Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[Übertroon]

The idea that if Russia did nothing, they would be okay is rather naive. Especially when there are endeavors to balkanize russia.
Everything that Russia is doing right now, i would venture the EU/Nato would like to do to Russia.

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Why do you guys legitimately act like there aren't dozens if not hundreds of plans to take action against Russia through various proxies.
The Russians took Crimea to have Sevastapol's warm water port, so that they could defend their military alliance with Syria.
And who was out to remove Bashar? The west, the very same people that we are just going to assume have no aggressive posture after watching them take down their enemies, and the enemies of their allies one by one, piece by piece?
Were you guys just as defensive about the Western/Turkish/Qatari intervention in Syria? Libya?
Was Russia's intervention justified there, and elsewhere? Was Iran's intervention against ISIS justified?
Personally, i find justification to be a personal thing. Reasoning is not. To deny that there are reasons why this is happening, and just call them excuses is to be confident in naivete.

There's a huge gap between "doing nothing" and invading your neighbor. Like I thought Putin did a brilliant piece of realpolitik by making all of western media cry about a impending invasion for months, then just announcing that Crimea and the Donetsk republics were officially becoming Russian territory. Western media and leaders appear paranoid and irrational, the public is happy that it didn't lead to war and just made the Russian annexation of Ukrainian territory official. But then they declare war, basically turning themselves into a pariah state and having to fight a slug fest of a war against the second largest army in Europe.
If it wasn't for the war Germany would still become further and further dependent on Russian gas. If it wasn't for the war they wouldn't be torpedoing the election of european politicians who aren't outright hostile to Russia. If it wasn't for the war the absolute disaster in Afghanistan would still be the worst military campaign this century.
Like what was the fucking plan here? It was stupid, and it will remain stupid.

 

[elite_club]

Wagner telegram apparently reposting /chug/ memes.

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Ngl that’s pretty great. Been a while since I chuckled at the pointing soyjack

 

[Borscht]

I respect a lot of your posts, but it's genuinely disconcerting to know one of the people with the most balanced perspectives on this thread would go to bat for Z-tard posting.

Perhaps we misunderstood one another, then. You posted two obvious untruths that were harmful to believe in in the long run - I see no difference between dangerous propaganda. Telling your children that there is an ace pilot who will save them (when, in fact, there isn't one) is dangerous unless you are telling them a bedtime story because it 1) endangers them and 2) fosters resentment when they find out it isn't true. Telling your children that soldiers are not dead, only sleeping (or whatever) may not endanger them immediately, but also fosters resentment when they find out it isn't true.

Propaganda is poisonous, and falling for it leaves you open for disappointment. Don't feed it to your kids.

(No, this doesn't mean you should expose them to gore and hot takes, either. Explain to them what is going on as appropriate to their age and try not to stray too far from the facts.) Parenthood during wartime is a minefield already, there is no need to make it even more horrible accident-prone than it already is.

 

[draggs]

Both are lies. Ghost of Kiev is arguably pretty malicious because it gives people the idea of safety when there really isn’t. As for the dead bodies, I don’t think those are fake, but the media and people in general seem too eager to call it the fault of the Russians at all times. It’s war, and things are never that cut and dry. It’s also funny that with the Western media, a few hundred can die in Ukraine and it’s an international tragedy, but millions can die from American interference in the Middle East and no one cares. Both cases are sad, but I have no real connection to either place, so it’s hard for me to care beyond just surface level sympathy. Anything more than that looks like attention whoring on my part.

When Samuyil Hydenskyy comes for you I'm not going to say you didn't deserve it

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

When Samuyil Hydenskyy comes for you I'm not going to say you didn't deserve it

He'll get away with it too

 

[glib]

I don't see how invading Ukraine helps against any of this, in fact it makes it worse. Russia is fucked demographically. Instead of trying to fix that they are instead lashing out wasting the lives of tons of their people for very little gain. They should be working on fixing their shit so people actually want to have kids, not sending kids off to die so they can feel less paranoid. Even if they take Ukraine they won't be satisfied, they'll look at other territories they could be invaded through and try to make the same bullshit claims because again they have the mindset of a paranoid schizo who feels extremely unsafe unless he has exactly 16 locks on his door at all times.

Why should russia feel safe?
Did you forget that the USSR collapsed and caused economic havoc for decades after?
Why do you think putin stays in power?







Also, what country has a sufficient birth rate?
Africans?

 

[UVB-76]

Both are lies. Ghost of Kiev is arguably pretty malicious because it gives people the idea of safety when there really isn’t. As for the dead bodies, I don’t think those are fake, but the media and people in general seem too eager to call it the fault of the Russians at all times. It’s war, and things are never that cut and dry. It’s also funny that with the Western media, a few hundred can die in Ukraine and it’s an international tragedy, but millions can die from American interference in the Middle East and no one cares. Both cases are sad, but I have no real connection to either place, so it’s hard for me to care beyond just surface level sympathy. Anything more than that looks like attention whoring on my part.

Okay. My point is that Russia state media has taken behind the scenes video of a movie shoot where people are messing with mannequins, from like a year or two ago, and claimed it was Ukrainians staging a war crime. When Western media does this, we rightfully criticize. When Russian media does this... eh, "both sides".

Perhaps we misunderstood one another, then. You posted two obvious untruths that were harmful to believe in in the long run - I see no difference between dangerous propaganda. Telling your children that there is an ace pilot who will save them (when, in fact, there isn't one) is dangerous unless you are telling them a bedtime story because it 1) endangers them and 2) fosters resentment when they find out it isn't true.

I understand the perspective but it's not like the story will cause children to take unnecessary risks. It's not going to affect where the bomb lands.

 

[glib]

There's a huge gap between "doing nothing" and invading your neighbor. Like I thought Putin did a brilliant piece of realpolitik by making all of western media cry about a impending invasion for months, then just announcing that Crimea and the Donetsk republics were officially becoming Russian territory. Western media and leaders appear paranoid and irrational, the public is happy that it didn't lead to war and just made the Russian annexation of Ukrainian territory official. But then they declare war, basically turning themselves into a pariah state and having to fight a slug fest of a war against the second largest army in Europe.
If it wasn't for the war Germany would still become further and further dependent on Russian gas. If it wasn't for the war they wouldn't be torpedoing the election of european politicians who aren't outright hostile to Russia. If it wasn't for the war the absolute disaster in Afghanistan would still be the worst military campaign this century.
Like what was the fucking plan here? It was stupid, and it will remain stupid.

The idea of neutralizing ukraine, and solidifying their gains isnt stupid. The west is literally too afraid to deploy military because of how much they screwed over their own people. Who wants to die for macron, the EU, or ukraine?

Didnt trump tell europe to get their shit together militarily? Now look at them. Unable to respond accordingly. Stuck in covid, massive inflation, energy dependency, social welfare, and overrun with migrants. Tactical disarray.

 

[Titos]

Why should russia feel safe?
Did you forget that the USSR collapsed and caused economic havoc for decades after?
Why do you think putin stays in power?

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Also, what country has a sufficient birth rate?
Africans?

The US and Mexico both have sufficient birth rates. I'm not sure what you're getting at with the rest of that shit. Are you arguing Russia shouldn't feel safe or should? GDP means jack shit when it's almost all in Oil exports and most money is in the hands of a few hyper rich psychos.

 

[capitalBBustard]

If I were Ukrainian, I'd be telling my kids there was a lone pilot defending our skies.
If I were Russian, I'd be telling my kids to stop believing the Western lies online, all the videos of dead people are fake.
Do you think this is comparable?

What kind of disingenuous faggot shit is this?

"If i wus uh ukrop, I'd be telling muh kids those pics of merked children in donbass are all fake katsap lies."
"if i wus uh moskal, I'd be telling muh kids we are defending our people stuck beyond our borders."

Cheers fag, you subconsciously applied the concept of 'phrasing'. Fucking hell if you're dumb enough not to notice.

 

[Übertroon]

Did you forget that the USSR collapsed and caused economic havoc for decades after?

Which was entirely the fault of the Soviets. They wanted to play a superpower with a poorly educated population and struggling economic output. It wasn't some CIA ploy that broke them up. The Soviets saw how shit was stagnating and their military was incapable of keeping up with western forces, and eventually the non Russian states left the USSR for deeming it too Russian, and the Russians broke up the USSR because it wasn't Russian enough.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Okay. My point is that Russia state media has taken behind the scenes video of a movie shoot where people are messing with mannequins, from like a year or two ago, and claimed it was Ukrainians staging a war crime. When Western media does this, we rightfully criticize. When Russian media does this... eh, "both sides".

I don’t like it when any side does it, but staging things for war propaganda is a very old practice. That famous Iwo Jima picture with the American flag was actually staged by a photographer. Right now though, I’m only going “both sides” because there is so much contradictory information out there that it will be a while until the full truth is known. I’m always suspicious of when the media jumps on some massacre, whether it be a school shooting or a bunch of civilian deaths in war. Not because I think all are staged, but it’s typically to push a bigger narrative (like getting the US to invade in order to stop the tragedy). Even assuming all of what the media is reporting on Bucha is true, I question the way it is spun by the media. With things like this, the media typically has the underlying notion that the US needs to involve itself fully in yet another war and I really don’t want that.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Russians dismantled a memorial showing the protesters who were killed in 2014 in Kherson, from RIA so you know the Russians were behind it.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Well if the Russians don' make propaganda material for military anime waifus, they deserve to beaten to death by the Eternal Hohol and raped by his mutated pigdogs born in the fields of the Red Forest.



How come nobody made anime waifus for the M1 Abrams is a mystery or anything in the US Military Arsenal. Its a disgrace pinup models have been banned.

I also wonder why /pol/ doesn't allow song on videos posted there, compared to dvach.

And here is a meme dump as of late.

Spoiler: Z

 

[Borscht]

When Western media does this, we rightfully criticize.

Not... really. I apologise, but this thread alone has people falling for American (and Ukrainean) propaganda hook, line and sinker. I've seen every newspaper out there from rags like "The Sun" to more reputable ones like "Washington Post" publish the most egregious lies and nobody is calling them out on it.

Just off the top of my head, a few days ago an Italian newspaper published an article claiming Russia is full of nazis and illustrated it with pictures of Tesak who 1) had been apprehended years ago and 2) committed suicide in his cell some time later. There has not been a retraction I am aware of.

 

[UVB-76]

Why do you think putin stays in power?

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I like how you can pinpoint Putin's fuckery in those graphs. The growth from the 2000s stalled out.
Similarly to China, which also seemed to be making huge strides in the 2000s and then decided to clamp down.

The idea of neutralizing ukraine, and solidifying their gains isnt stupid. The west is literally too afraid to deploy military because of how much they screwed over their own people. Who wants to die for macron, the EU, or ukraine?

Didnt trump tell europe to get their shit together militarily? Now look at them. Unable to respond accordingly. Stuck in covid, massive inflation, energy dependency, social welfare, and overrun with migrants. Tactical disarray.

Ukraine's neutralization is only temporary. It will be rebuilt. It will be much cheaper than rebuilding Europe after WWII. The west doesn't deploy militarily because of nukes.
Screwed over their own people? My dude, almost nobody cares when NATO deploys. Only the Bongs still bring up Kosovo, no idea why but they're the only Euros who remember it.
It's impossible to respond accordingly to a nuclear power, and the running joke is that Putin cured covid. The European military might be turbofucked, but in a world with no nukes a NATO intervention would still have them slapped the Z boys back to Siberia.

 

[Übertroon]

The idea of neutralizing ukraine, and solidifying their gains isnt stupid. The west is literally too afraid to deploy military because of how much they screwed over their own people. Who wants to die for macron, the EU, or ukraine?

Didnt trump tell europe to get their shit together militarily? Now look at them. Unable to respond accordingly. Stuck in covid, massive inflation, energy dependency, social welfare, and overrun with migrants. Tactical disarray.

Their gains were already solidified. How exactly are they neutralizing the Ukrainians? They invaded a politically divided nation and have given them a common enemy to hate and fight. You've now got more Ukrainians armed and fighting than when this shit started.
And what's the plan here? They've already failed to take Kiev. Are they going to grind their way to Lviv for the next decade? How will Russia defend itself if half their equipment gets lost fighting the hohols?
The Russians are falling into the same trap of pretending to a superpower and making more and more enemies by using force rather than diplomacy.

 

[White_N]

Ukrainian media are spreading news about a chemical attack on Mariupol. Any information on that?

All I got was one funny Luka.

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Nice try vatnik, we know the score

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Not... really. I apologise, but this thread alone has people falling for American (and Ukrainean) propaganda hook, line and sinker. I've seen every newspaper out there from rags like "The Sun" to more reputable ones like "Washington Post" publish the most egregious lies and nobody is calling them out on it.

Just off the top of my head, a few days ago an Italian newspaper published an article claiming Russia is full of nazis and illustrated it with pictures of Tesak who 1) had been apprehended years ago and 2) committed suicide in his cell some time later. There has not been a retraction I am aware of.

I had never heard of Tesak before and looked him up and saw this on his wikipedia page.
" Following his release from prison, Tesak was unemployed, posted vlogs, and made a living by charging others for joining his "hunts for pedophiles" and for attending his lectures on life in prison, ways of shoplifting, as well as other subjects.["
I want to know what a lecture on the ways of shoplifting is like lol