Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Calandrino]

"The Chick with Implants"

Oh, there's some woman with things on her face. You got my hopes up for a second.

 

[DavidS877]

Oh, there's some woman with things on her face. You got my hopes up for a second.

Yea, sorry for getting your hopes up, realized after I wrote that it might be taken that way.

 

[Captain Syrup]

But she's *B*lack with a capital B! What else do you need?

I would rather watch a Trek series starring the Harlem Globetrotters.

 

[Ishtar]

Trek works better as mystery/monster/conflict of the week as opposed to serialized TV. I get serialized television is how things are done today, but Trek works best in my view when a single episode can explore a concept, idea, or motif without being weighed down by an overarching narrative that must be advanced.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

It still needs to have a theme that works as a background. TOS/TNG was "exploration of space"; DS9 was "life/conflict in a space station", and Voyager was "lost in space/going back home".

What is exactly the theme in Picard? Or rather, which of the so many different plots happening at the same time is the theme of Picard? Robots?

Writing it down, I notice how bad at their jobs these people are. Older Trek shows have a premise that set them up and the episodes: "we are a starship exploring the galaxy and we found a planet where racism happens, so we're gonna solve it by using our own past history and our current technology and views."

STD and STP want all the subplots to be the premise of the show: "racism is bad, homophobia is bad, fascism is bad, fuck white men, communism is good, don't be fatphobic, yazz queen slay!, and Trump is bad!, and respect my pronouns... on space!"

ETA: had to rewrite the post, bc I accidentally the whole thing.

 

[Great President of McHell]

What is exactly the theme in Picard?

1) Violence
2) ???

 

[AnOminous]

Writing it down, I notice how bad at their jobs these people are. Older Trek shows have a premise that set them up and the episodes: "we are a starship exploring the galaxy and we found a planet where racism happens, so we're gonna solve it by using our own past history and our current technology and views."

TOS episodes were also generally written by experienced writers, and quite often, people among the best of SF at the time. Even the "best" of SF is currently shit for mongoloids, with very few exceptions, so possibly the talent isn't there, but apparently the motivation isn't either.

1) Violence
2) ???

2) Try to do better, sweaty!

 

[Ishtar]

A lot of modern sci fi is just woke tumblrs wjth literature degrees engaging in group masturbation sessions. The point isn’t to explore ideas or whatever-it’s “strong female character, le gay Hispanic fights de patriarchy” or what have you.

Hell the Hugo Awards are basically a woke female author mutual jerk off.

 

[Mike Stoklasa]

You guys want more lengthy duscussions about Star Trek episodes? I am rewatching Voyager now. We can talk about every way a warp nacelle can lock up and why every other episode involves the plasma injectors freezing. Quick! How many shield frequencies can you modulate before finishing this sentence??

 

[XYZpdq]

>oh boy onlines were discussing early weeb TNG, guess I'll drop some Cetacean Ops, lemme google image up some
>Lower Decks
you fucking fuckers

 

[Ishtar]

Speaking of Voyager, Prey remains such a great episode.

The viewer is clearly supposed to be sympathetic to both sides, though the fact there are six hirogen ships kinda does make Janeway come across as ridiculous more than compassionate.

Interesting to note that the Borg have something we might call prejudice? Animosity? Seven's attitude towards Species 8472 certainly speaks to such a lasting animosity.

Also when can we see a Hirogen security officer? Especially one as tall as Tony Todd?

That would be dope.

 

[Lithos]

I rather liked that Voyager had a little break with the monoculture with the Hirogen in that episode they had the little twerpy engineer that wanted to defect to Voyager.

Stuff like that and the Klingon scientist in the episode with the Ferengi's metaphasic shielding is good at highlighting that these cultures do have nuances.

 

[khaine]

Man, each week Picard becomes more and more of a struggle to watch. Its just so boringly bland and terrible. Its not so bad its fun to laugh at, its just shit. Why do I continue to watch it?

I'm 11 minutes in to Episode 7 and I already want to slit my wrists. Also, this is the second short episode, only running fro 35 minutes.

They love cribbing from Star Trek 4:

"I'm from Chile, I just work in outer space"

 

[khaine]

This show is so weird in its shitness. They reference obscure shit like Gary Seven and the identity cards from the bell riots, and yet they completely ignore the fact that in TOS they say they have basically cured all but the most crazy and insane people (TOS: Whom Gods Destroy).

Then Rios just completely abandons the prime directive and any preserving of the time line. I swear they writers must have to huff glue to make stories this incoherent and stupid.

 

[HarryHowler]

Trek works better as mystery/monster/conflict of the week as opposed to serialized TV. I get serialized television is how things are done today, but Trek works best in my view when a single episode can explore a concept, idea, or motif without being weighed down by an overarching narrative that must be advanced.

I think Trek can work as either, to be fair. TOS and TNG stand out as great episodic television, but DS9 and Enterprise worked better when they adopted more serialized styles. And I think Voyager's problems were ones that would have limited the show to okayish-at-best status whether it had been episodic or serialized.

Really, the problem is more with the "people act like assholes while trying to solve a problem/mystery for a dozen episodes, then everything gets a horribly unsatisfying wrap-up in the last episode" format of science fiction show, which goes beyond the Trek franchise and is something that seriously needs to fucking die.

 

[Ishtar]

This show is so weird in its shitness. They reference obscure shit like Gary Seven and the identity cards from the bell riots, and yet they completely ignore the fact that in TOS they say they have basically cured all but the most crazy and insane people (TOS: Whom Gods Destroy).

Then Rios just completely abandons the prime directive and any preserving of the time line. I swear they writers must have to huff glue to make stories this incoherent and stupid.

They're probably just checking Memory Alpha randomly to add stuff, both to fill out the script and as the barest sop towards fans.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Your archaic cultures are authority-driven. To facilitate our introduction into your societies, it has been decided that a human voice will speak for us in all communications. You have been chosen to be that voice.

I don't get how the Borg "queen" works. I thought the Borg were a single leaderless hivemind, and then there's a "queen"?

And why did they need to abduct and assimilate Picard if they already had the "queen" anyway?

 

[Uranus Pink]

They refuse to let the idea of Locutus go.

 

[Mike Stoklasa]

Man, each week Picard becomes more and more of a struggle to watch. Its just so boringly bland and terrible. Its not so bad its fun to laugh at, its just shit. Why do I continue to watch it?

That's the indoctrination. You barely even notice it.

I will hold your hand while they remove your genitals and rape your children. You will be happy. You'll barely even notice it.

 

[Captain Autism69]

I don't get how the Borg "queen" works. I thought the Borg were a single leaderless hivemind, and then there's a "queen"?

And why did they need to abduct and assimilate Picard if they already had the "queen" anyway?

It's really simple.
Once upon a time they wanted to make a movie with the Borg, and decided that having a single villian was easier than decent writing.
The end.