Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[capitalBBustard]

I think this marks the turning point of the thread.

Until now: "Ukranny stronk, Vatnikum embarrasment" vs "no, hohol's losing"
From now: "Ukranny stronk, Vatnikum embarrasment" vs "no, hohol's losing"

Very turning point indeed.

 

[WWE Champion]

I think this marks the turning point of the thread.
We are now at the point where we're seriously arguing about whether or not losing a warship matters in a war.

especially one of their most expensive ones besides from a carrier, lol

 

[KonradCruise]

Until now: "Ukranny stronk, Vatnikum embarrasment" vs "no, hohol's losing"
From now: "Ukranny stronk, Vatnikum embarrasment" vs "no, hohol's losing"

Very turning point indeed.

I guess you haven't read beyond page 1382

 

[UVB-76]

Until now: "Ukranny stronk, Vatnikum embarrasment" vs "no, hohol's losing"
From now: "Ukranny stronk, Vatnikum embarrasment" vs "no, hohol's losing"

Very turning point indeed.

More like "ahaha Ukrainians believe in the Ghost of Kevin" to "we didn't even want that warship anyway"

 

[76LD910]

It was a 40 year old ship that most likely malfunctioned,

We have destroyers and cruisers that are 40 years old in service still, its not old for a post WW2 ship. Nothing stops you from putting newer systems on an old ship.

lol "malfunctioned". That's cope code word for "A shitty Russian AA system has once again failed at its only job"

but even if the Ukrainians had actually attacked it,

Because warships operating in the vicinity of a hostile power your at war with tend to just sink for no reason at all, happens all the time.

Are you seriously entertaining the notion that the Ukrainians didn't hit the ship ? Even with them saying they did before the Russians said anything at all ?

it means almost nothing in terms of the actual conflict,

So what is the long term plan for dealing with the fact that Ukraine has a credible anti-ship capability that potentially extends all the way to Sevastopol ?

I doubt precision strikes are going to be able to neutralize the threat. There's going to have to be a lot more "de-militarization" outside the boundaries of Donbass for a long term solution to be worked out by force.

it hadn't been used in combat and this event isn't going to harm the Russian's ability to wage the war.

I'm fairly certain its radar and AA systems were being used, or at least they were trying to use them.

There weren't even any casualties, all of the sailors were evacuated.

I understand there's ample misinformation coming from every angle in this war, but you are practically deep throating the Russian side if you believe this ship took an anti-ship missile equivalent to a Harpoon and suffered zero casualties.

Why in the fuck would you just accept that claim at face value ?

What's actually embarrassing is having thousands of your soldiers surrender which is what is happening to the holols.

Thousands surrendered after holding off for weeks and many times that number continue to hold elsewhere.

This war will last a long time.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

More like "ahaha Ukrainians believe in the Ghost of Kevin" to "we didn't even want that warship anyway"

I'm sure the Russians aren't happy about it, it is embarrassing, all I said was that it's not going to effect the outcome of the war which is what the narrative in the west is.

 

[Fougaro]

This war will last along time.

 

[Techpriest]

By the way, the Moskva was specifically part of a documentary the Russians did about how they were modernizing their military. The plan was to keep the Moskva in service until 2040.

 

[draggs]

I'm sure the Russians aren't happy about it, it is embarrassing, all I said was that it's not going to effect the outcome of the war which is what the narrative in the west is.

No, you said "this event isn't going to harm the Russian's ability to wage the war" and now you've changed it to "it's not going to effect the outcome of the war."

 

[Simpadoo]

I've only had experience with Indians, if Chinese are the same then there is nothing to worry about. I don't know what it is, they just seem incapable of thinking independently. Any mechanical, electrical engineering boards are populated with curry niggers asking how to do the job they are supposed to be qualified to do. Academically it's just plagiarism all the way down.

They are as good at politics as the Jew. In that regard, the higher ups find it difficult to discover their ineptitude, hence the seeming genius of the chink.

 

[Elbereth]

Russian army, according to this thread

I'm 100% sure that destroying Russian warships, only makes Russia stronger!

 

[Margo Martindale]

Assuming that the Moskva was actually hit by an anti ship missile, my bet it was one of these deployed from a mobile launcher. Its a relatively modernised design so probably had a chance of getting through the Moskvas defenses

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-360_Neptune

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I think this marks the turning point of the thread.
We are now at the point where we're seriously arguing about whether or not losing a warship matters in a war.

If it was a corvette or destroyer, the cope would have a point. But the damn thing was A. A cruiser and more importantly B. The fucking Flagship of the Black Sea fleet, and since Turkey is not allowing any warships in or out of the Black Sea, Russia is completely incapable of replacing it.

Is it a complete turning point like Midway or Stalingrad? No, but it definitely could give Ukraine an edge in the regions around Odessa, Mykolaiv, and Kherson as that's where it was providing support.

It was a 40 year old ship that most likely malfunctioned, but even if the Ukrainians had actually attacked it, it means almost nothing in terms of the actual conflict, it hadn't been used in combat and this event isn't going to harm the Russian's ability to wage the war. There weren't even any casualties, all of the sailors were evacuated. What's actually embarrassing is having thousands of your soldiers surrender which is what is happening to the holols.

I don't think saying that is a good look. Losing a fucking Flagship of a Fleet to your own stupidity or incompetence is fucking pathetic. If anything you WANT to say "The enemy sunk the ship" instead of "We were so incompetent in basic safety measures we sunk it ourselves."

 

[draggs]

Moody's says Russia has 20 days to avoid bond default

 

[Techpriest]

Assuming that the Moskva was actually hit by an anti ship missile, my bet it was one of these deployed from a mobile launcher. Its a relatively modernised design so probably had a chance of getting through the Moskvas defenses

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-360_Neptune

Any sea skimmer could have done the job on her if this was a well done strike. Also, the Neptune isn't really super modern, it's a modification of the existing Kh-35 "Switchblade/Harpoonski" to extend range and upgrade the electronics.

 

[Peter Piper]

I, for one, will gladly fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian. Spending a few billions is chump change and great bang for the buck.

The last 2 weeks, yuuuge amounts of heavy weapons have been streaming into Ukraine and more will come. Notability among the last Yankee handouts was 300 Switchblade systems (10 pieces pr. system). Those will really help the Russians clean out their old Cold War stores of shit hardware.

Creating a nation that harbor a genocidal hatred towards Russians, armed to the teeth, next to its borders. It's possibly one of Rabbi Putinowich's greatest 4D chess moves ever.

 

[Karakhalkin-Gol]

A cruiser got damaged/sunk? During a war?! Whoa, better get this shit to the media, The public need to know about this!

Seriously, why are people treating this as a gotcha moment for Russia?

 

[Margo Martindale]

A cruiser got damaged/sunk? During a war?! Whoa, better get this shit to the media, The public need to know about this!

Seriously, why are people treating this as a gotcha moment for Russia?

Its been a while since a cruiser has been sunk in a war, so either way its a rather historic event

 

[WWE Champion]

I'm sure the Russians aren't happy about it, it is embarrassing, all I said was that it's not going to effect the outcome of the war which is what the narrative in the west is.

Was only the flagship of the black sea fleet which was able to defend the other ships and the shore, but yeah, totally unimportant and Russia will build a new one next week. It was basically just an old T-55, actually, this is good for Russia because now they don't have to pay a corrupt official for the crew and the logistics of the ship. It is actually an economic win which liberated more of the russian budget to build garbage trucks to transport the infantry. Plus the sailors which survived can now go to Donbass and die, which also frees up more budget.

 

[White_N]

Sea gypsies are on the prowl