Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Scarlett Johansson]

TSS is fun tbh. The humor is actually great

 

[Ishtar]

Aliens in the ST are basically background furniture. That isn't to say SW was ever keen on alien centric stories, but the PT had a wide variety of aliens that did more than stand in the background.

Not sure exactly how strong the connection is, but I get the impression woke-ists don't really like the idea of non human characters in sci fi and fantasy-prevents the message from being central.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

Aliens in the ST are basically background furniture. That isn't to say SW was ever keen on alien centric stories, but the PT had a wide variety of aliens that did more than stand in the background.

Not sure exactly how strong the connection is, but I get the impression woke-ists don't really like the idea of non human characters in sci fi and fantasy-prevents the message from being central.

It’s hard to point to a definitive reason.

The story is focused on human characters and with the sequels being a retread of the OT, aliens aren’t going to be major characters and in fact aren’t going to be in the Imperial faction. We also have Kennedy’s demand for freaky aliens to be funny (which where did that come from?).

Live action models that are really non humanoid aren’t going to have a lot of mobility which puts them on the sideline for engagement with the story.

CGI was mostly for monsters/animals and speaking roles which is about as active as the aliens were in the sequels.

Given the circumstances, it would have been fine to have the aliens as background characters, but they should have been the aliens we know. Give a few Resistance guys a Rodian mask to wear or add in some more Mon Calamari officers. So might as well chalk it all up to laziness from Lucasfilm.

 

[Uranus Pink]

In a way Disney could have easily kept the OT Rebellion going through the ST if they reconned the post Battle of Endor EU and went with the Empire immediately getting its shit together after the Battle of Endor. The history of the Ottoman Empire dissolution, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and his group forming the Republic of Turkey. Is a template that could’ve used to milk those memberberries loving boomers and provide a sensible continuation from the OT. But alas that require research and reading about more dead Caucasians which JJ Abrams abhors doing.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

In a way Disney could have easily kept the OT Rebellion going through the ST if they reconned the post Battle of Endor EU and went with the Empire immediately getting its shit together after the Battle of Endor. The history of the Ottoman Empire dissolution, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and his group forming the Republic of Turkey. Is a template that could’ve used to milk those memberberries loving boomers and provide a sensible continuation from the OT. But alas that require research and reading about more dead Caucasians which JJ Abrams abhors doing.

It also requires telling a new story and not ripping off a New Hope or with Nu Trek ripping off Top Gun.

 

[Sneed F91]

In a way Disney could have easily kept the OT Rebellion going through the ST if they reconned the post Battle of Endor EU and went with the Empire immediately getting its shit together after the Battle of Endor. The history of the Ottoman Empire dissolution, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and his group forming the Republic of Turkey. Is a template that could’ve used to milk those memberberries loving boomers and provide a sensible continuation from the OT. But alas that require research and reading about more dead Caucasians which JJ Abrams abhors doing.

I also like the idea of a New Empire in theory but it still has the same effect of shitting on the ending of ROTJ like the sequels already did. The idea that JJ would do any historical research for Star Wars like George did is a joke considering that he didn't bother apart from the "Nazis went to in South America after WW2" thing for the First Order, but even that has no bearing on the actual plot.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

Why would you want RLM to stop reviewing Kurtzman Trek? I literally would not know how awful Picard is if not for their reviews, plus it's redpilling a whole generation of sci-fi nerds. Plus Jay's not involved so I can actually watch those videos.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

In a way Disney could have easily kept the OT Rebellion going through the ST if they reconned the post Battle of Endor EU and went with the Empire immediately getting its shit together after the Battle of Endor. The history of the Ottoman Empire dissolution, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and his group forming the Republic of Turkey. Is a template that could’ve used to milk those memberberries loving boomers and provide a sensible continuation from the OT. But alas that require research and reading about more dead Caucasians which JJ Abrams abhors doing.

I personally prefer the route that the EU went with; where after the Head of the Snake has been cut off (Palpatine, in this case), the remaining warlords like Thrawn, Zsinj, Jax and Isard have formed their own splinter factions--competing with each other and racing to fill the Emperor's throne.

This effectively reduces the Empire to separate terrorist cells with no unity and led by conniving hold-outs that all specialize in different things (Thrawn in fleet strategy, Jax in mastery over the Crimson Guards). Some come close, but none manage to thwart the growing New Republic government, and the Empire effectively surrenders and become a reluctant ally come 19 BBY.

This preserves the ending of ROTJ, creates a number of "Season One" enemies for Luke to test his fledgling Jedi Order against and for Leia to sharpen the NR against, while making the Empire still competent and vicious...albeit smaller, and on its way out.

And thanks to the eventual arrival of a brand new, devastating but narratively-intriguing outsider threat like the Yuuzhan Vong--not to mention the benign takeover of the Fel Dynasty--the Empire is effectively never revived as a major threat again, and only continues to be a force for justice and self-preservation for the duration of the timeline...as the Fel Empire from the Legacy comics showcase.

As with everything in Star Wars, the post-Endor Empire as written by the EU versus Disney are contrasted by one thing: writers who actually gave a shit.

It's amazing the difference that makes.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I also like the idea of a New Empire in theory but it still has the same effect of shitting on the ending of ROTJ like the sequels already did.

ROTJ ending shown the Rebellion winning one important battle. While the entirety of the Empire military might is still completely intact. Including Death Squadron minus the Executor and a few star destroyers still nearby. Which the original ending of ROTJ ends fits Orwell's quote of "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story." Although the Special Edition ending haves strong parallels to the liberation of France where most of the French couldn't be arse to do the fighting themselves. And only started after they been Liberated by the Allies including the Free French.

The idea that JJ would do any historical research for Star Wars like George did is a joke considering that he didn't bother apart from the "Nazis went to in South America after WW2" thing for the First Order, but even that has no bearing on the actual plot.

Why would the Imperials flee when they still control the entirety of the Empire.

@Mississippi Motorboater I would humbly disagree on how EU took it as it handed the Rebellion slash New Republic EZ wins in rapid succession and made the Imperials completely retarded while doing so.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

@Mississippi Motorboater I would humbly disagree on how EU took it as it handed the Rebellion slash New Republic EZ wins in rapid succession and made the Imperials completely retarded while doing so.

EZ wins in rapid succession? Over the course of 15 years? Wut? It literally takes another decade and a half to completely push the Empire into submission. Sure, there were some absolute low-level threats like Daala and Kueller (which I would tout to lackluster individual character-writing than a poor depiction of the EU as a whole), but characters like Thrawn and Isard took entire series to defeat.

I would also question what about the way Thrawn or Isard were defeated made them look "retaded", exactly. Because both were notoriously difficult to kill in their respective stories....often requiring maneuvering around their frustratingly-cunning tactical wiles.

 

[Ishtar]

The imperial war lords in legends were more than just “terrorist cells” they held territory and often had fleets at their command.

Of course they spent a lot of time fighting each other, and the NR’s strategy was to slowly advance and focus on one warlord at a time if possible. By 12 ABY the empire was reduced to a rump state that was basically the pentastar alignment and with the failure of Carnor Jax-imperial legitimacy ceased to be.

So from 12 to roughly 17 ABY or so it was a period of cold peace, and then Daala and Pellaeon launched a final campaign or so in 18-19 ABY that was a failure and then Pellaeon convinced the Moffs to sue for peace.

Thus ending a twenty two year war.

So the GCW sort of happened in stages with cold spells and other conflicts throughout-the Ssi-Ruu invasion, the whole Caamasi crisis, the Yevetha, etc… alongside imperial infighting.

To me this seemed an organic and sensible progression, the NR wins but it’s not due to one battle, it’s a decades long process that ends with Pellaeon(a fine statesmen in SW if there ever was one) deciding that the empire has to take the L if it wants a chance in the long run.

A chance that pays off a century later with the Fel restoration.

 

[The Valeyard]

Coomer moment

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

A chance that pays off a century later with the Fel restoration.

Damn right. We have the Fel Lineage to thank for the Imperial Knights--the merging of the Crimson Guard with Force Sensitive Combat tactics.

Which is one of the most novel creations of the EU, IMHO. They ooze all kinds of cool.

 

[Sneed F91]

I personally prefer the route that the EU went with; where after the Head of the Snake has been cut off (Palpatine, in this case), the remaining warlords like Thrawn, Zsinj, Jax and Isard have formed their own splinter factions--competing with each other and racing to fill the Emperor's throne.

This effectively reduces the Empire to separate terrorist cells with no unity and led by conniving hold-outs that all specialize in different things (Thrawn in fleet strategy, Jax in mastery over the Crimson Guards). Some come close, but none manage to thwart the growing New Republic government, and the Empire effectively surrenders and become a reluctant ally come 19 BBY.

This preserves the ending of ROTJ, creates a number of "Season One" enemies for Luke to test his fledgling Jedi Order against and for Leia to sharpen the NR against, while making the Empire still competent and vicious...albeit smaller, and on its way out.

And thanks to the eventual arrival of a brand new, devastating but narratively-intriguing outsider threat like the Yuuzhan Vong--not to mention the benign takeover of the Fel Dynasty--the Empire is effectively never revived as a major threat again, and only continues to be a force for justice and self-preservation for the duration of the timeline...as the Fel Empire from the Legacy comics showcase.

As with everything in Star Wars, the post-Endor Empire as written by the EU versus Disney are contrasted by one thing: writers who actually gave a shit.

It's amazing the difference that makes.

Considering how much older the actors were around the time they started making TFA, how would you go about having a new trilogy 30 years afterwards with a younger cast along with the OT cast while also having to fill in the backstory the audience missed?

ROTJ ending shown the Rebellion winning one important battle. While the entirety of the Empire military might is still completely intact. Including Death Squadron minus the Executor and a few star destroyers still nearby. Which the original ending of ROTJ ends fits Orwell's quote of "If you want a happy ending, that depends, of course, on where you stop your story." Although the Special Edition ending haves strong parallels to the liberation of France where most of the French couldn't be arse to do the fighting themselves. And only started after they been Liberated by the Allies including the Free French.

Why would the Imperials flee when they still control the entirety of the Empire.

@Mississippi Motorboater I would humbly disagree on how EU took it as it handed the Rebellion slash New Republic EZ wins in rapid succession and made the Imperials completely retarded while doing so.

idk, I honestly like the "and they all lived happily ever after" storybook ending of ROTJ even if it's not particularly believable.

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It's based on the most recent Lego minifig of Slave Boba Fett's Starship Leia.

If Disney could completely remove this costume from every version of ROTJ they would. It's so antithetical to everything modern Disney/Kennedyfilm represents and they can't fucking stand it but it's impossible to take out of the movie. It's hilarious. There's no female sexuality in any of their movies and no romance because it goes against the feminist message. Periods are okay though.

 

[Uranus Pink]

idk, I honestly like the "and they all lived happily ever after" storybook ending of ROTJ even if it's not particularly believable.

Honestly imho the original ROTJ ending was the best. To me "and they all lived happily ever after" storybook ending is what the OT heroes deserved. Just a matter when their part of the story ends and they can get that ending.

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

Not sure exactly how strong the connection is, but I get the impression woke-ists don't really like the idea of non human characters in sci fi and fantasy-prevents the message from being central.

Because even lefties back in the 60s and 80s knew that they can just make it an allegory about racism or whatever, not have it be actual non-Whites. These days, both their need for "representation" and anti-racism calls for them to add more non-Whites. We see this more with nu-Trek where many of the White guys are racist/sexist to HUMAN females/non-Whites. For season 2 of Picard, they literally went back in time to do more "White man bad" shit and drop almost all the aliens. We'll see if they ever go that for with Star Wars.

With the new takes on Star Wars with Disney and the faggots they hire, the Empire are now an allegory for "white supremacy". I always find it funny that these nutjobs never think how them saying this about SW, LOTR, etc. means that they see the humans in these settings as "White" and the weird, silly, sometimes dangerous and dumb aliens as "non-White" lol

Why would you want RLM to stop reviewing Kurtzman Trek? I literally would not know how awful Picard is if not for their reviews, plus it's redpilling a whole generation of sci-fi nerds. Plus Jay's not involved so I can actually watch those videos.

I wish they'd get over Trek the same way they did Star Wars. I find it more sad than fun to see them watch what they loved get raped over and over. At the small risk of causing the retardation that happened in the RLM thread when I said this there, I also just get tired of them dancing around reasons why (((Kurtzman))) is making these changes to Trek and how he can get away with it even though Trek has been one big bomb for years under him. Anyone else would have been fired long ago, but he gets to run like 3 shows.

Sorry to point this out, but no one is getting red pilled or whatever from RLM reviews. If normies have not learned by now, having Picard look at the camera and say "all white men should die to end racism and Black Lives Matter(TM)" will do nothing. RLM doesn't go "look what these (((far left))) guys are doing to Star Trek!" They just go "I don't like seeing current politics in Star Trek. I miss when they'd talk about both sides making good points...." It is funny that Mike was willing to make fun of Jews in his early stuff though and Jay was willing to say "fag" once and owns a "Irish Niggers" shirt lol

Honestly imho the original ROTJ ending was the best. To me "and they all lived happily ever after" storybook ending is what the OT heroes deserved. Just a matter when their part of the story ends and they can get that ending.

The old EU had a good story (for the most part) of what happened to all of them, but Disney couldn't have anything even half as good/happy as that happen.

 

[Creep3r]

Not sure exactly how strong the connection is, but I get the impression woke-ists don't really like the idea of non human characters in sci fi and fantasy-prevents the message from being central.

Disney drones all seem to agree that they hate aliens because they somehow undermine "real diversity".

These people are uninspired humanist idiots who have repeatedly said that they only want star wars to mimic real life rather than have fun or unique stories or even actual pulp tributes despite being a freaking SPACE OPERA and pulp homage set in an alien setting, not a historical or political retelling. Hence why you now have trans rights activism on Chandrila, 40% of the galaxy being queer and the new main reason people rebelled against the evil Empire being due to the outlaw of gay marriage and not because they committed mass planetary genocide, among other atrocities.

Aliens in the ST are basically background furniture. That isn't to say SW was ever keen on alien centric stories, but the PT had a wide variety of aliens that did more than stand in the background.

You forget there were comics and video games that also exclusively starred aliens or droids, especially after the PT came along and featured dozens of alien jedi in lead roles. Even Barriss Offee was the star of her own series of adventures before Filoni retconned her into a taliban wannabe in order to use her to protect his orange wife from George's desire to kill her off.

EZ wins in rapid succession? Over the course of 15 years? Wut? It literally takes another decade and a half to completely push the Empire into submission. Sure, there were some absolute low-level threats like Daala and Kueller (which I would tout to lackluster individual character-writing than a poor depiction of the EU as a whole), but characters like Thrawn and Isard took entire series to defeat.

I would also question what about the way Thrawn or Isard were defeated made them look "retaded", exactly. Because both were notoriously difficult to kill in their respective stories....often requiring maneuvering around their frustratingly-cunning tactical wiles.

Don't forget the years of hostile chicanery caused by that fat bastard Zsinj.

Because even lefties back in the 60s and 80s knew that they can just make it an allegory about racism or whatever, not have it be actual non-Whites. These days, both their need for "representation" and anti-racism calls for them to add more non-Whites. We see this more with nu-Trek where many of the White guys are racist/sexist to HUMAN females/non-Whites. For season 2 of Picard, they literally went back in time to do more "White man bad" shit and drop almost all the aliens. We'll see if they ever go that for with Star Wars.

With the new takes on Star Wars with Disney and the faggots they hire, the Empire are now an allegory for "white supremacy". I always find it funny that these nutjobs never think how them saying this about SW, LOTR, etc. means that they see the humans in these settings as "White" and the weird, silly, sometimes dangerous and dumb aliens as "non-White" lol

I wish they'd get over Trek the same way they did Star Wars. I find it more sad than fun to see them watch what they loved get raped over and over. At the small risk of causing the retardation that happened in the RLM thread when I said this there, I also just get tired of them dancing around reasons why (((Kurtzman))) is making these changes to Trek and how he can get away with it even though Trek has been one big bomb for years under him. Anyone else would have been fired long ago, but he gets to run like 3 shows.

Sorry to point this out, but no one is getting red pilled or whatever from RLM reviews. If normies have not learned by now, having Picard look at the camera and say "all white men should die to end racism and Black Lives Matter(TM)" will do nothing. RLM doesn't go "look what these (((far left))) guys are doing to Star Trek!" They just go "I don't like seeing current politics in Star Trek. I miss when they'd talk about both sides making good points...." It is funny that Mike was willing to make fun of Jews in his early stuff though and Jay was willing to say "fag" once and owns a "Irish Niggers" shirt lol

The old EU had a good story (for the most part) of what happened to all of them, but Disney couldn't have anything even half as good/happy as that happen.

Also you can't have the actual heroes of the story continue their bloodlines under Disney. They have to die out so the diversity hires and literal demonspawns can take their place and leave no lasting legacy so that the substitutes can hog all the glory. And they had to make them look like even more incompetent defeatists to boot. And all so Alan Horn, KK and JJ could do a crappy retelling with a more obnoxious self-insert for mass marketing appeal. Its like a variant of "if you kill your enemies they win" except its "if you do not surrender and let the spawn of your enemies overtake you, you lose".

 

[Cactuar King]

Even Barriss Offee was the star of her own series of adventures before Filoni retconned her into a taliban wannabe in order to use her to protect his orange wife from George's desire to kill her off.

This one I still find especially galling, how they twisted her out of character just so Ahsoka wouldn't have to die in Order 66. That really was one of the lowest points of that crappy series.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

Sorry to point this out, but no one is getting red pilled or whatever from RLM reviews. If normies have not learned by now, having Picard look at the camera and say "all white men should die to end racism and Black Lives Matter(TM)" will do nothing. RLM doesn't go "look what these (((far left))) guys are doing to Star Trek!" They just go "I don't like seeing current politics in Star Trek. I miss when they'd talk about both sides making good points...." It is funny that Mike was willing to make fun of Jews in his early stuff though and Jay was willing to say "fag" once and owns a "Irish Niggers" shirt lol

Maybe not immediately, but for some bizarre reason a lot of people respect their opinions and watch their videos. Eventually at least some of those fans might start to question why nuTrek is so bad and start to break free of the programming. Either way, I enjoy their discomfort, and they fully deserve every second of it after inflicting that Phantom Menace review on the world and getting JJ hired.

For Bruce!

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

Maybe not immediately, but for some bizarre reason a lot of people respect their opinions and watch their videos. Eventually at least some of those fans might start to question why nuTrek is so bad and start to break free of the programming. Either way, I enjoy their discomfort, and they fully deserve every second of it after inflicting that Phantom Menace review on the world and getting JJ hired.

I think Star Trek 2009 alone is why JJ was hired. And Star Wars was going to get raped no matter who the director was after Disney owned it. But like I said some pages back, I wish RLM would give some real closure to SW since that was what made them so popular. Mike and Jay are actually good at writing going by their opening monologs for their reviews, so they could make more thoughtful videos on the state of Hollywood or whatever rather than leave it to talks they have during movie reviews.

Most people that ever will "wake up" have. And when RLM make excuses for nu-Trek like "they just want to make Star Trek dark and edgy to appeal to younger people; they just don't get Star Trek" or whatever. They give copes to people that don't want to see what's going on. The spergy shit that happened in the RLM thread is proof of how much people rather sperg than just say "Star Trek is left wing". I can only image how bad it is with actual normies.