope would stop that from happening if bombs fall.

So please, when you sit hypothesising about nukes, do not forget that we would die together with all the Russians.

I hope the russians know where to aim, we sure dont want any throw at us down here

In a more serious take, nukes rn are serving 2 important tasks, first one being what's stopping russia from going apeshit with europe and the second is stopping europe/usa from going apeshit with russia, in a way, they are the things keeping this war inside ukraine, as retared as the govs are worldwide they are aware that once you launch the nuke there's no going back, no amount of public statements or backpedaling will undestroy a city. And as many users above have said, there's no winner in a nuclear exchange (except turkey), NATO and russia are barking at eachother but no one dares to bite for this reason. Russia can tease that it's nuclear nukes are on high alert all they want but it's all sabre ratting to scare NATO from diving in directly. As war hungry as any country is nukes will always be the last resort in a war, the moment you know there's no escape and You know You will be fucked 1000% is when you throw it.

 

[mr.moon1488]

VOR giving his take on the Russians' attempt at taking Kevin.

TL;DW: Basically what he said in earlier videos. The main objective was to take Kevin, decapitate Krusty the Clown's regime and thus arguably speedrun this war. A very high risk and very high reward spedop that VOR claims he himself, especially with the advantage of hindsight, would have not done. Diverting Ukrainian forces from the Donbass and the south was a secondary objective that became moot once the first one failed. Ultimately Russia abandoned the northern theatre by recognising it as a sunk cost.

Saying that it was a diversion is both correct and a cope at the same time, leaning towards the latter.

Here's my take on it. I think it was a diversion because you never really saw any attempt to actually do anything in Keiv, but I don't think it really went as well as they would have liked. I think at some point Russian command decided they were simply losing too many forces there to justify keeping a pinning force there so they pulled back before they really wanted to. I think if they had not been taking more casualties than they wanted there, they'd still be parked outside Keiv.

If they waited on that, and Germany waited on Russia, shit might have been very different.

I don't think Germany could have waited on the USSR. I think they pretty much had to go when they did. Imo the best thing Japan could have done would have been to seize and annex all eastern Russian cities right after Germany invaded. That would have taken the USSR out of the war and given Japan a lot more options later on when attacking the US.

 

[JimboWhales]

Haha no. Russia was in the middle of a massive military modernization and build up. If they couldn't do it then, they certainly couldn't do it a few years down the line.

Plus by Barbarossa Germany’s economy was almost entirely dependent on Soviet aid which wasn’t going to last forever. Germany was already kind of collapsing in slow motion a lot earlier than people think.

 

[Saint Agustin]

VOR giving his take on the Russians' attempt at taking Kevin.

TL;DW: Basically what he said in earlier videos. The main objective was to take Kevin, decapitate Krusty the Clown's regime and thus arguably speedrun this war. A very high risk and very high reward spedop that VOR claims he himself, especially with the advantage of hindsight, would have not done. Diverting Ukrainian forces from the Donbass and the south was a secondary objective that became moot once the first one failed. Ultimately Russia abandoned the northern theatre by recognising it as a sunk cost.

Saying that it was a diversion is both correct and a cope at the same time, leaning towards the latter (~25/75).

Thing is Russia never wanted to allocate too much resources to this war, which in hindsight they should have done.

Russia should have went bombing places left and right, occupying them without a chance of being recaptured and doing basically blitzkrieg, taking over Kiev with lots of casualties but surgical precision. Now the war would be over and Ukraine sucking Putin's dick while the EU fondles his balls.

Instead of that they tried to ran the more humanitarian war possible, with lots of warnings and slow advance. Basically putting off resistence every step of the way.

Trying to be nice and wholesome cucked Putin bad.

 

[Doctor Ivo Robotnik Sr.]

You can be racist and still not like the practice of children being sacrificed to Moloch.

Why the fuck are we talking about abortion in the Russian Ukrainian war thread

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Just saying, this is the amount of shit the Soviets got from Lend Lease, if you're going by the "Wanting more stuff means you're losing," Germany was kicking Soviet ass in 1943, 44, and 45, but was failing in 1941 and 42.
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Barbarosa caught the USSR with their pants down, but it was already a disastrous Pyhhric "victory" for Germany pretty early on.

Russians suffered horrendous casualties, 4 million by the end 1941, but Germany suffered proportionately worse: 1 million casualties of their best troops. By Dec 5th the German plan had strategically failed and turned into the biggest meat grinder in human history, which favored the much bigger population and greater industrial capacity of the USSR. They never recovered from being stalled outside Moscow. and spent the rest of the war being bled to death on two fronts.

Idk how applicable it is to Ukieboogaloo. USSR was obviously going to win even if lend lease never happened (German intelligence, which was a joke throughout the war, misunderestimated Soviet manpower by something like a factor of 10 and were completely unprepared to find the Slavs had more and better tanks than Germany ever dreamed possible).

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

I don't think Germany could have waited on the USSR. I think they pretty much had to go when they did. Imo the best thing Japan could have done would have been to seize and annex all eastern Russian cities right after Germany invaded. That would have taken the USSR out of the war and given Japan a lot more options later on when attacking the US.

I'm not certain how much the japs could have accomplished given how the border clashes with the soviets went pre war. It certainly would have been a slap to morale to be fighting a two front war though.

 

[LUNEKO]

Why the fuck are we talking about abortion in the Russian Ukrainian war thread

Did you really think this thread was going to be held at any standard after the mod who made it bailed?

 

[Lone MacReady]

I don't think Germany could have waited on the USSR. I think they pretty much had to go when they did. Imo the best thing Japan could have done would have been to seize and annex all eastern Russian cities right after Germany invaded. That would have taken the USSR out of the war and given Japan a lot more options later on when attacking the US.

Shiiiiiit, that would also (potentially) net Japan some much needed oil fields for further conquests.

 

[mr.moon1488]

I'm not certain how much the japs could have accomplished given how the border clashes with the soviets went pre war. It certainly would have been a slap to morale to be fighting a two front war though.

Morale is a big part of it, but the biggest thing would have been that it would have basically flipped the Russian winter into being favorable for the Axis since you'd have a lot of USSR forces stuck out in Siberia which is by no means a place you want to spend winter even if you are Russian.

Shiiiiiit, that would also (potentially) net Japan some much needed oil fields for further conquests.

Yup, which would have meant the US cutting them off from oil would have had basically zero effect.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I don't think Germany could have waited on the USSR. I think they pretty much had to go when they did. Imo the best thing Japan could have done would have been to seize and annex all eastern Russian cities right after Germany invaded. That would have taken the USSR out of the war and given Japan a lot more options later on when attacking the US.

Japan couldn't even think about attacking the USSR, their army was tied up in the grindhouse known as China. They might have been able to tie up forces in the USSR, but not actually attack it.

If they waited on that, and Germany waited on Russia, shit might have been very different.

There's way too many things Germany and Japan had issues with, Germany could never actually produce a long range heavy bomber in significant numbers to save their lives and was stuck with the twin engine, medium bomber made in the mid 30s in the He-111, so had issues with strategic bombing and never managed to bomb the USSR's industry moved to the Urals, Japan was stuck in the meatgrinder of China for years before World War 2 actually kicked off, Japan's Army and Navy HATED each other and rarely, if ever, worked together and in fact actively tried to subvert each other.

 

[White_N]

Frankfurt
Come on, shout "Glory to Ukraine... as part of the Russian federation" fucking bums.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Morale is a big part of it, but the biggest thing would have been that it would have basically flipped the Russian winter into being favorable for the Axis since you'd have a lot of USSR forces stuck out in Siberia which is by no means a place you want to spend winter even if you are Russian.

The problem I see is that the Japanese really had a ww1 army. It was a fantastic army in that regard, but severely lacking in others. Specifically in armor, their tanks were obsolete dogshit the day they were first made, and they didn't really have apcs in any real quantities. If German armor had a tough go at the soviets, the japs would have made that look like a cakewalk.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Thing is Russia never wanted to allocate too much resources to this war, which in hindsight they should have done.

Russia should have went bombing places left and right, occupying them without a chance of being recaptured and doing basically blitzkrieg, taking over Kiev with lots of casualties but surgical precision. Now the war would be over and Ukraine sucking Putin's dick while the EU fondles his balls.

Instead of that they tried to ran the more humanitarian war possible, with lots of warnings and slow advance. Basically putting off resistence every step of the way.

Trying to be nice and wholesome cucked Putin bad.

This ain't true though. The first 48 hours was a very determined blitz that withered on all fronts on day 3 once the Ukrainian army got its act together. This was as true in the south and East as it was the north.

 

[White_N]

A little girl from Mariupol tells how she was blown up on a tripwire during evacuation.

Both sides blame each other for the placement of the tripwire. The only thing that matters is that the girl is safe and recovering.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

This is one of the reasons I argue that if Japan had waited at least another year to launch Pearl Harbor, there were probably better than 50/50 chances of the Axis winning WW2.

Japan didn't have another year, they had a few months tops to seize new resources or the American embargo would've left them unable to fuel their fleet. Pearl Harbor was necessary, in Jap thinking, to stop the US from being able to oppose them grabbing the oilfields of Dutch East Indes since they were now cut off from buying American oil.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Just because you're making gains doesn't mean you're not in need of ammo.

On the contrary, there is no such thing as too much ammo.

>Nobody wins in a nuclear exchange
Roaches have high resistance to radiation. Turkey would become a global hyperpower overnight.

That is terrible but I can't stop laughing.

Anyone advocating for the release of nuclear weapons against Russia, USA or China deserves to be wiped off the face the earth, before they wipe everyone else off to own the enemy du jour.

It's not just a KF forum poster, its been floating on pro-Ukrainian sites all over the internet. It's the natural progression from the self inflicted owns of lack of fuel to lack of food and now let's blow up the world, or at least a good chunk of it.

Besides, the "Ukraine gave up its nukes lol" crowd doesn't realize that the country didn't even have the launch codes, that's how sudden and unexpected the collapse of the USSR was.

Even funnier is the retards who think that Vlad is gonna decide to use nuclear weapons on a whim, despite the long reaching consequences that such a decision could have. You know, like, other countries responding with their own warheads?

We've come far closer to annihilation several times in the 20th century, and, believe it or not, common sense did prevail, more or less.

Besides, there's no need to "win" a nuclear war when you can just have your opponent shit the bed economically. The quagmire in Afghanistan was a huge contributor to the collapse of the USSR and didn't require one single American boot on the ground, really.

 

[Fougaro]

Here's my take on it. I think it was a diversion because you never really saw any attempt to actually do anything in Keiv, but I don't think it really went as well as they would have liked. I think at some point Russian command decided they were simply losing too many forces there to justify keeping a pinning force there so they pulled back before they really wanted to. I think if they had not been taking more casualties than they wanted there, they'd still be parked outside Keiv.

But was it for a lack of trying though? My understanding, and I'm regards to military tactics a complete and utter brainlet, is that the Russians genuinely tried to take the city, but were kinda caught with their pantsus down due to the unexpected resistance of the Ukrainians (VOR speculates that the Russian glowies didn't do a good enough job to demoralise and make them defect), combined with the fact that Kevin isn't some backwater shithole, but a metropolis of three million people, making it for the Russians the military equivalent of taking Takeshi's castle at the moment. The alternative to throwing the towel was for the Russians either to maintain a costly diversion or go full retard like the JNA did in Vukovar.

 

[Frisk]

I hope the russians know where to aim, we sure dont want any throw at us down here

In a more serious take, nukes rn are serving 2 important tasks, first one being what's stopping russia from going apeshit with europe and the second is stoping europe/usa going apeshit with russia, in a way, they are the things keeping this war inside ukraine, as retared as the govs are worldwide they are aware that once you launch the nuke there's no going back, no amount of public statements or backpedaling will undestroy a city. And as many users above have said, there's no winner in a nuclear exchange (except turkey), NATO and russia are barking at eachother but no one dares to bite for this reason. Russia can tease that it's nuclear nukes are on high alert all they want but it's all sabre ratting to scare NATO from diving in directly. As war hungry as any country is nukes will always be the last resort in a war, the moment you know there's no escape and You know You will be fucked 1000% is when you throw it.

I'm pretty "happy" with how things are going in the sense that the prospect of the worst possible outcome (i.e. nuclear war) seems more distant every day. And yes, thankfully there's a tacit understanding among all sides that nukes are a one-way road to hell. Of course on the other hand everyone is showing contempt for life by prolonging this conflict until either Russia bails or Ukraine is forced to the negotiating table on bad terms. That could drag for months and create much more needless suffering. And unfortunately both sides see the stakes as too high to simply withdraw now.

This ain't true though. The first 48 hours was a very determined blitz that withered on all fronts on day 3 once the Ukrainian army got its act together. This was as true in the south and East as it was the north.

No it's likely true. The Russian Armed Forces pulled a half-arsed Deep Battle (not like Blitz) doctrine expecting to pocket Ukrainian forces and demoralise them into submission, expecting little resistance. Had they waged total war from the start and attacked Ukrainians on all fronts with indiscriminate bombardments with no regard for civilian casualties they would have probably been in a much better position atm. TL;DR Putin is a dolt.