Community Trendy Pregnancy / Snowflake Mommas and Their Batshit Birthing Practices - Because hospital birth is sooo last season

Dr. Amy the skeptical OB had a bunch of great articles about this stuff. Over time she did get a bit SJW in my opinion but she is almost always 100% right about this birth stuff.
Her articles were fantastic and informative then she got insufferable about not deathfat shaming and demonising thinness.

Seems to be a trend with the skeptics, they produce this amazing and informative work then go off on a tangent about some whackadoodle thing and alienate half their readers. Then bitch about the pushback.

Edit: le typos
 
Anecdote is not evidence.
The stats back you up.

From https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...port-cesarean-section-birth-rates/3943700001/:

"Since 1985, the World Health Organization has considered the ideal rate for C-section births to be between 10% to 15%. However, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports more than 31% of all deliveries in the U.S. were by C-section in 2018."

The US is notorious for it's high cesarean rate, but I don't know if you can chalk this entirely up to greedy surgeons—the population is less healthy too (compared to other first world countries), and obese and out of shape mothers are worse at pushing.
 
So this is the prequel to the Tard Baby Central thread?

It’s fucking retarded at this point when we’ve made so many medical advances so mom and baby don’t die, there are women in third world countries that would walk miles pregnant as fuck to a hospital so they don’t have to give birth in a mud hut.

But no, oxygen deprived brains at birth are NBD and neither is sudden hemorrhaging.
By the time EMT’s get there the baby is a brain damaged vegetable.

It’s so vain to put the “perfect birthing experience” over the medical safety of the child.
 
I understand the issue with c sections but then when you demonize them, you end up with people like Robyn and Luna. Women will do anything to avoid c sections and often at a fatal cost
Unless you’re in the UK. Sometimes begging doesn’t work (there’s more and more articles appearing about how fucked up some of the NHS trusts having been running maternity services and it’s heartbreaking reading).

I encourage people to get the no paywall extension and go read the Telegraph.
 
Maybe I am missing something, but why are c-sections being demonized in the first place? Isn't the point to get the baby out safely while (hopefully) not killing mom?
Cesareans are a pretty brutal surgery, and the recovery time is longer than a vaginal birth. It's not that uncommon that women get pressured into them too.

Its sort of a self fulfilling prophecy: cesareans were overused, with an awful recovery (sometimes the abs are cut open for uterus access), so these natural birth freaks have proliferated.
 
Cesareans are a pretty brutal surgery, and the recovery time is longer than a vaginal birth. It's not that uncommon that women get pressured into them too.
I get that and all, but if the alternative is a dead baby and/or mom I just don't see how it's that bad. Birth is rough no matter how it's done, and I would think surgery might be better than being torn from V to A. That makes me wince just thinking about it.
 
Those "target numbers" for c-sections are basically pulled out of an accountant's ass. If the NHS report has proven anything, it's that being slaves to numbers results in preventable injuries and deaths. Sure, they "saved" money in the short term, but they lost out on those peoples' future productivity down the line.

Basically, if you weren't there at that birth, you have no fucking idea if a c-section was "medically necessary" or not.

C-sections aren't de debbil. Bureaucrats with their fucking spreadsheets and power points in service of an ideological concept are.
 
I can see both sides to the c-section argument. I do think the US is over represented in csection births, but then again the US also has a very high percentage of obese, out of shape women who never did any sort of physical activity while pregnant,let alone walk around alittle each day to keep their abdominals strong for child birth. I dont know how to power level, but I never went to birthing classes, so when I was at the hospital and time to push, my doctor literally said push like you are doing a sit up.

You also have some women that simply never dialate, even when they try pitocin or a foley bulb. They may be physically fit enough for pushing but if your cervix never opens the only way that baby is coming out is through a csection.

Then finally you do unfortunately have some women who simply opt for a csection due to preference. I know at least two people personally who scheduled a csection because they were worried about tearing, and they were actually able to find doctors that would do it.

Im personally with the others who agree that as long as the baby and mom are alive and safe, do whatever you have to in order to get that baby out.
 
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Women with ideas like this about childbirth consider a C-section a fate almost worse than death. They feel that it robs them of the natural experience of birth and that ending up with a C-section indicates a failure. I'll have to look around for some quotes, but I've read things on mothering for words about how traumatized they feel by the C-section and how they feel they are mourning a great loss.

Sooner or later, this thread is going to run up against the concept of VBAC. As far as the woman putting her vanity ahead of the needs of her child, this one gives home birth a run for its money. The acronym stands for vaginal birth after cesarean. Obviously, the uterus is cut open during a cesarean, then stitched up. Healing takes place, but with subsequent pregnancies and childbirth, there is a much higher risk that the uterus will actually rupture along the site of the prior incision.

These women are so boo hoo sad about their prior cesarean that they view vaginal birth as an experience that will heal them. Vbac is possible and not uncommon, but also not encouraged. Anyone who attempts such a thing outside of a hospital setting deserves to have their baby taken away from them immediately, providing that mother and child both survived.

For the life of me, I cannot imagine what goes on inside a woman's head when she makes that kind of a decision. I guess that's because I can't ever imagine putting myself in the position where I would risk my child's life for the sake of hurt feelings.
 
Anecdote is not evidence.
Not to mention that very, very few women who have had a C-section will admit to themselves, let alone another person, if they feel it wasn't necessary. Going through a major surgical procedure with a long recovery time that sets you apart from idealized natural birth...unnecessarily? You think women are going to go around talking about that? Of course every woman you meet who had a C-section had to have it.
 
C-sections should only be done when necessary, but I'm also in the category where all the women I know who had them legit needed them. A c-section could've saved Luna from being a waterlogged potato. If the baby is in the wrong position, too big, etc, and the only way to get it out in a timely manner is c-section, then yeah by all means cut away.

Woo bitches who refuse to do things like get a c-section or feed formula even if there's no alternative shouldnt be having kids in the first place tbh.
 
Women with ideas like this about childbirth consider a C-section a fate almost worse than death. They feel that it robs them of the natural experience of birth and that ending up with a C-section indicates a failure. I'll have to look around for some quotes, but I've read things on mothering for words about how traumatized they feel by the C-section and how they feel they are mourning a great loss.

Sooner or later, this thread is going to run up against the concept of VBAC. As far as the woman putting her vanity ahead of the needs of her child, this one gives home birth a run for its money. The acronym stands for vaginal birth after cesarean. Obviously, the uterus is cut open during a cesarean, then stitched up. Healing takes place, but with subsequent pregnancies and childbirth, there is a much higher risk that the uterus will actually rupture along the site of the prior incision.

These women are so boo hoo sad about their prior cesarean that they view vaginal birth as an experience that will heal them. Vbac is possible and not uncommon, but also not encouraged. Anyone who attempts such a thing outside of a hospital setting deserves to have their baby taken away from them immediately, providing that mother and child both survived.

For the life of me, I cannot imagine what goes on inside a woman's head when she makes that kind of a decision. I guess that's because I can't ever imagine putting myself in the position where I would risk my child's life for the sake of hurt feelings.
I remember about a decade and a half ago following stories of women trying unassisted VBAC in the crunchy circles I was following at the time. I was horrified at the idea.
 
At least in the US, having surgery done at home was a massive status symbol as the doctor, an incredibly wealthy person, would be coming to you. One my grandfather knew pretty much had a fleet of fancy cars he'd gotten situations where he'd flown out to the middle of bumfuck nowhere to save some rich kids life and made off like a bandit.

I learned about this in Colonial History class. Early hospitals were mostly where people went to die and where poor people went because they could not afford doctors to do procedures at home. Back then your home was likely cleaner than a hospital. Rich people avoided hospitals because they were full of dying, diseased people. In that case giving birth at home might be a bit safer than pushing out a baby in the same ward as Meningitis Myrtle.

But things are different now. Hospitals have to follow sterility procedures. And there's more tech now in case something goes wrong.
 
I learned about this in Colonial History class. Early hospitals were mostly where people went to die and where poor people went because they could not afford doctors to do procedures at home. Back then your home was likely cleaner than a hospital. Rich people avoided hospitals because they were full of dying, diseased people. In that case giving birth at home might be a bit safer than pushing out a baby in the same ward as Meningitis Myrtle.

But things are different now. Hospitals have to follow sterility procedures. And there's more tech now in case something goes wrong.
There was a period where "modern medicine" was so destructive and intertwined with mysticism that is has caused mass hysteria and distrust of hospitals for generations. Of course the insane treatments of then "modern medicine" are the "natural" or "mystic" alternative medicines of today. And modern medicine has progressed massively. Overall the problem now is that there is a very real current trend of modern medicine being almost exclusively tested and designed for men, which leaves many women doubting their medical professionals. My girlfriend told me a story where she noticed her doctor had left his computer open in the room and she noticed he had googled basic info about the uterus while talking to her. It certainly doesn't inspire confidence.

Now obviously dolphin birth is an absolutely insane jump to make but, i can understand the mistrust if doctors developing and the want or need for simple folksy remedies.
 
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