incels, just like trannies, tend to overestimate how big their numbers are.
if 1/3rd of men were incels, we'd have a population crisis on our hands.
incels are growing in number, but it's probably less than 5% of zoomer and millenial men.
now MGTOW and redpilled is probably a significant amount more than 5%, probably still less than 15%
i was watching a louis rossman video and he referred to the concept of hypergamy in relation to rent prices and the comments were flooded with mgtow guys.
edit: i was watching a nick rekieta video and they were talkbing about statistics like 80% of woman would prefer a man who is about 6 feet tall, has a 6 figure income and has a 6 inch dick. the encompasses less than 2% of men.
No, no, that much is true, actually. A huge section of men are just sexually inactive. Women, too, to a slightly lesser extent.
I feel like you don't have much of a social life, so I'll give you the reality - if you are not presently in a relationship or a student, you will find it almost impossible to meet new people.
This is because Tinder and other apps are outright disturbing, effectively paywalling (male) users with an enormous cost to actually meeting anybody. As in, it is a marketed product which, in reality, limits who you can and can't talk to based off of what you're willing to pay. You will simply not be shown to the vast majority of people in your area unless you buy Gold or Platinum, both excessively costly. Since there's not a huge section of men who will happily pay almost £500 a year to potentially meet new, local people, easily 1/3rd simply go without.
For Tinder, as a somewhat attractive man in my mid-20s, if I make a Tinder account, I get 20+ likes/matches in an hour.
Then absolutely zero, nothing, not a single new like after exactly one hour has passed. And, like clockwork - Platinum subscription, suddenly, not only do I get more matches, the matches move closer. I have never had a single Like or Match from less than 12 miles away using a free account. As soon as I hit Platinum, I had instant matches, locally, within the hour.
turned out she lied about her height and dropped age-play on the first date, while performing oral sex on me, also on the first date. I promptly fled, abandoned my coat and deleted Tinder
incels, just like trannies, tend to overestimate how big their numbers are.
if 1/3rd of men were incels, we'd have a population crisis on our hands.
incels are growing in number, but it's probably less than 5% of zoomer and millenial men.
now MGTOW and redpilled is probably a significant amount more than 5%, probably still less than 15%
i was watching a louis rossman video and he referred to the concept of hypergamy in relation to rent prices and the comments were flooded with mgtow guys.
We do have a population crisis on our hands. Youth suicides are at the highest they've been for fuck-knows how long, and this is part of the reason. Poor employment prospects, basic socialisation privatised to the extent that you will, absolutely, not meet any new people if you live outside of a major city and are not a student without paying hand-over-fist for the right to talk to your own neighbours.
We do have a population crisis on our hands. Youth suicides are at the highest they've been for fuck-knows how long, and this is part of the reason. Poor employment prospects, basic socialisation privatised to the extent that you will, absolutely, not meet any new people if you live outside of a major city and are not a student.
i meant an immediate population crisis. if 1/3rd of young men weren't having sex at all anytime soon, in about 25 years, the population would sharply drop and age dramatically. how much would it drop? by more than 1/3rd because 1/3rd of lonely men means at least a portion of that would result in lonely woman as well. so the population would sharply drop by something like 45%. give or take
in countries with actual population crisises, like china or japan, it's nowhere near a 3rd of men. if it was, the government would probably do something crazy like spike young mens food with testosterone to counter their soy diets. heck china might make state mandated marriages a thing.
i meant an immediate population crisis. if 1/3rd of young men weren't having sex at all anytime soon, in about 25 years, the population would sharply drop and age dramatically. how much would it drop? by more than 1/3rd because 1/3rd of lonely men means at least a portion of that would result in lonely woman as well. so the population would sharply drop by something like 45%. give or take.
No, it wouldn't make for a 45% population drop by 2047. That's fucking retarded and you should feel retarded for making me read, and respond to that.
It would cause a reduction of births, a spike in youth suicides, lower ambition among youth, lower spending, lower investment in real-estate, excessive political extremism, higher drug use, higher NEET-dom...
A whole bunch of major problems, which are ongoing, barely masked by unrestricted migration in the millions to mask the current problem.
Which we are currently seeing, day-in, day-out across most of the Western world. This doesn't just affect men, but since women are the "product" and unlikely to pay for Tinder, which is now the primary means of meeting people among young adults.
Incels are just a symptom of this wider problem, a cult of inferiority as a protest against the very real, very dangerous conditions. Boomer-politik keeps trying to force Black Lives Matter, or Russia, or COVID - when the reality, and a harsh reality, is that almost all young men are two bad days away from killing themselves.
nigga, it's a combination of a 3rd of lonely men. plus some portion of lonely woman, plus the fact people that are having kids, are doing so below the replacement rate. also that replacement rate has to be higher than 2.2 kids because so many others aren't having kids at all.
nigga, it's a combination of a 3rd of lonely men. plus some portion of lonely woman, plus the fact people that are having kids, are doing so below the replacement rate. also that replacement rate has to be higher than 2.2 kids because so many others aren't having kids at all.
Why would you add the sum of both sexes as a percentage of the total? What kind of retarded maths is that? Please, show me how (15%x50%)+(30%x50%) = 45%?
Why would you add the sum of both sexes as a percentage of the total? What kind of retarded maths is that? Please, show me how (15%x50%)+(30%x50%) = 45%?
you know, my math was wrong, but not in the way you think.
when it comes to population recovery, it's like ram, the burden slows down the rest.
so if you have a slower ram stick than the other sticks, the system slows down to match it.
so if 1/3rd of men, don't have sex, the population drops by 1/3rd assuming nothing else changes. because it takes 2 people two make a child.
because what's the alternative, woman having multiple kids by different fathers?
if a 3rd of men aren't having kids, that means everyone that is having kids has to have more of them just to make up for it. so instead of about 2 or 3 kids per couple. it becomes about 3 or 4 kids per couple. now we know that isn't happening, meaning the population goes down even more than a 3rd. it gets even worse because as we can see from trends, the fertility rate is only going down over time, so a 40% drop isn't unrealistic in that situation.
edit: imagine the lasting effects of that. a 40% increase in those over the age of 65, a 40% decrease of studends in public school, 40% decrease in young adults in the work force. the economy would collapse without intervention.
Why would you hate a untouchable. You'll never see them or interact with them in real life. Unless some retard Elliot Rodger wannabe suddenly appeared in front of you, Just ignore them online unless they try to do some shit.
you know, my math was wrong, but not in the way you think.
when it comes to population recovery, it's like ram, the burden slows down the rest.
so if you have a slower ram stick than the other sticks, the system slows down to match it.
so if 1/3rd of men, don't have sex, the population drops by 1/3rd assuming nothing else changes. because it takes 2 people two make a child.
because what's the alternative, woman having multiple kids by different fathers?
if a 3rd of men aren't having kids, that means everyone that is having kids has to have more of them just to make up for it. so instead of about 2 or 3 kids per couple. it becomes about 3 or 4 kids per couple. now we know that isn't happening, meaning the population goes down even more than a 3rd.
None of this makes any sense. Is this some advanced "I'm only pretending to be retarded?"
Multiple women having children with the same men - already a thing.
No, population is dropping drastically, across the West - there are fewer white Brits born, now, than there were 100 years ago, same for Germans, similar for French. These are masked by foreign diasporas. The USA too, specifically, white Americans and Asian Americans are the two demographics most heavily hit by these problems.
Incels are a symptom, as are groups like IncelTear - the inability to form relationships. It is a fucking horrifying, dystopian reality that the ability to actually meet people and form relationships is now paywalled by private companies with no oversight whatsoever. The amount of social damage these algorithms are causing, presently, is without comparison - completely off-the-rails, uncharted territory.
All of these things are currently happening - there are two ways which younger people are still able to socialise, and those are education-adjacent and digitally-based.
I'm not aware of any type of academic analysis on what men find attractive which includes 12 year old girls, and it suggests that they are considered way less attractive than what is shown here or not attractive at all.
So if you are not aware of any, I think we can conclude "the science is clear" (until you can find something that says otherwise).
Most men can recognize that having sex with a child like you would with an adult could be physically harmful. Having a young girl sleep next to you could be somewhat arousing but it doesn't mean you have to do more or want to do more.
The first year of the pandemic comes into mind. No parties, all social events and gatherings were cancelled. That puts people at a huge risk of becoming incles. Also the reason why suicide rates are off the chart nowadays.
Incel rates are spiking because of the internet. I’ve noticed the rate of spergs and weird alternative kids have increased with each graduating class at my high school. The class of 2022 had way more furries and wrist cutting emos than the class of 2018 and 2019 did. Less and less kids also showed up to social events with each graduating class too (less partying, less people going to school dances, and less people coming to games) with each graduating class that passed. While most men still aren’t incels, eventually we are gonna reach alarming numbers if we do not do anything to remedy this situation.
Bear in mind, these numbers are likely lower than the true number. Both charts lack data from 2020 onward, so the effects of locking everyone in their home for a year haven't been seen yet. This also does not include the men that likely lied to save face, or the men that defaulted to "bisexuality" and transgenderism because finding men to fuck is usually easier.
Also the population shrink is a problem, as most first-world nations are importing the third world to keep the eternal growth Ponzi scheme that is our economy from collapsing in on itself. But it is hardly the main problem that the rise of incels points to. It's the lack of engagement with the system. As an example, in the US at least(and probably most other first-world nations), single childless men pay the majority of the taxes, largely subsidizing the infrastructure married families require. This was a fine system when the majority of people could be expected to marry and have children. But as it is now, we're essentially creating a subclass of people expected to pay into the system disproportionately and reap none of its benefits. It's not sustainable by any means, and you can expect it to start collapsing under its own weight within the next 20 years.
I’m just trying to look at the situation from both sides. I don’t think inceldom is all society’s fault. It all starts with the individual refusing to listen to any advice that’s given to them and unfortunately the way society is nowadays (the pandemic causing on and off lockdown and restrictions) (the rise of people being anti social due to the internet becoming more and more accessible) is increasing the chances of someone becoming an incel. None of those graphs will ever be accurate because they’re not going around to EVERYONE and asking about their sexual status and some people lie to save face. While inceldom may not be as big of a problem as a lot of people make it out to be, it’s still becoming more common. A flooded basement only starts with just a few drops. But like I said many times, if a lot of these incels would shower, hit the gym, lower their standards, and actually work on their social skills, their chances of being able to get some would increase. It just will just be harder for someone who’s not as physically attractive to get laid, but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible. A lot of incels think you have a zero chance of getting laid without escorting if you’re not a so called chad despite the fact that average looking men are far more common than these so called chads.
Fair enough. If the graph I cited is wrong then it's wrong. But even by your own admission, the number has almost doubled from the roughly 15% it's been sitting at for most of the graph's history, and it's shot up every single year since the smartphone released, and it's only five percent off the third that I mentioned the first time. Even then, all of the reasons I cited for why the graph is skewed still hold up, despite their unverifiable nature. And my point was never that this many men are incels. My point is that a lot fewer men are getting laid than before.
This is almost Snopes levels of missing the point. It's on par with the time the Drag Queen Story Hour president got busted for kiddie porn and they came out with "ackshaully he wasn't the president, he just sat on the advisory board so checkmate". I'm not sure why you're so determined to DEBOOOOONK this as a problem. We can sit here and argue percentages all day, but the fact that they've reached mainstream recognizability as a normie boogeyman and have been kicked off over 109 subreddits should be indication enough that this is a bit larger of a problem than a few losers that need to hit the gym and take a shower. And the solutions proposed by normies seem to invariably be as condescending and wrong-headed as telling homeless people to 'stop being poor'.
Even then, all of the reasons I cited for why the graph is skewed still hold up, despite their unverifiable nature. And my point was never that this many men are incels. My point is that a lot fewer men are getting laid than before.
