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Some pretty neat discussions have cropped up in the comments of that update, with another person calling out the skeeviness of the plot. Screenshotting them just in case.
Melanie Herring / Purplekecleon / PK / PapayaKitty / GlitchedPuppet / Ash Hazel Woods / Floraverse - Abusive, manipulative SJW artist whose ex-husband fucked a dog and teenagers and whose current husband thinks he's trans because of a TF fetish, admitted to fucking two dogs and letting her cat eat her out
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I hope more people call her out in the comments. That way she just can't blame on guy one 'not getting it'.Some pretty neat discussions have cropped up in the comments of that update, with another person calling out the skeeviness of the plot. Screenshotting them just in case.
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PK and Eevee both defending this shit is extremely alarming, and PK's words seem to hold some sort of passive aggressiveness. I may be looking into it far too much, and I'm surprised as to why PK wouldn't just delete it, but...
What about Marl? He hasn't said anything, and hasn't stepped in yet. He's the writer alongside PK, right? You'd think he'd step in with that threatening aura of his.
...Ugh, but that next page. Orobas is a disgusting character. A master manipulator that clearly just wants to fuck and go, probably only guilting Amdusias into "letting her help" so she could become a resident at her house and probably occasionally get her ass slapped every now and again.
...Maybe that's s slight exaggeration. But the bitch is still a rapist that's done nothing but toy with the emotions of someone that clearly doesn't know any better. I actually like Amdusias. She's the only one with an actual fucking personality and I feel bad that she's the victim of this magenta tower being shoved in her with a fuckton of guilt trips with it.
It's one of those times where I feel as if a character needs a better owner.
What about Marl? He hasn't said anything, and hasn't stepped in yet. He's the writer alongside PK, right? You'd think he'd step in with that threatening aura of his.
...Ugh, but that next page. Orobas is a disgusting character. A master manipulator that clearly just wants to fuck and go, probably only guilting Amdusias into "letting her help" so she could become a resident at her house and probably occasionally get her ass slapped every now and again.
...Maybe that's s slight exaggeration. But the bitch is still a rapist that's done nothing but toy with the emotions of someone that clearly doesn't know any better. I actually like Amdusias. She's the only one with an actual fucking personality and I feel bad that she's the victim of this magenta tower being shoved in her with a fuckton of guilt trips with it.
It's one of those times where I feel as if a character needs a better owner.
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I feel like it's a metaphor of how terrible PK is with relationships.
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Woah woah wait.
I'm starting to wonder if this is supposed to be like PK's and Eevee's first times.
The super long necked horse is quick to be upset, always has an upset look to her-- could be PK
And pool noodle dick horse identifies as a girl despite the dick (Eevee claims to have a fluid gender thing going on himself)
Eevee is defending Orobas' behavior-- saying that the Amdusias could only have sex if she was pushed outside of her comfort zone.
Remember-- PK knew these guys from a young age and they have been her sexual guides. I wouldn't be surprised if she was conditioned to think this is okay.
I'm starting to wonder if this is supposed to be like PK's and Eevee's first times.
The super long necked horse is quick to be upset, always has an upset look to her-- could be PK
And pool noodle dick horse identifies as a girl despite the dick (Eevee claims to have a fluid gender thing going on himself)
Eevee is defending Orobas' behavior-- saying that the Amdusias could only have sex if she was pushed outside of her comfort zone.
Remember-- PK knew these guys from a young age and they have been her sexual guides. I wouldn't be surprised if she was conditioned to think this is okay.
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Why aren't those SJWs on her ass for this?
aaaaaaaaaaand here it is
This is just blatant guilt-tripping and rape. There's no hiding it PK.Some pretty neat discussions have cropped up in the comments of that update, with another person calling out the skeeviness of the plot. Screenshotting them just in case.
Clearly this is "Something Greater". Orobas manipulated Amdusias for sex, emotionally manipulating her into thinking it's love only to pull the rug from under her and have the fucking gall to say Amdusias needs to back up on that making them together. Fucking really? That's horrible.
You say that they both want it, that they enjoy each other's company but you do a poor job to convey that in Amdusias PK, and you end up making Orobas unlikable. You're a poor story teller and it shows. Period.
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That, for me, sums up PK's failure very well.
Questionable content aside (she is a hypocrite for trying to sell it as something healthy instead of having the balls and admiting she likes the sort of thing), which I don't particularly hold against her (it's her SJWness and hipocrisy that annoy me, really), she is a very bad storyteller, and that's why her comics suck.
For someone who's so proud of "comics with character interactions" and "expressions" and "communication", PK sure fails HARD at conveying her messages. She really needs to work on dialogues and body language and just comic-making in general if she wants people to understand what the fuck she's trying to tell through her work.
I'm going to use this other example, though. I went back to and re-read the Turf Tigers comic and finally realized why I couldn't understand what was going on. PK's paneling and placing of dialogue and characters, and transitions between scenes, sometimes don't make any sense. Sometimes it's not possible to tell where the characters are located, who they are talking to, where they're looking at, or what they are going for.
For example, page 11, bottom panel featuring the trans-Tigers couple. Where are they looking at? Each other? Jacklyn? I don't know.
Then there's page 8, last panel. There's no action. How are the Tigers reacting to Jacklyn's proposal? A small "..." dialogue bubble doesn't say much. Also, that page suddenly jumpcuts to a crowd gathering and a TV show, but there was nobody there before? How do you suddenly transition to that kind of scene, unless you're trying to copy those silly anime comedy breaks?
There's page 6, terrible at composition and made a thousand times better by one Kiwi many chromossomes ago. It really looks like the characters are side-to-side, but I found out (after the correction) that they're actually supposed to be one in front of the other. It honestly changed a lot for me.
I think this is an important reason why her porn comic is going so terribly. If she needs to write a hugeass paragraph to explain what's going on (let's assume it's that and not some cover-up for her well-known non-con fetish), it's probably because the story itself and the illustrations fail at delivering. That kinda sucks for her.
I don't think Marl is involved in this particular comic (or most of the comics). When he is, he's usually credited and the work is a bigger thing.
Tell the admins you made a boo-boo and ask them for a name change if you feel needed.
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What especially wigs me out about PK's comment on the criticism is that she's basically saying "don't worry, in the next few pages you'll understand why this is happening/looks uncomfortable" but upcoming page I posted makes things worse, not better. Like, if that's what PK thinks is a "good resolution" to the issue... damn.
Also yeah I really like Amdusias, if no one else in the entire shitshow universe (well, Biff too). Just sucks she's being put through all this.
Also yeah I really like Amdusias, if no one else in the entire shitshow universe (well, Biff too). Just sucks she's being put through all this.
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Don't forget, Marl is smarter than little ol' PK and Eevee. It's been speculated and there is evidence to support that perhaps Marl groomed PK into a sexual relationship when she was a minor, and some of her behaviors are exacerbated because he is setting the example behind closed doors. This would especially be true if PK has a personality disorder in which she attempts to gain approval through emulation, and the speculated disorders would definitely cause this.
If Marl isn't saying anything, its most likely for "good reason." In this case, he is well aware this is all creepy rape fetish fodder and anything he says to defend it will only confirm that he is equally, if not more, fucked up and creepy.
I mean, this is the dude that has a secret skype behind PK's back so he can "discuss things he's not supposed to" re: fetishy stuff.
And I feel you about the wanting to take in Amdusias.
This whole thing is making me want to create my own spin on Ares Goetia demonology at the very least. Taking PK's whole "WELL IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT MAKE SOMETHING BETTER" suggestion I suppose, except what's sad and hilarious about that is when people do she throws a fit.
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And I feel you about the wanting to take in Amdusias.
I was planning to try that but not rip off the demons in Ares Goetia themselves because I would not do them justice (I do better using my own OCs).
Also yeah... Someone else has to reply to her and let her know she's wrong if she hasn't deleted the comments and erupted into anger yet.
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...These people are so fucked up. I never trusted Marl, even before the callout. I can't even respond properly because I can't formulate words that equate to what I'm feeling at the mere thought of what could have happened with that trio.Don't forget, Marl is smarter than little ol' PK and Eevee. It's been speculated and there is evidence to support that perhaps Marl groomed PK into a sexual relationship when she was a minor, and some of her behaviors are exacerbated because he is setting the example behind closed doors. This would especially be true if PK has a personality disorder in which she attempts to gain approval through emulation, and the speculated disorders would definitely cause this.
If Marl isn't saying anything, its most likely for "good reason." In this case, he is well aware this is all creepy rape fetish fodder and anything he says to defend it will only confirm that he is equally, if not more, fucked up and creepy.
I mean, this is the dude that has a secret skype behind PK's back so he can "discuss things he's not supposed to" re: fetishy stuff.
And I feel you about the wanting to take in Amdusias.
(And I actually have created a little mini story for Goetic demons. Furfur, Stolas, Beleth, Amdusias, and Asmoday have most of the focus. (Besides Lucifer, though he's not among the 72.) The Ars Goetia is still very much my passion. )
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@Luka Megurine , IIRC it was mentioned somewhere on her twitter that the long cat (Chasmaby?) was supposed to be Ganguro, to contrast the other one's Mod style.
The VN update was tolerable, but... having some background on the tigers just shows how fucking flat and lifeless her art got. The plot of having a huge dramatic fight just asks for some dynamic, action-filled shots instead of panels upon panels of talking heads. Sigh.
Also, more horses. Amdusias looks traumatized for life. Apparently, Orobas' tear-eyed love confessions = A-OK, but Amdusias making a logical assumption that she got asked out is enough to incur beanmouthed wrath.
Seriously, the fuck is with that face?
....WHAT.
NO. You know what I originally thought longcat (jasmaby I think) Was supposed to be? A weird fusion of Tropical inspired Mori girl and Dolly Kei, because their outfit is NOWHERE NEAR Ganguro, nor is the hair. Does she seriously think Ganguro is just 'lol brown skin and white/gold makeup'? Longcat doesn't even have enough makeup/markings to be considered Ganguro in the first place, because Ganguro looks closer to fucking clown makeup than what longcat has going.
As an example, here's a closeup of two Ganguro (more on the extreme scale with the makeup, aka Manba/Yamanba, but you get the picture)
No matter if you like the style or not (I personally don't) There are some very obvious visual halmarks to them.
1. BRIGHT NEON COLORS. A Ganguro's calling card is that she uses many, MANY different types of neons in her outfits, to the point that it kind of hurts to look at, intermixed with pastel accents or eye catching patterns. Notice how white isn't used in their outfits as a set color - that's to make people look more at their face due to the white makeup they're using. Even on the less extreme side of Ganguro, you never have your outfit be primarily white - the only time I've ever seen this mistake made is by foreigners attempting to copy the look and make people focus on their accent colors, which isn't the point of the ganguro style. As a side note, Ganguro do often pair themselves with tropical flowers / themes, but that's because bright neons are often used in tropical clothing, so it goes along with them - not to mention the fact that you heavily tan yourself to be a ganguro. That being said, it's very possible to do ganguro without having a tropical setup (and often girls that do that will chose white hair instead of blond).
2. BLOND (OR WHITE) HAIR,OFTEN WITH NEON STREAKS. One of the most noticable things about the style is that the hair is always dyed blonde or white (or the ganguro wears a wig with those colors if she can't dye her hair for whatever reason). It's to emphasize the entire outfit and frame the face and skin, as well as help the makeup stand out more. The streaks are always in bright, neonish colors to accent any outfits/accessories the ganguro uses. Often, hair will be tied up (you can see these two girls have their in ponytails/extra hair pieces for flair), but having your hair lose is a trend that's been gaining more traction lately.
3. BRIGHT WHITE/GOLD FACIAL MAKEUP SURROUNDING THE ENTIRETY OF THE EYES, FULL LIPSTICK IN SAME COLOR. In Yamanba (which these girls are) It's common to stick on little things like hearts or stars to your face. But notice how their entire eyes are outlined, and not just the top eyelid, even going down towards the cheekbones? Even in less extreme styles, you can see they still nearly cover the entire eye (and, for that matter, still wear bright clothing and have tanned skin, ect ect). You can also use other colors on your lips (like neon pink, orange, ect) so long as they're sufficently bright. Any type of Ganguro wants you to look at the face, no matter how hard you go with the white.
With this in mind, let's look at Jasmaby's design.
https://kiwifarms.net/media/56784925c9b6fba77f3a3871906f6a231e66e89bbb533d1d0d5a4baa3f75bb89.859/full https://kiwifarms.net/media/example1.858/full
There should be some things you notice right away. Such as:
- Where's the neon? There's absolutely no neon in Jasmaby's design. which is one of the core things about Ganguro.
- The makeup is entirely wrong. Her eyes should be outlined in white, and she should have much more intense lipstick. The thing is, ganguro makeup should be hilariously easy to do on a tiger species because they actually have black outlines with a white overlay. Some people have actually speculated the design for the ganguro facial makeup was inspired by tigers.
-Jasmaby is wearing a plain white dress - and as I mentioned, no ganguro would actually wear a white outfit because it takes away from your makeup and makes the focus on your accent colors, which isn't the point of ganguro.
-Her hair is primary tan/peach, with a little white at the bottom. You don't have to have streaks to be ganguro, but if you don't? Your hair is primarily one color, white or blonde. Two tone hair, again, takes away from the focal point (the face) and doesn't add anything to the makeup, while streaks or neon extensions are added to help with the outfit. The hair is supposed to be flashy, but not as flashy as your face or the rest of your outfit combined.
As I mentioned before, I thought Jasmaby was supposed to be a tropical inspired Mori Girl with hints of Dolly kei in there - because the whole aspect of Mori girl is 'to look like you just came out of the forest' and thus wear much more loose, casual clothing with earthy tones. Jasmaby doesn't look ganguro - she looks like she just walked out of a tropical rainforest, and PK would have had a MUCH better time saying she was a tropical Mori Girl and Dolly Kei to explain why she has the baubles and more intense makeup. But, you know, that would have required actual research into these styles and not just what she's seen through japanese media.
tl;dr PK is a goddamn hack who didn't even bother to look at the styles of the fashion she's basing one of her fiction species on and no one was surprised.
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And I feel you about the wanting to take in Amdusias.
Just looking through the Wikipedia articles for the Ars Goetia demons is pretty inspiring--there's interesting stuff in there, probably more if you go into in-depth research and all. I've started a shitty amateur story on the side myself. And now seeing how PK has butchered the names that she ripped off from it gives me even more motivation to kind of...do it justice, I guess. I always wondered why PK even bothered to use the names she did in Flora. There's not even a nod to the source material behind the names, they're hardly recognizable. I wonder what her reasoning was behind that.
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Of course PK lays off the neon the one time it would be appropriate.
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so, if you're nervous and inexperienced, the only options are to either have traumatizing, unenjoyable sex or not have sex at all! god, i shudder just thinking what it says about eevee and his attitude towards intimacy.
what the fucking shit is wrong with eevee? this comment is so fucking vile and skeevy. like, holy shit, it doesn't matter how stoic/grumpy/difficult someone is, IF THEY TELL YOU TO STOP any time during sex you fucking stop. people like amdusias are able to have sex after building up high levels of trust (by, you know, being listened to and respected) with a partner, not by being fucking manipulated and raped.
this is the same guy who confessed jealousy over someone's child molestation and defends child porn, though, so i guess none of this is actually surprising.
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It's good to see PK's usual tactic of using smoke and mirrors to convince her readers that her poor writing is their own failure to read isn't working this time. Not on everyone, at least.
Comics are a visual medium. If you've drawn two characters who are in a romantic relationship fucking, about to fuck, and talking about fucking for over 30 pages and still can't communicate "these characters like each other" you have done something terribly, terribly wrong.
100% unsurprised that it never even occurs to Eevee that maybe sex could happen for someone like Amdusias without being a coercive one-night-stand with a kinky weirdo acquaintance.
Comics are a visual medium. If you've drawn two characters who are in a romantic relationship fucking, about to fuck, and talking about fucking for over 30 pages and still can't communicate "these characters like each other" you have done something terribly, terribly wrong.
100% unsurprised that it never even occurs to Eevee that maybe sex could happen for someone like Amdusias without being a coercive one-night-stand with a kinky weirdo acquaintance.
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There's more discomfort on the Something Greater comic. This unsuspecting fellow has no idea what page is coming next. (Hint: It's exactly what he hopes doesn't come.)
PK hasn't replied to this one nor another that I couldn't quite understand, so I expect she will simply delete them with her text walls.
(And I'm tempted to share my takes on some of the Goetic demons, but I'm pretty sure that may be powerleveling/off-topic...?)
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I feel bad for genuine fans of this that are getting squicked because PK doesn't know how to tell a story. But on the bright side, if more people are catching onto this and getting the fuck outta dodge, then good. If enough fans flee the patreon, it could jumpstart PK into putting actual effort into her work again(*rates self optimistic*).
There's more discomfort on the Something Greater comic. This unsuspecting fellow has no idea what page is coming next. (Hint: It's exactly what he hopes doesn't come.)
PK hasn't replied to this one nor another that I couldn't quite understand, so I expect she will simply delete them with her text walls.
(And I'm tempted to share my takes on some of the Goetic demons, but I'm pretty sure that may be powerleveling/off-topic...?)
Secondly, if enough people in the thread want to start sharing interpretations and such of the different Goetic demons, we could always create a thread in Off-Topic for that, because it sounds like fun.
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I went ahead and archived the page as it currently stands, before PK does exactly that and just nukes everything challenging her.
https://archive.is/kzNps
Also. Eevee's implication that if you never have sex that you're somehow lesser or missing something crucial is... really offensive to anyone that's sex-repulsed or otherwise disinterested.
Like, say, an asexual aromantic? The hypocrisy here is something else.
https://archive.is/kzNps
Also. Eevee's implication that if you never have sex that you're somehow lesser or missing something crucial is... really offensive to anyone that's sex-repulsed or otherwise disinterested.
Like, say, an asexual aromantic? The hypocrisy here is something else.
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I remember when I liked her style. The soft colors and pleasing palettes in Seeds had been what pulled me in, but I backed out once everything melded together. It was depressing.
I feel bad for the fans as well, but it's good that PK is dropping in fans very quickly. Her trio is undeserving of them.
And I could create an Ars Goetia thread if enough people are interested. I think it could be interesting. (But I should probably finish my drawings of a few first, haha.)