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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Putin was a paper-shifting bureaucrat who ascended by eating ass of his superiors, he's no spy

I've seen Putin's chauvinism and imperialistic ideas being attributed to this guy. Happened to hear him at work when a coworker played a video of his that people share in Odnoklassniki (he's a boomer). He talked about how Ukraine can't be independent by definition, that it has to be "reintegrated" back into Russia.
He's a straight up fascist.
Since you're seemingly Russian maybe you can help me understand more. What the fuck is up with the paranoia? Russian leaders act like paranoid schizophrenics and I don't understand it at all. They'll say that China is a huge threat to them but then turn the whole world against them because they don't feel secure unless they control the policy decisions of like 300 million people to the west of them. Shit makes no sense at all from a realistic perspective. If they're worried about China why not team up with the west to destroy that shit. Hell, Russia seems pretty well poised to take over for China as the worlds factory. Might not be as cheap but it surely would help the people. It makes no sense to me unless you assume Russian leadership is actually full of paranoid schizos.
 
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Dugin's said some really... interesting shit too, especially before he started pandering to dissident alt-right types. Remember this the next time you hear some /pol/tard say 'no Russian ever called me a racist!'
"It would be best to settle it with Chinese, Tatars, Muslims, all this Eurasian nomadism"
LMAO, so not only the current Russian ideology is anti (western) whites, they're actually pro-immigration. How could all the /pol/tards and western Russiaboos didn't realize Russia stood for everything they stand against
 
He's a national syndicalist and believes in actualism?
I dunno for me people like him are ultra-nationalist assholes and Putin likes the Dugin line of bs as there no need to worry about the de-facto replacement of hither-to low birthrate or migrating native Russians with ill educated central Asians. Sometimes with these political courtiers, they're blowing up the asshole of the Tsar or bossman, but Dugin believes his own nonsense, which suits Putin's map painting conception of nationalism.
 
he mentioned it had some issues with its CIWS systems, but that was a decade ago. He wasn’t too impressed.
What are the odds that 10 years later its in an even worse state? Anyone? Anyone? Yeah, I don't want to bet against it myself.
We’re sending M113’s, we can easily haul them by air and they’re perfectly fine for patrol duty or to flesh out a mechanized battalion with support vehicles. The battlebox is a solid APC if you treat it right, and remember it’s a taxi, not a race car
Its also a magnificent cargo hauler, and given how muddy that part of the world gets, loading up an M113 with food, medical supplies, and ammo isn't the worst use of one.
 
Putin getting himself surrounded with yes men is itself a pretty major failing of his. Happens plenty in the US and other places, but Putin didn't really have the ability to absorb the fallout (financially) from a fuck up the way the US could.
I often think about Michael Jackson and how he went from a slightly odd dude to full-on-howling-at-the-moon lunacy.

Not to go too deep into the weeds but I feel like we need other people putting the brakes on us in order to stay healthy as individuals.

Like you're at the bars drinking shots and your friend says, "Let's go to the beach and go swimming!" It's your job as a friend to say, "It's too cold right now. I've got weed and beers at my place; let's go watch Dune instead."

My question about NCOs was well answered, and thanks to the people who dropped some knowledge.

But looking at the absolute squalor the Russians left behind in people's houses, it looks like a bear broke in, raided the cabinets, and shit on the carpet. (Hell, I suppose a bear DID break in in a way.) I know my grandpa and great uncles did that in Europe during the war, where they went into houses recently abandoned by Jerry and drank their wine. But I would expect an NCO was there telling them to put their garbage in the trash can and for God's sake scrub the fucking toilet you absolute pigs.

Anyway, I don't know where I am going with this other than Putin is off the rails in a way that's not apparently rectifiable.
 
I often think about Michael Jackson and how he went from a slightly odd dude to full-on-howling-at-the-moon lunacy.

Not to go too deep into the weeds but I feel like we need other people putting the brakes on us in order to stay healthy as individuals.

Like you're at the bars drinking shots and your friend says, "Let's go to the beach and go swimming!" It's your job as a friend to say, "It's too cold right now. I've got weed and beers at my place; let's go watch Dune instead."

My question about NCOs was well answered, and thanks to the people who dropped some knowledge.

But looking at the absolute squalor the Russians left behind in people's houses, it looks like a bear broke in, raided the cabinets, and shit on the carpet. (Hell, I suppose a bear DID break in in a way.) I know my grandpa and great uncles did that in Europe during the war, where they went into houses recently abandoned by Jerry and drank their wine. But I would expect an NCO was there telling them to put their garbage in the trash can and for God's sake scrub the fucking toilet you absolute pigs.

Anyway, I don't know where I am going with this other than Putin is off the rails in a way that's not apparently rectifiable.
NCOs obviously are important, but fuck me if soldiers are professional then they would not do this en masse like the Russians have.

You are fighting a war, you are in enemy territory. If you do not maintain cleanliness you will get D&V, you will be ill and go man-down shit-paints. This behaviour is making them less effective, and in turn increasing the likelihood they will get killed, whilst also making the local populace increasingly hostile and giving other Ukrainians - esp Russian speakers - a reason to keep fighting.

It's clear that even Russian contract soldiers are barely professionals in the sense we use the term in the civilised world.
 
What the fuck is up with the paranoia? Russian leaders act like paranoid schizophrenics and I don't understand it at all.
Consider that Putin and his like got to where they are through political assassinations, it makes perfect sense to me. Communist chairmen are always the target for usurpation from adjacent party members, Mao was a target, Stalin was a target, ect. Mao, Stalin and Putin alike were smart enough to rebuff these usurpers, and that's because they know they have a target on their back. Why do you think it is that Stalin had people deleted from history? It was because those people were a political albatross that made the party look bad and gave the other party members justification to depose of Stalin.
 
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CONFIRMED. SCRATCH ONE CRUISER!
 
Russian MOD confirms damage to the Project 1164 "Moskva" cruiser.

I can't get Google translate to work on that shitty website, but it appears they are claiming that an ammunition explosion occurred on the ship causing serious damage. They have not confirmed what caused it in the first place.

I would say this is partially true, someone noted that it was assumed 4-6 Harpoons would be required to knock this thing out. The Ukrainians are claiming to have achieved it with only two Neptune's. Obviously, they're not the same, but hitting the ammunition stores would explain why they did so much damage with so few missiles.

Overall, this is close to fully confirmed. Perhaps Ukraine got out ahead of the story to make it look like their doing when it was really Russia incompetence... But I doubt it.

Russia getting clowned on.
 
Russian MOD confirms damage to the Project 1164 "Moskva" cruiser.

I can't get Google translate to work on that shitty website, but it appears they are claiming that an ammunition explosion occurred on the ship causing serious damage. They have not confirmed what caused it in the first place.

I would say this is partially true, someone noted that it was assumed 4-6 Harpoons would be required to knock this thing out. The Ukrainians are claiming to have achieved it with only two Neptune's. Obviously, they're not the same, but hitting the ammunition stores would explain why they did so much damage with so few missiles.

Overall, this is close to fully confirmed. Perhaps Ukraine got out ahead of the story to make it look like their doing when it was really Russia incompetence... But I doubt it.

Russia getting clowned on.
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No hate for the Russians

But seriously your leadership is demented. Russia has the potential of becoming a world power again if it were not so hell bent on fighting “the West” who has 40x the economic power than you.

Putin’s totally a clown. Russians need to clean up the Soviet remnants from their nation and breed a new generation of determined Russians to make Russia an incredible country again, not a drunken slop.

It’s sad, Russia CAN be good, but Putin and the Jewish oligarchs are in the way.

That’s why I don’t take a hardline stance on the Russian people, only their govenrment. Same with America’s awful government.
 
Russian MOD confirms damage to the Project 1164 "Moskva" cruiser.

I can't get Google translate to work on that shitty website, but it appears they are claiming that an ammunition explosion occurred on the ship causing serious damage. They have not confirmed what caused it in the first place.

I would say this is partially true, someone noted that it was assumed 4-6 Harpoons would be required to knock this thing out. The Ukrainians are claiming to have achieved it with only two Neptune's. Obviously, they're not the same, but hitting the ammunition stores would explain why they did so much damage with so few missiles.

Overall, this is close to fully confirmed. Perhaps Ukraine got out ahead of the story to make it look like their doing when it was really Russia incompetence... But I doubt it.

Russia getting clowned on.
Translated article (essentially the same information):

01:58 14.04.2022

Ammunition detonated on the Moskva missile cruiser as a result of a fire
Defense Ministry: Ammunition detonated on missile cruiser Moskva as a result of fire,

Missile cruiser Moscow - RIA Novosti, 1920, 14.04.2022

MOSCOW, April 14 - RIA Novosti. The ammunition detonated as a result of a fire on the Moskva missile cruiser, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
"As a result of a fire, ammunition detonated on the Moskva missile cruiser. The ship was seriously damaged," the message says.
The crew was completely evacuated. The cause of the fire is under investigation, the military department added.
Guards missile cruiser project 1164 "Moskva" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet. Built at a shipyard in Nikolaev and commissioned in 1982. It was originally called "Glory".
 
Translated article (essentially the same information):

01:58 14.04.2022

Ammunition detonated on the Moskva missile cruiser as a result of a fire
Defense Ministry: Ammunition detonated on missile cruiser Moskva as a result of fire,

Missile cruiser Moscow - RIA Novosti, 1920, 14.04.2022

MOSCOW, April 14 - RIA Novosti. The ammunition detonated as a result of a fire on the Moskva missile cruiser, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
"As a result of a fire, ammunition detonated on the Moskva missile cruiser. The ship was seriously damaged," the message says.
The crew was completely evacuated. The cause of the fire is under investigation, the military department added.
Guards missile cruiser project 1164 "Moskva" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet. Built at a shipyard in Nikolaev and commissioned in 1982. It was originally called "Glory".
The cause of the fire is under investigation.

The crew was completely evacuated.


My god, imagine being the guy who has the job of coming up the spin to put on these awful press releases for Russia. The nigga deserves a medal.
 
Ukrainians claims there is a storm over the sea, how quickly can you evac 510 people during a storm? (Black Sea can be pretty nasty)
No expert here, but the answer is: it depends.

How many life boats do they have, and what state they are in. Do these have radios or transponders to allow for their easy location?

It depends on what other assets are in the local area able to evacuate the ship. Is it in a wider flotilla or alone, does the flotilla have the equipment required for this?

How well are Russian sailors trained in fighting fires and deal with crises on the ship. Do they drill in utilising life rafts, at sea rescue?

The ship was hit by Anti-Ship Missiles. It's ammunition ignited, that fucking thing is going to be on fire, smoke will pouring out and it will be heavily damaged. There is ZERO chance that they have evacuated the whole ship.

Hard X to doubt. No doubt some sailors will live, but death toll is probably upwards of 100 minimum.
 
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